Ebay suspends PWCC for shill bidding - Page 20

SupermanBrandon · 08-17-2021, 09:56 PM

Feds? FBI? LOL

thenightman · 08-17-2021, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mrchipz

My man you are taking everything out of context. Ill just be done with you.

Why even call an eBay rep anymore? They have a chat box and twitter. @askebay always responds back and has helped me numerous times; same with the reps that service the chat box.

If you don't like talking to someone who isn't from the US, which really just means someone with an accent, then you have options.

Cavaliercards · 08-17-2021, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BGeezy

Damn, there were a couple PWCC listings ending this week that I really wanted. Two very rare cards of a unpopular former player that I doubt I'll see again for quite some time.

So on one hand, good news. But in regards to those two cards, I'm pretty bummed to see the listings yanked.

Same for me

anusinha · 08-17-2021, 09:58 PM

ebay doesnt care about shilling, they have known about it for years and thry didnt ban any other consignor that does it. They are peeved that PWCC wanted to make their own auction site. There were holding the shilling allegations just for this occasion.

boston12 · 08-17-2021, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Feds? FBI? LOL

You don’t think anything will come of the investigation?

Archangel1775 · 08-17-2021, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by signed79

My guess is the feds have made their way (finally) to eBay for records and they aren't having any of it. Stay ahead of any upcoming bad press.

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

PWCC told eBay that they weren't pretty anymore, as they found something hotter. eBay is now keying PWCC's car. This is personal.

It's gotta be one of these two.

BGeezy · 08-17-2021, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Same for me

Was it a pitcher?

dustin42 · 08-17-2021, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Feds? FBI? LOL

They have all been subpoenaed. You had to know this.

dustin42 · 08-17-2021, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by anusinha

ebay doesnt care about shilling, they have known about it for years and thry didnt ban any other consignor that does it. They are peeved that PWCC wanted to make their own auction site. There were holding the shilling allegations just for this occasion.

No. PWCC is bleeped.

SupermanBrandon · 08-17-2021, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dustin42

They have all been subpoenaed. You had to know this.

Cant wait to see all the hammers that come down on the hobby! Should be any day now.

boston12 · 08-17-2021, 10:07 PM

Completely agree with the PWCC Super Fans in here. It wasn’t because of the shill bids. That’s just smoke. Much larger news to come. Brent probably isn’t sleeping well right now.

dizzydolse · 08-17-2021, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ScooterMcRibs

Like many of the members of this community, I was shocked to find that Ebay banned PWCC today, a day which will live in hobby infamy. PWCC has been a pillar of the hobby for so many years, providing value to clients with their innovative products like Vault. I remember when Vault launched years ago there were people on this forum claiming that it was a scam and that they would never use it. Today Vault is trusted by tens of thousands of PWCC customers to hold hundreds of millions of dollars worth of collectables. PWCC did something that the naysayers said was impossible, and in doing so they provided great value to their customers. Kudos for PWCC for their innovation and ingenuity.

Pay close attention to the Ebay email - every word in it was written by the Ebay legal department, no doubt the top harlots that money can buy.

"Recently, it was determined that individuals associated with a trading card seller, PWCC, have engaged in “shill bidding,”"

"individuals associated with a trading card seller" means folks consigning their cards to PWCC, not employees of PWCC, or Ebay would have said so upfront. "Shill bidding" is absolutely rampant on Ebay from all sellers, and Ebay hardly lifts a finger to stop it. PWCC has its own internal checks to stop shilling, but stopping it completely is impossible with Ebay's business model. I would trust a PWCC auction to not be shilled far more than an auction from an average Joe. Yes, there have been a few examples of PWCC auctions being shilled, but when you run tens of thousands of auctions, there are going to be a few bad apple consignors. It's inevitable.

Today's actions by Ebay have nothing to do with protecting the community or stopping shilling. They are about an illegal monopoly shutting out an innovator that threatens their entrenched business model which is starting to show cracks. Ebay believes that 100% of commissions should belong to them alone, and they raise fees year after year. Ebay decided long ago to stop being a collectable auction site and transition to a retail site for high-margin junk merchandise. The hobby has had enough with it, and that's why PWCC and others have started to have success. Nobody is going to pay 12% to sell their collectables in the future, that is why Ebay has no future.

It's ironic that today's actions by Ebay will only hasten their demise. PWCC will now move full steam ahead to launching their own platform. I look forward to working with PWCC in the future. They have proven themselves to be a great platform with a superior customer experience. So let's have a toast today to the future of PWCC, the hobby, and the impending death of Ebay as a collectable auction platform.

Kingofkings1281 · 08-17-2021, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

PWCC told eBay that they weren't pretty anymore, as they found something hotter. eBay is now keying PWCC's car. This is personal.

Haha that’s about the best way I’ve seen it summed up.

dustin42 · 08-17-2021, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Cant wait to see all the hammers that come down on the hobby! Should be any day now.

Nat knows something...

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The Nasty Nati · 08-17-2021, 10:18 PM

Don’t know if anyone has brought this up, but maybe this is the beginning of eBay starting their own card consignment business. Send them to us, we’ll list it for you and have fancy high res listings with lots of exposure like PWCC did.

dustin42 · 08-17-2021, 10:21 PM

I don't think my ban will be lifted

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Cavaliercards · 08-17-2021, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BGeezy

Was it a pitcher?

Basketball

dizzydolse · 08-17-2021, 10:28 PM

Brent (PWCC) = scum
Joe Orlando (PSA) = scum
Ken Goldin (Goldin) = scum
Brian Gray (Leaf) = scum
Joe Clemons (Eagle Eye)/Beckett (BGS) = scum
Dave Thorn (Small Traditions) - scum
Countless trimmers, shillers, all around liars and awful people that BODA has called out

Nat Turner - wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be the biggest scum of all.

