2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by Onions

There are hundreds of viruses that cause cold and flu like symptoms. Many mutate quickly.

Influenza mutates quickly as well, its why we need to take yearly vaccinations for it.

From the articles I have read CV19 mutates pretty slowly, so hopefully that allows us better vaccine performance.

Herd immunity is possible without a vaccine. It just won't be pleasant.

Herd immunity is possible - however that is a generational thing (before vaccines). Herd immunity is not a 5-10 month thing.

As for Covid - yes, it is mutating slowly - however, so far there are 6 known strains (or mutations) - these may not impact the host adversely - but they are there and every mutation has a chance to mutate differently than other strain.
We take a flu shot exactly due to this - and the flu shot is immunity against the previous years flu - as the flu mutates as it spreads around the world.

[Onions]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tod...amp/tdna190764

Very rare, thankfully. There is also some talk of lasting immunity through T cell memory.

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Not sarcastic. Lots of jobs available out there. Nobody should be getting handouts anymore.

the problem really happened with the lockdowns, thats what completely screwed the pooch, initially i understand it was necessary in the beginning to try and alleviate the flood of people into the hospitals before we had a handle on things. But for Pelosi to try and get all this money to help (mostly democratic run) states that are now broke because they mis-managed their states funds (aka into pockets of the high ranking politicians) will never teach them it'll just keep happening if they were to bail them out.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by pejc300

This is always such a strange answer to me. Like, really strange. Yes, the 3,500 people who have died are "real" people. Just like "real" people die every day, form all kinds of things.



I'm probably derailing the convo at this point. I think anyone who says "what if it was your grandmother!" isn't really interested in a conversation. Your post essentially attempted to alert everyone to how frightening Covid is in your area. It amounted to .1% of people who have died in your city/county. Not a lot. But, yes, real people for sure.



For the record, my grandma is 95. If she dies of Covid it will be really sad, but probably not unexpected.

Let's look at it another way. In the city of Miami alone, where Covid has been nasty, about 0.25% of the entire population has died from Covid in about the last 7 months or so. That's not 0.25% of Covid cases, it's 0.25% of everyone in the city of Miami.

If that percentage held nationwide as more communities got hit harder (and nobody else here died in the future), that would equate to almost a million people. That's more people than have died fighting for this country in every war we ever fought combined. It's not a small number.

Go ahead, ignore it. Bury your neighbors and whatnot. That's what people here are doing. Better yet, open a funeral home. You'll do well.

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[Onions]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Herd immunity is possible - however that is a generational thing (before vaccines). Herd immunity is not a 5-10 month thing.

As for Covid - yes, it is mutating slowly - however, so far there are 6 known strains (or mutations) - these may not impact the host adversely - but they are there and every mutation has a chance to mutate differently than other strain.
We take a flu shot exactly due to this - and the flu shot is immunity against the previous years flu - as the flu mutates as it spreads around the world.

I'm pretty sure they are vaccinating with current flu strains, and attempting to predict what the most prominent strain will be. When they guess wrong, we lose 60k-80k people instead of 30k. No one bats an eye.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

I get the way you did this - however, you can not put the total population in to the denominator as the entire population DID not have covid.
It can only be calculated by Deaths / total infections counted

What? You can't know all of the people that DID have it and didn't get tested (and judging by how many people have died, were probably not greatly affected).

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

So any more Q Anon nuts in here? Now that the dude who used to spew all the crazy Q stuff is gone (maybe he finally realized how absurd it all was), I don't laugh nearly as much when viewing this thread.

There were at least two of them, and I wouldn't count on it.
Those guys were committed.
(Well, maybe not committed committed, but you know what I mean.)

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Too bad it doesn’t pertain to trimmed cards.

You know, real problems.

Trump could trim a card on all 4 edges and then sell that card to an unknowing buyer right in front of the corned one, and he wouldn't say anything other than "Nice sale, sir!".

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

While I appreciate your perspective, this will end with herd immunity. The more young/healthy people in your community to contract the virus, including yourself, the better.

If COVID hasn't taken hold in your area yet, it will. Let it.

Dr. Chaps will see you now.

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Let's look at it another way. In the city of Miami alone, where Covid has been nasty, about 0.25% of the entire population has died from Covid in about the last 7 months or so. That's not 0.25% of Covid cases, it's 0.25% of everyone in the city of Miami.

If that percentage held nationwide as more communities got hit harder (and nobody else here died in the future), that would equate to almost a million people. That's more people than have died fighting for this country in every war we ever fought combined. It's not a small number.

Go ahead, ignore it. Bury your neighbors and whatnot. That's what people here are doing. Better yet, open a funeral home. You'll do well.

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What do you propose we do about it? Countries all over the world are seeing large spikes and having very similar issues as US. Many of these countries locked down sooner and longer and had more strict mask mandates. So clearly those actions are not working. Everyone keeps talking about how bad it is and how Trump has screwed us all yet nobody in the world seems to have an answer. Trump is on the verge of having multiple vaccines done in a record time frame. Along with several therapeutic treatments. Not sure why everyone is so angry at his response to something that no one in the world has ever seen or dealt with before??

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[oldgoldy97]

Lol. All I can picture now is Trump in a scientist’s lab coat mixing stuff together and blowing himself up.

Yeah, TRUMP is doing lots of science stuff

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Lol. All I can picture now is Trump in a scientist’s lab coat mixing stuff together and blowing himself up.

