2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[GoTribe!!!]

Well most aren't. Their very first act is to break our laws, hence the term illegal alien. So from the get go, they have proven themselves as someone who places no value on US law just to get what they want.

[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by HillbillyCletus

So we're working under the assumption that the "people from southern states" are indeed legal citizens, correct?

Sure. Does it matter? If you call someone dumb (for example), it's an insult, regardless of whether they are illegal immigrants.


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[HillbillyCletus]

Frankly, I believe some people are good and some people are bad. By me saying "I believe some people are good", it does not automatically mean I believe "most" to be bad, but I suppose it just depends on how you want to look at it.

[HillbillyCletus]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

Sure. Does it matter? If you call someone dumb (for example), it's an insult, regardless of whether they are illegal immigrants.


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Yes, it does matter. In the example of Trump calling illegal immigrants "criminals", I don't understand what is so heinous about that term. Illegality = Criminality. In the example of a legal citizen, if he referred to someone as a criminal who was not indeed a criminal, then of course I would not agree with it.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

Let's pretend somebody in a northern state doesn't want people from southern states coming into the northern state. They give a speech, in which they say the exact same thing Trump said, except switching out the key words. ("When southern states send their people," etc.) I'm sure some people from the south who visit or move to the north are rapists, but don't you think the statement is still extremely offensive to all southerners who want to visit a northern state? He still characterized Mexicans in the U.S. as, generally, "not their best."


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Having been born in Texas and lived the last 45+ years in Iowa I have to chuckle at your comment.
Granted southerners may not be accused of being rapists, but from my experience I've heard liberals poke fun of southerners being uneducated hicks most of my life.
Texas in particular.
I certainly hope you come to their defense as adamantly as you do those who are here illegally.
As far as the comment concerning those not living in border states not having an opinion on illegal immigration, that's just nonsense.
Again, I live in Iowa and see plenty of illegal immigrants all the way up here too.
I know you didn't make that comment but went ahead and added my comment out of laziness, rather than start another post.

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[HillbillyCletus]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

Sure. Does it matter? If you call someone dumb (for example), it's an insult, regardless of whether they are illegal immigrants.


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That is not necessarily true. A person may indeed be dumb, by definition. Similar to calling someone mentally challenged who may indeed be mentally challenged.

[zachtruitt]

I didn't say they were slave labor. I said they were the next best thing to slave labor. They love paying them $6 vs $15 with benefits. They take a lot of crap that the average American would not and they have no recourse when things go wrong.

[deansayso]

Originally Posted by zachtruitt

I didn't say they were slave labor. I said they were the next best thing to slave labor. They love paying them $6 vs $15 with benefits. They take a lot of crap that the average American would not and they have no recourse when things go wrong.

Yeah and I said there was no comparison to slave labor. If you know of someone paying their employees 6 bucks an hour turn the company in. Like I said before, ever since the Postville raid businesses around here provide a decent wage. The work environment sucks but it sucks for me farming too. Plus I don't make anywhere near $6 an hour farming!

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by zachtruitt

I didn't say they were slave labor. I said they were the next best thing to slave labor. They love paying them $6 vs $15 with benefits. They take a lot of crap that the average American would not and they have no recourse when things go wrong.

You don't need to pay benefits. Nor do you need to offer $15 an hour. You simply cut welfare benefits to all able bodied individuals. Men or women. Force them to work for an income and this country would be a better place.

This would avoid people birthing children simply to up their monthly benefits. And yes....that happens.

[RossOK]

Originally Posted by HillbillyCletus

I disagree. He did indeed say "some" are good. He did not, however, say "most" are not good or "all" are not good or "the majority" are not good. You simply made an assumption. He did not quantify the ones coming here illegally.

Are there immigrants entering the United States illegally? If so, does that not make them criminals? Are some of these criminals rapists? If so, how are his comments incorrect?