If you've been in the card game long enough, you start to see patterns. The guys at the top of the hobby in terms of money and action, or whatever you want to call it, are usually very suspect people and have been doing shady stuff forever, usually working with each other. How do you think they got to the "top" of this "hobby". I would say I'm a very casual collector. There are much smarter, longer term members of this community that know way more than I do, but I still see it. Don't trust any of these people. We all play the game anyway and most of us are aware of these people. That's why it can never be taken too seriously.

Cavaliercards · 08-17-2021, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

Don’t know if anyone has brought this up, but maybe this is the beginning of eBay starting their own card consignment business. Send them to us, we’ll list it for you and have fancy high res listings with lots of exposure like PWCC did.

They aren’t Amazon so I doubt they are going that route

cypher · 08-17-2021, 10:34 PM

Karma finally catching up with the salt miners. Doubt that worm big shot lawyer they hired can get them outta this one.

MoreToppsPlease · 08-17-2021, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzydolse

Brent (PWCC) = scum
Joe Orlando (PSA) = scum
Ken Goldin (Goldin) = scum
Brian Gray (Leaf) = scum
Joe Clemons (Eagle Eye)/Beckett (BGS) = scum
Dave Thorn (Small Traditions) - scum
Countless trimmers, shillers, all around liars and awful people that BODA has called out

Nat Turner - wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be the biggest scum of all.

If you've been in the card game long enough, you start to see patterns. The guys at the top of the hobby in terms of money and action, or whatever you want to call it, are usually very suspect people and have been doing shady stuff forever, usually working with each other. How do you think they got to the "top" of this "hobby". I would say I'm a very casual collector. There are much smarter, longer term members of this community that know way more than I do, but I still see it. Don't trust any of these people. We all play the game anyway and most of us are aware of these people. That's why it can never be taken too seriously.

The best hobby institution I know is BO. Agree about the hobby institutions you mentioned, they all try to make $$$ by making the hobby into something it can’t **honestly** be on its own.

pspa123 · 08-17-2021, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzydolse

Brent (PWCC) = scum
Joe Orlando (PSA) = scum
Ken Goldin (Goldin) = scum
Brian Gray (Leaf) = scum
Joe Clemons (Eagle Eye)/Beckett (BGS) = scum
Dave Thorn (Small Traditions) - scum
Countless trimmers, shillers, all around liars and awful people that BODA has called out

Nat Turner - wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be the biggest scum of all.

If you've been in the card game long enough, you start to see patterns. The guys at the top of the hobby in terms of money and action, or whatever you want to call it, are usually very suspect people and have been doing shady stuff forever, usually working with each other. How do you think they got to the "top" of this "hobby". I would say I'm a very casual collector. There are much smarter, longer term members of this community that know way more than I do, but I still see it. Don't trust any of these people. We all play the game anyway and most of us are aware of these people. That's why it can never be taken too seriously.

Post of the thread.

dustin42 · 08-17-2021, 10:53 PM

https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/sta...39228365484034

anusinha · 08-17-2021, 10:54 PM

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/faq

Updated FAQ, kinda sums up what I have heard through the grapevine. PWCC has been building an auction site completely seperate from ebay, which they intended to launch late this year/early next year. Ebay got wind and told them to kick rocks. PWCC says, "F you, we are going on our own anyway"

ThoseBackPages · 08-17-2021, 10:58 PM

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08-17-2021, 10:28 PM	#493
dizzydolse Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,938	Brent (PWCC) = scum Joe Orlando (PSA) = scum Ken Goldin (Goldin) = scum Brian Gray (Leaf) = scum Joe Clemons (Eagle Eye)/Beckett (BGS) = scum Dave Thorn (Small Traditions) - scum Countless trimmers, shillers, all around liars and awful people that BODA has called out Nat Turner - wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be the biggest scum of all. If you've been in the card game long enough, you start to see patterns. The guys at the top of the hobby in terms of money and action, or whatever you want to call it, are usually very suspect people and have been doing shady stuff forever, usually working with each other. How do you think they got to the "top" of this "hobby". I would say I'm a very casual collector. There are much smarter, longer term members of this community that know way more than I do, but I still see it. Don't trust any of these people. We all play the game anyway and most of us are aware of these people. That's why it can never be taken too seriously. Last edited by dizzydolse; 08-17-2021 at 10:31 PM.

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anusinha Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 13,709	ebay doesnt care about shilling, they have known about it for years and thry didnt ban any other consignor that does it. They are peeved that PWCC wanted to make their own auction site. There were holding the shilling allegations just for this occasion.

08-17-2021, 10:07 PM	#486
boston12 Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 3,282	Completely agree with the PWCC Super Fans in here. It wasn’t because of the shill bids. That’s just smoke. Much larger news to come. Brent probably isn’t sleeping well right now.

08-17-2021, 10:18 PM	#490
The Nasty Nati Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 196	Don’t know if anyone has brought this up, but maybe this is the beginning of eBay starting their own card consignment business. Send them to us, we’ll list it for you and have fancy high res listings with lots of exposure like PWCC did.

08-17-2021, 10:34 PM	#495
cypher Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 943	Karma finally catching up with the salt miners. Doubt that worm big shot lawyer they hired can get them outta this one.

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dustin42 Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 1,924	https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/sta...39228365484034

08-17-2021, 10:54 PM	#499
anusinha Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 13,709	https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/faq Updated FAQ, kinda sums up what I have heard through the grapevine. PWCC has been building an auction site completely seperate from ebay, which they intended to launch late this year/early next year. Ebay got wind and told them to kick rocks. PWCC says, "F you, we are going on our own anyway"