Blowout's Football "Promo" is a Scam to an extent - Page 2

Coventry6546 · 08-23-2014, 12:17 PM

Op, think your confusing promotion with sale...definition of promotion;
pro·mo·tion /prəˈmōSHən/

noun noun: promotion activity that supports or provides active encouragement for the furtherance of a cause, venture, or aim. "disease prevention and health promotion" synonyms: encouragement, advocacy, furtherance, furthering, advancement, assistance, aid, help, contribution to, fostering, boosting, stimulation, boosterism "the promotion of justice" the publicization of a product, organization, or venture so as to increase sales or public awareness synonyms: advertising, publicizing, marketing; More a publicity campaign for a particular product, organization, or venture. plural noun: promotions "the paper is reaping the rewards of a series of promotions" the activity or business of organizing publicity campaigns. plural noun: promotions "she's the promotions manager for the museum" a sporting event, especially a series of boxing matches, staged for profit.

CHEMISTRY the action of promoting a catalyst. the action of raising someone to a higher position or rank or the fact of being so raised. "majors designated for promotion to lieutenant colonel" synonyms: upgrading, preferment, elevation, advancement, step up (the ladder) "her promotion at work"

711 Cards · 08-23-2014, 12:21 PM

Marketing 101: a promotion is designed to promote a particular product, service, or products to the general public. Blowout is promoting their football boxes and giving away prizes while doing so. This isn't a Sale or clearance. They can make as much profit as the choose. There are a lot if expenses you're not factoring in. As others sId, don't buy any products if you choose.

jerryw · 08-23-2014, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by triplethreads07

This isn't a promotion at all. This is a way for blowout to make an extra 15%-20% margin on your purchase...The total cost of ALL boxes in the blowout store currently is $9,932. They collect a total of $19,195. A difference of $9,263. Season awards are $3500 and based on last year's record and we'll add 2 more just for kicks means they give out $6000. Leaving $3263 left. Take off couple hundred for shipping costs and your left with a cool $3000 of PURE EXTRA PROFIT. Kind of a scam if you ask me to call it a PROMOTION.

Call it a contest, anything but a promotion. A promotion signifies savings and this DOESNT offer any such savings.

tell that to the people who got peyton manning last year...

oldcardcolector · 08-23-2014, 12:33 PM

Nothing wrong with OPs statements. Its deceiving sure but you dont have to partake obv. He was just being nice and letting everyone know how the math worked out thats all now can you all just CTFO? Thanks OP not that i would partake but its nice to see people look out for one another.

triplethreads07 · 08-23-2014, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by oldcardcolector

Nothing wrong with OPs statements. Its deceiving sure but you dont have to partake obv. He was just being nice and letting everyone know how the math worked out thats all now can you all just CTFO? Thanks OP not that i would partake but its nice to see people look out for one another.

At least someone understands the point to my topic post. A lot of giveaways and such by blowout are truly that but this one is a bad egg in my opinion. Just trying to let others know. Last year they filled 3 or 4 of these and walked away with a cool 5 figure extra profit paycheck. That isn't worth 30-60 minutes a week checking stats at all.

jerryw · 08-23-2014, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by oldcardcolector

Nothing wrong with OPs statements. Its deceiving sure but you dont have to partake obv. He was just being nice and letting everyone know how the math worked out thats all now can you all just CTFO? Thanks OP not that i would partake but its nice to see people look out for one another.

now look at it like this...last year I got a crap box and cam newton, I hit zero of the bonuses...it cost me 199.99 (I will use 200 to make it easy)...so for that 200 I got a box of cards and 16 chances at winning 1-2 hundred dollars per week, and a chance at the big prizes at the end...so for around 12.50 my sundays now become really exciting because I now have a dog in the fight...im a tampa bay fan and I found myself cheering on cam newton all year long lol....you cant goto a movie and get popcorn and a drink for 12.50 in many places anymore and you sure as heck wont have a chance to hit a hundred here or there and possibly strike it rich at the end......

triplethreads07 · 08-23-2014, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jerryw

now look at it like this...last year I got a crap box and cam newton, I hit zero of the bonuses...it cost me 199.99 (I will use 200 to make it easy)...so for that 200 I got a box of cards and 16 chances at winning 1-2 hundred dollars per week, and a chance at the big prizes at the end...so for around 12.50 my sundays now become really exciting because I now have a dog in the fight...im a tampa bay fan and I found myself cheering on cam newton all year long lol....you cant goto a movie and get popcorn and a drink for 12.50 in many places anymore and you sure as heck wont have a chance to hit a hundred here or there and possibly strike it rich at the end......

Online you can gamble in office pools like this that payout 90+%. Vegas payout rate is higher then what was provided here in this "promo" ~75%. Can get the same thrill with a better payout overall my friend.

nibrugnerotto · 08-23-2014, 01:20 PM

If they gave away $6000 like you said, wouldn't that be a loss for them because it is $6000 in gift cards?