If you tell somebody "I have a lot of shirts. Some of them are red," they would understand that to mean a small percentage of your shirts are red. But if most of your shirts are red, you should probably say "I have a lot of shirts. Some of them aren't red" or "I have a lot of shirts. Most of them are red." Either of these would be a more accurate and effective way of communicating the facts.

With the words he used, he implied most were not in fact "good." That is the meaning of his quote. I know he's not a particularly gifted linguist, but he really did a horrible job of communicating his thoughts if he meant the opposite of what his actual words said.

Originally Posted by HillbillyCletus

Frankly, I believe some people are good and some people are bad. By me saying "I believe some people are good", it does not automatically mean I believe "most" to be bad, but I suppose it just depends on how you want to look at it.

A statement like "some people are good, some people are bad" is completely void of substance, you're better off not making it at all. If you think most people are good and you want to effectively communicate that sentiment, you should avoid ambiguous statements like "I believe some people are good," because those words don't articulate it.

[NeedChapmans]

Matt Lauer was chosen to moderate a one hour debate where Clinton and Trump will answer questions from the military, on military issues. This debate takes place six days from today. Matt Lauer was listed as a "Notable Past Member" of the Clinton Foundation. The page on the website is now deleted, and Matt Lauer's reps deny that he has anything to do w/ the Foundation.



Moderation should be interesting.

[SanAntonioSpurs]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

You don't need to pay benefits. Nor do you need to offer $15 an hour. You simply cut welfare benefits to all able bodied individuals. Men or women. Force them to work for an income and this country would be a better place.

This would avoid people birthing children simply to up their monthly benefits. And yes....that happens.

Here's the problem with that. Everything is going automated, so fast food restaurants that had 60 workers will now have 3 or 4 max. Retail sales jobs like Home Depot and Lowes that have 300 (guessing here) people per store will now have 20 - 30 because they are testing out replacing humans with robots. The trucking industry, by 2019 I believe the article said, they will be getting rid of drivers and have self driving trucks. Those are a few examples where you don't need a degree to do the job. Now, look at the jobs that need/require degrees that are laying off 10,000 people at a time?

On a trip to China not long ago for business we were driving on a dirt road and traveling through a village. Looking out the window you could see hundreds of people working in the fields and a guy in our group asked the lady on the bus why they didn't use machines since it would be cheaper and faster. Her response was, "then what would all these people be doing?".

Technology is great, but when you try to find ways to automate everything and have a rapidly growing population, there's going to be unemployed able bodies. Then on top of that add the immigrants that are coming over, pretty soon there will be more unemployed people than working people and it's not the fault of the people.

[CrownCollector]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Matt Lauer was chosen to moderate a one hour debate where Clinton and Trump will answer questions from the military, on military issues. This debate takes place six days from today. Matt Lauer was listed as a "Notable Past Member" of the Clinton Foundation. The page on the website is now deleted, and Matt Lauer's reps deny that he has anything to do w/ the Foundation.


Moderation should be interesting.

Delete and deny, hmm, sounds familiar doesn't it?

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

Can you please provide some examples of things people have said about illegal immigrants with which you disagree? I'm not trying to be snarky, and I'm sure they're out there, I just don't know who you are referencing when you talk about individuals who want to accept all illegals, side with illegals over citizens, etc.

President Obama, for his part, has deported more illegal immigrants than any other president in U.S. history.


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How about Hillary saying illegals in this country shouldn't have to live in fear of deportation.

[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

How about Hillary saying illegals in this country shouldn't have to live in fear of deportation.

Again, not trying to be snarky, but can you provide a source? I can't find this statement. I just want to know the context.


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[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

Again, not trying to be snarky, but can you provide a source? I can't find this statement. I just want to know the context.


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I can't remember what state it was but it was after a victory over Bernie during the victory speech. She even had a non English speaking Hispanic with her. Saw it live so not sure how to find it.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

Again, not trying to be snarky, but can you provide a source? I can't find this statement. I just want to know the context.


