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[JohnRyno]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

Really? Can you refresh my memory on which member took money and then refunded it to sell the card for a much higher price?

crabking and armyman were in a pretty heated argument in another thread, so my guess is it's him.

[houdini]

I did not ban him for eBay.

If I had seen his eBay when I was approving new members, I simply would not have approved him. If I see an eBay account like his or poor itrader on other forums or a youtube rant about fraud, I will not approve the account. It happens sometimes.

When I was researching this member, his eBay did not show (I added his eBay username to his account when I banned him). I found his twitter account and based on that and the reason he uses "Ryderdaniel" is why I approved him at all.

This was not a case of trying to sell your card for more money in my mind, this was a case of deception to defraud.

I decided that the best way to protect the community was to ban this account. That is what I did.

If you want to B/S/T with this person, be my guest. Just not here.

We have plenty of members who twist facts to suit their own agenda - have at it. If you are constantly a miserable person on here, you are clearly just a miserable person in general. So be a miserable - nobody is going to pity you for a condition you clearly revel in.

[purejd86p]

Originally Posted by houdini

I did not ban him for eBay.

If I had seen his eBay when I was approving new members, I simply would not have approved him. If I see an eBay account like his or poor itrader on other forums or a youtube rant about fraud, I will not approve the account. It happens sometimes.

When I was researching this member, his eBay did not show (I added his eBay username to his account when I banned him). I found his twitter account and based on that and the reason he uses "Ryderdaniel" is why I approved him at all.

This was not a case of trying to sell your card for more money in my mind, this was a case of deception to defraud.

I decided that the best way to protect the community was to ban this account. That is what I did.

If you want to B/S/T with this person, be my guest. Just not here.

We have plenty of members who twist facts to suit their own agenda - have at it. If you are constantly a miserable person on here, you are clearly just a miserable person in general. So be a miserable - nobody is going to pity you for a condition you clearly revel in.

Spot on! Some people are just flat out miserable no matter what!

[gorillaz]

Originally Posted by purejd86p

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Spot on! Some people are just flat out miserable no matter what!

See what you said

[theRLO]

Originally Posted by Gibberish

It is moot.
I did some looking and found 27 members in 2 hours, of which all had more than 5 negs in their current feedback score and 3 had more than 10. Everyone's favorite "He whom cannot be named" 7 negs with flippant replies to them all to displace blame anywhere but on him.

I think Houdini saw a flake incoming and felt justified in banning him.
As a member I felt he exercised a blanket rule meant to cover any unforeseen issues that could be thrown in someone's face down the road.

However, banning someone for ebay issues, while so many here do just as bad or worse, outright theft and fraud, seems really off point and seems tacky and biased to not be used on all with the same ebay antics IMO as you are punishing a person for posting his ebay link where as thousands, myself included, do not and would be exempt for that rule whiplash in that situation. If such a policy would be enforced then should not being a member on ebay also be a requirement upon signing up for Blowout ?

This will break down to " Im a mod, you are a member" in the end, regardless of a persons view on the matter , so unsubbing.

I see it this way as well. It's a blanket rule that is essentially the "ace up the sleeve" and can render any argument for or against the rules as moot.

I think Gibberish's points are well stated and what happened was unfair since OP didn't break any site rules. But anytime you argue with the "boss", he or she can say "Well, I'm the boss and those are my rules."

[Andrew Jones]

Originally Posted by theRLO

I see it this way as well. It's a blanket rule that is essentially the "ace up the sleeve" and can render any argument for or against the rules as moot.

I think Gibberish's points are well stated and what happened was unfair since OP didn't break any site rules. But anytime you argue with the "boss", he or she can say "Well, I'm the boss and those are my rules."

Perhaps I'm in the minority but I'd prefer the people running this site boot as many obvious scammers as possible before they can scam members of this site instead of waiting for them to rip some people off first.

[houdini]

Originally Posted by theRLO

I think Gibberish's points are well stated and what happened was unfair since OP didn't break any site rules. But anytime you argue with the "boss", he or she can say "Well, I'm the boss and those are my rules."

Or, and this is a crazy thought, they can say this:

(Which, believe it or not, is actually what I did say.)