Athey49 · 08-23-2014, 01:27 PM

I just find it rude to join a forum then immediately call their promotion a scam. Just my 2 cents

triplethreads07 · 08-23-2014, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nibrugnerotto

If they gave away $6000 like you said, wouldn't that be a loss for them because it is $6000 in gift cards?

Read the math again. If one were to buy all 96 boxes that they give away in this promotion the cost is 9232. The total they collect from 96 spots at ~$200 a pop is almost double that. They only pay out $6000. So thus from spending $18000, customers get back ~$15000 in boxes + gift cards only.

triplethreads07 · 08-23-2014, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Athey49

I just find it rude to join a forum then immediately call their promotion a scam. Just my 2 cents

You think this thread is bad? Look up bitcoin, the payment method that WILL replace the scam known as Paypal. You wouldn't last 5 seconds on that forum if you're that soft.

triplethreads07 · 08-23-2014, 01:35 PM

Before anyone says about paypal not being a scam, google bitcoin and paypal payments. Google buying hacked paypal account with working CC for $10-$20...everytime someone uses a hacked account or claims they were hacked paypal refunds the hacked/scammer. After you sent them their item already.

Another example - you buy a $1000 card off ebay and pay using paypal. All the seller has to do is provide proof they sent you "something" and paypal will side with them. Happened to me. Was out $900+ for a card and received a card worth not even $5.

Also scammed for a $1000 payment.

triplethreads07 · 08-23-2014, 01:38 PM

I collected all the prices for the boxes in the promotion and put it on an excel spreadsheet. If anyone is interested in seeing it please let me know and I'll email it to you.

jumbogorilla · 08-23-2014, 01:38 PM

Did you also calculate the cost of operation during the promotion? Tracking, keeping score, and what not?

Did you calculate the cost of maintaining a forum?

You do realize that Blowoutcards aka The Fantastic Store has to be in business for this promotion to endure, yes? Is it a possibility that the $3000 in "pure profit" goes into the cost of maintenance for the store?

jerryw · 08-23-2014, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by triplethreads07

Before anyone says about paypal not being a scam, google bitcoin and paypal payments. Google buying hacked paypal account with working CC for $10-$20...everytime someone uses a hacked account or claims they were hacked paypal refunds the hacked/scammer. After you sent them their item already.

Another example - you buy a $1000 card off ebay and pay using paypal. All the seller has to do is provide proof they sent you "something" and paypal will side with them. Happened to me. Was out $900+ for a card and received a card worth not even $5.

Also scammed for a $1000 payment.

this says it all about your knowledge....paypal rarely sides with the seller...you ship a 5 dollar card when you advertised selling a 1000 card....file a item not as described and send it back and pp no questions asked usually sides with the buyer....

cowboyzqna · 08-23-2014, 01:40 PM

I know its a business and all but sometimes this hobby should be fun... and these promotions are great fun imo.

Don't like it, Don't join --- seems to be an easy solution. Why call it a semi-scam? There is nothing about these promotions that isn't crystal clear. I for one think its cool that blowout does promotions like this.

triplethreads07 · 08-23-2014, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jerryw

this says it all about your knowledge....paypal rarely sides with the seller...you ship a 5 dollar card when you advertised selling a 1000 card....file a item not as described and send it back and pp no questions asked usually sides with the buyer....

I did and lost. Bought a 1954 bowman mantle card and received some no name vintage card worth $5. Filed a dispute that the card was not as described and lost.

jerryw · 08-23-2014, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jumbogorilla

Did you also calculate the cost of operation during the promotion? Tracking, keeping score, and what not?

Did you calculate the cost of maintaining a forum?

You do realize that Blowoutcards aka The Fantastic Store has to be in business for this promotion to endure, yes? Is it a possibility that the $3000 in "pure profit" goes into the cost of maintenance for the store?

people always seem to forget its not pure profit until all deductions are made...they have original cost of the box, shipping costs, employee costs, light bill, water bill, and the list goes on an on before a profit is reached

triplethreads07 · 08-23-2014, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jumbogorilla

Did you also calculate the cost of operation during the promotion? Tracking, keeping score, and what not?

Did you calculate the cost of maintaining a forum?

You do realize that Blowoutcards aka The Fantastic Store has to be in business for this promotion to endure, yes? Is it a possibility that the $3000 in "pure profit" goes into the cost of maintenance for the store?

I could gather these statistics easily spending at most an hour a week on Tuesday morning. 16 weeks x $10.00/hr = $160 labor cost.

jerryw · 08-23-2014, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by triplethreads07

I did and lost. Bought a 1954 bowman mantle card and received some no name vintage card worth $5. Filed a dispute that the card was not as described and lost.