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Well here's an ad for it, from Clinton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axN-...ature=youtu.be

[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Well here's an ad for it, from Clinton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axN-...ature=youtu.be

Which do you think is a better headline:

NEEDCHAPMANS THINKS LITTLE GIRLS SHOULD DO THE WORRYING

or

NEEDCHAPMANS HATES GRANDMOTHERS

?

(Kidding.)


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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

Which do you think is a better headline:

NEEDCHAPMANS THINKS LITTLE GIRLS SHOULD DO THE WORRYING

or

NEEDCHAPMANS HATES GRANDMOTHERS

?

(Kidding.)


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Hmmm, I don't follow. You asked about the Democratic platform on the issue, it's simply to allow illegals to stay without fear of deportation. Keep families together; don't break them apart. Trumps platform is if you're a a criminal, you're gone. If you're caught crossing the border illegally, you're gone, and for the illegal immigrants who aren't criminals and are already here, we're gonna take care of everything else about immigration in this country, then we'll figure out what to do w/ you last. (A way of avoiding saying mass deportation and amnesty).

Those are the platforms for these candidates.

[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Hmmm, I don't follow. You asked about the Democratic platform on the issue, it's simply to allow illegals to stay without fear of deportation. Keep families together; don't break them apart. Trumps platform is if you're a a criminal, you're gone. If you're caught crossing the border illegally, you're gone, and for the illegal immigrants who aren't criminals and are already here, we're gonna take care of everything else about immigration in this country, then we'll figure out what to do w/ you last. (A way of avoiding saying mass deportation and amnesty).



Those are the platforms for these candidates.

In this case I actually didn't have a point. I was just making a dumb joke. Should have realized that would be lost in the wires.

Anyways, is that really Trump's current position? I thought his plan was to deport all immigrants the hour he takes office? I've been working like 14 hours per day most of the last week, so admittedly I've fallen behind a bit.


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[cruiserdaddy7]

Report: Iran granted exemptions to nuclear accord - CNNPolitics.com

Looks like Obama blew this deal as well. Why the U.S. would pay cash for hostages AND make a nuclear deal with a terrorist regime like Iran is absurd.

[tacoma34]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

Report: Iran granted exemptions to nuclear accord - CNNPolitics.com

Looks like Obama blew this deal as well. Why the U.S. would pay cash for hostages AND make a nuclear deal with a terrorist regime like Iran is absurd.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

In this case I actually didn't have a point. I was just making a dumb joke. Should have realized that would be lost in the wires.

Anyways, is that really Trump's current position? I thought his plan was to deport all immigrants the hour he takes office? I've been working like 14 hours per day most of the last week, so admittedly I've fallen behind a bit.


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It is, and here's a whopper for you.

Did you know the KKK actually endorsed Hillary Clinton, not Donald Trump? All this blah blah blah about David Duke commenting on Trump policy speeches, and it's actually Clinton whom the organization has come out and endorsed. But the media goes "Shhhhhhh".

[Addison]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

It is, and here's a whopper for you.

Did you know the KKK actually endorsed Hillary Clinton, not Donald Trump? All this blah blah blah about David Duke commenting on Trump policy speeches, and it's actually Clinton whom the organization has come out and endorsed. But the media goes "Shhhhhhh".

Because the grand dragon secretly believes Hilary is an uber conservative whose views align with the far right

KKK Leader Endorses Hillary Clinton In Off Chance She's Undercover Hitler

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Addison

Because the grand dragon secretly believes Hilary is an uber conservative whose views align with the far right

KKK Leader Endorses Hillary Clinton In Off Chance She's Undercover Hitler

Yup, every-time David Duke writes something about Trump. the media goes crazy "Disavow, Disavow" "You see, the KKK loves him cause he's racist". But someone actually in the KKK says they endorse Hillary Clinton, and I guarantee most people don't even know who William Quigg is, and when this happened. Where are all of the "Disavow, Disavow" calls for Clinton?

Type in William Quigg, Clinton into Google vs. David Duke, Trump ... and you'll find 100 articles about Trump for every 1 on Clinton. And Quigg is the guy actually in the KKK.