Originally Posted by houdini

I did not ban him for eBay.

If I had seen his eBay when I was approving new members, I simply would not have approved him. If I see an eBay account like his or poor itrader on other forums or a youtube rant about fraud, I will not approve the account. It happens sometimes.

When I was researching this member, his eBay did not show (I added his eBay username to his account when I banned him). I found his twitter account and based on that and the reason he uses "Ryderdaniel" is why I approved him at all.

This was not a case of trying to sell your card for more money in my mind, this was a case of deception to defraud.

I decided that the best way to protect the community was to ban this account. That is what I did.

If you want to B/S/T with this person, be my guest. Just not here.

We have plenty of members who twist facts to suit their own agenda - have at it. If you are constantly a miserable person on here, you are clearly just a miserable person in general. So be miserable - nobody is going to pity you for a condition you clearly revel in.

So many people are quick to cry about the mods when they send a gift payment to a scammer... why did Blowout allow such a travesty! However, when we are proactive, you complain about how the banned member should have been allowed to scam before they were banned.

Look, if it makes you feel better about the process, you can send $20 paypal gift to the next person I ban before I swing the hammer.

[theRLO]

Originally Posted by houdini

Or, and this is a crazy thought, they can say this:

(Which, believe it or not, is actually what I did say.)



So many people are quick to cry about the mods when they send a gift payment to a scammer... why did Blowout allow such a travesty! However, when we are proactive, you complain about how the banned member should have been allowed to scam before they were banned.

Look, if it makes you feel better about the process, you can send $20 paypal gift to the next person I ban before I swing the hammer.

I read your response. Sending gift payments is in the rules as a no-no, I get that. And I get that you are trying to be proactive. If people are following the written rules of the forum (sending non gift payments) then they are protected by PayPal, not u/houdini. If someone is not following the written rules of the forum, then yes, you can intervene and most people ask for it and welcome it, including myself.

FWIW, I've always thought you've been a fair mod when dealing with this type of thing, but I feel that you essentially made use of your power and made a unilateral decision since no specific forum rule was broken.

Either way, you've made your decision. He's banned and that's that.

[WilsonValdez]

Originally Posted by houdini

I did not ban him for eBay.

If I had seen his eBay when I was approving new members, I simply would not have approved him. If I see an eBay account like his or poor itrader on other forums or a youtube rant about fraud, I will not approve the account. It happens sometimes.

When I was researching this member, his eBay did not show (I added his eBay username to his account when I banned him). I found his twitter account and based on that and the reason he uses "Ryderdaniel" is why I approved him at all.

This was not a case of trying to sell your card for more money in my mind, this was a case of deception to defraud.

I decided that the best way to protect the community was to ban this account. That is what I did.

If you want to B/S/T with this person, be my guest. Just not here.

We have plenty of members who twist facts to suit their own agenda - have at it. If you are constantly a miserable person on here, you are clearly just a miserable person in general. So be a miserable - nobody is going to pity you for a condition you clearly revel in.

Wasn't it not too long ago that some people were endlessly harping to the tune of "Blowout doesn't really care about scammers and just lets them run wild on here?"

You'd think then they'd be supportive of erring towards caution...but I guess some people just like to complain for the sake of complaining.

[theRLO]

Originally Posted by WilsonValdez

Wasn't it not too long ago that some people were endlessly harping to the tune of "Blowout doesn't really care about scammers and just lets them run wild on here?"

You'd think then they'd be supportive of erring towards caution...but I guess some people just like to complain for the sake of complaining.

Erring towards caution in these instances seems akin to McCarthyism. Yeah, it's not treason, but it sure isn't "innocent until proven guilty."

[Andrew Jones]

[techtre2003]

damned if you do and damned if you don't. Must be fun being a mod.

[JohnRyno]

Originally Posted by theRLO

Erring towards caution in these instances seems akin to McCarthyism. Yeah, it's not treason, but it sure isn't "innocent until proven guilty."

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[CARDGUY123]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

damned if you do and damned if you don't. Must be fun being a mod.

Motion seconded

[xbignick]

Considering getting banned if anyone wanted to do his 20 gift point, multiple would provide a better incentive.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by JohnRyno

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