Yeah, TRUMP is doing lots of science stuff

[Astros19]

Everybody whining but like the experts, have no solutions.

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[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Let's look at it another way. In the city of Miami alone, where Covid has been nasty, about 0.25% of the entire population has died from Covid in about the last 7 months or so. That's not 0.25% of Covid cases, it's 0.25% of everyone in the city of Miami.

If that percentage held nationwide as more communities got hit harder (and nobody else here died in the future), that would equate to almost a million people. That's more people than have died fighting for this country in every war we ever fought combined. It's not a small number.

Go ahead, ignore it. Bury your neighbors and whatnot. That's what people here are doing. Better yet, open a funeral home. You'll do well.

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Where did you get these numbers?

0.0059000199 percentage of deaths all of Florida against Miami Dade County population. No way in hell your numbers are close.

Miami city percentage 0.0341907373 based on total Florida deaths against Miami city population.

[yanksfan1]

What's the Over/Under on votes cast before election day? 80M? We're approaching 25M already

[IgnatiusJReilly]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

Where did you get these numbers?

0.0059000199 percentage of deaths all of Florida against Miami Dade County population. No way in hell your numbers are close.

Miami city percentage 0.0341907373 based on total Florida deaths against Miami city population.

That’s a lot of sig figs.

As of today there have been 3520 deaths in Miami Dade against a population of 2.7 million. That’s 0.13%, which is smaller than the other number (same order of magnitude) but way bigger than yours. That’s really terrible and about twice that of the whole US (0.06%).


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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

Where did you get these numbers?

0.0059000199 percentage of deaths all of Florida against Miami Dade County population. No way in hell your numbers are close.

Miami city percentage 0.0341907373 based on total Florida deaths against Miami city population.

Huh? Lol. The numbers are accurate. Miami is the hotspot of Florida. Bury your head in the sand if you want.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

What do you propose we do about it? Countries all over the world are seeing large spikes and having very similar issues as US. Many of these countries locked down sooner and longer and had more strict mask mandates. So clearly those actions are not working. Everyone keeps talking about how bad it is and how Trump has screwed us all yet nobody in the world seems to have an answer. Trump is on the verge of having multiple vaccines done in a record time frame. Along with several therapeutic treatments. Not sure why everyone is so angry at his response to something that no one in the world has ever seen or dealt with before??

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My comments were nonpartisan. I am not praising one party or the other about this. I'm just saying what happened here.

The answer? I don't know. Something different than what we did.

All I'm saying is that this shyt is serious. If it spreads to your neighborhood like it did mine, be prepared to bury a lot of people. That's all I'm saying. Do with that what you will.


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[JustRachel]

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[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by rman112

What? You can't know all of the people that DID have it and didn't get tested (and judging by how many people have died, were probably not greatly affected).

Don't forget all the people who died with it, but not FROM it. It seems to be lost on a good amount of people in this thread. Just because someone dies WITH it doesn't mean its actually why they died.

Perhaps if our society as a whole took better care of themselves there would be far less to worry about.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

What do you propose we do about it? Countries all over the world are seeing large spikes and having very similar issues as US. Many of these countries locked down sooner and longer and had more strict mask mandates. So clearly those actions are not working. Everyone keeps talking about how bad it is and how Trump has screwed us all yet nobody in the world seems to have an answer. Trump is on the verge of having multiple vaccines done in a record time frame. Along with several therapeutic treatments. Not sure why everyone is so angry at his response to something that no one in the world has ever seen or dealt with before??

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Plenty of asian countries have handled the pandemic response well.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Plenty of asian countries have handled the pandemic response well.

Would be nice if China was one of them.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Plenty of asian countries have handled the pandemic response well.

Curious what those countries you speak of obesity rates are?

Not sure how well it correlates with countries that were hit harder than others as I am sure there are other factors such as population density and hospital care quality. At first glance most of the Asian countries I looked at have some of the lowest obesity rates compared to North American and Europe. Sub 8% compared to 20+%.

Edit: https://obesity.procon.org/global-obesity-levels/

[Onions]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Plenty of asian countries have handled the pandemic response well.

Maybe they already have some level of immunity from various other SARS viruses that made the rounds over there? Just a guess. Nothing seems to slow this one down.

[arek]

It's not herd immunity. I'm in Asia and I see a different mindset among the majority of the population. If you want to travel on an airplane, this is what you're given to wear. Before you fly, you have to register with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and be granted permission to travel. I imagine that if this was in the US, there would be more passengers complaining about their rights as an individual.

[Onions]

Originally Posted by arek

It's not herd immunity. I'm in Asia and I see a different mindset among the majority of the population. If you want to travel on an airplane, this is what you're given to wear. Before you fly, you have to register with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and be granted permission to travel. I imagine that if this was in the US, there would be more passengers complaining about their rights as an individual.

Amazing picture! Is airline travel considered a high risk? How open is everything over there?

Maybe we need to go tyvek suits, double masks, and gloves over here too. IDK

Locally I see 90% of people wearing masks and we are setting records almost daily for infections.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

My comments were nonpartisan. I am not praising one party or the other about this. I'm just saying what happened here.

The answer? I don't know. Something different than what we did.

All I'm saying is that this shyt is serious. If it spreads to your neighborhood like it did mine, be prepared to bury a lot of people. That's all I'm saying. Do with that what you will.


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2 more weeks, right? I live in Alabama, the world of no mask wearing, I haven't seen this play out at all.