I don't believe you, ask any of the hundreds of people who was scammed...if you send me a 5 dollar common inplace of a 54 bowman mantle....all I have to do is file an item not described case and send it back with proof it was delivered back to you....id go as far as to say it would be easier to actually get the mantle and lie and say you got a common then file the item not described case and ship the common back and have proof it went back and was delivered and they will side with you everytime EVERYTIME

triplethreads07 · 08-23-2014, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jerryw

people always seem to forget its not pure profit until all deductions are made...they have original cost of the box, shipping costs, employee costs, light bill, water bill, and the list goes on an on before a profit is reached

That is where they create their prices for the PACKS / BOXES / CASES from. Employee cost for this $160 (16 weeks x 1 hr at $10/hr labor). Forum again was created BEFORE these promotions so they also associate that cost to the prices of the boxes. For forums they are using one of the more common forum softwares and leasing that software for about $300-$800 a month. Servers another $100 or $200. Again built into the costs of all other products. This promotion does not equal $3000 in costs so don't even try saying that.

triplethreads07 · 08-23-2014, 01:48 PM

Price for this "promo" should be no more then $179.95 per spot. I would actually participate and buy a spot if it was reasonable like ~$180 a spot. Leaves ~$1000 for overhead (5%) (which is actually reasonable).

lionsfan20 · 08-23-2014, 01:54 PM

Last I checked Blowout cards is a business. The purpose of a business is to make a profit. They are not a charity and they are not here to give you or anyone else free cards. As others have pointed out if you don't wish to purchase their products or do business with them you are free to pass.

triplethreads07 · 08-23-2014, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Last I checked Blowout cards is a business. The purpose of a business is to make a profit. They are not a charity and they are not here to give you or anyone else free cards. As others have pointed out if you don't wish to purchase their products or do business with them you are free to pass.

Oh I know. Just pointing out who though really has the "fun" here aka Blowoutcard's pocket.

Athey49 · 08-23-2014, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by triplethreads07

You think this thread is bad? Look up bitcoin, the payment method that WILL replace the scam known as Paypal. You wouldn't last 5 seconds on that forum if you're that soft.

Yes I think this thread is bad..and also think you're an idiot.

08-23-2014, 12:21 PM	#27
711 Cards Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: ATL Posts: 5,016 thecardsociety11 ELevin99	Marketing 101: a promotion is designed to promote a particular product, service, or products to the general public. Blowout is promoting their football boxes and giving away prizes while doing so. This isn't a Sale or clearance. They can make as much profit as the choose. There are a lot if expenses you're not factoring in. As others sId, don't buy any products if you choose. __________________ Whatnot account is @misterhop. Great deals on singles and breaks.

08-23-2014, 12:33 PM	#29
oldcardcolector Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Florida Posts: 892 satoshisbitcoin oldcardcolector	Nothing wrong with OPs statements. Its deceiving sure but you dont have to partake obv. He was just being nice and letting everyone know how the math worked out thats all now can you all just CTFO? Thanks OP not that i would partake but its nice to see people look out for one another. __________________ FRANK THOMAS BO JACKSON AND SHAQUILLE O'NEAL COLLECTOR RAIDERS GRIZZLIES FANATIC 25+ YEARS!

08-23-2014, 01:20 PM	#33
nibrugnerotto Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,930 splashcards SplashCards	If they gave away $6000 like you said, wouldn't that be a loss for them because it is $6000 in gift cards? __________________ Super Collecting Justin Tucker Also looking for 2018 Bowman Draft Osiris Johnson Printing Plates.

08-23-2014, 01:27 PM	#34
Athey49 Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Minnesota Posts: 8,813 bradathey Athey49	I just find it rude to join a forum then immediately call their promotion a scam. Just my 2 cents __________________ San Fran Football Fan Bring me your Royce Lewis! LISTEN TO DYLAN

08-23-2014, 01:38 PM	#39
jumbogorilla Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 6,345	Did you also calculate the cost of operation during the promotion? Tracking, keeping score, and what not? Did you calculate the cost of maintaining a forum? You do realize that Blowoutcards aka The Fantastic Store has to be in business for this promotion to endure, yes? Is it a possibility that the $3000 in "pure profit" goes into the cost of maintenance for the store? __________________ *disclaimer - I am not a grader. I don't know how a card will grade. I rarely take more than 1 look at a card after I purchase or ebay or receive it in a break. Payments are expected within 6 hours of purchase. Failure to pay / communicate within a 6 hour timeframe will result in cancellation.

08-23-2014, 12:17 PM	#26
Coventry6546 Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,764 Coventry6546	Op, think your confusing promotion with sale...definition of promotion; pro·mo·tion /prəˈmōSHən/ noun noun: promotion activity that supports or provides active encouragement for the furtherance of a cause, venture, or aim. "disease prevention and health promotion" synonyms: encouragement, advocacy, furtherance, furthering, advancement, assistance, aid, help, contribution to, fostering, boosting, stimulation, boosterism "the promotion of justice" the publicization of a product, organization, or venture so as to increase sales or public awareness synonyms: advertising, publicizing, marketing; More a publicity campaign for a particular product, organization, or venture. plural noun: promotions "the paper is reaping the rewards of a series of promotions" the activity or business of organizing publicity campaigns. plural noun: promotions "she's the promotions manager for the museum" a sporting event, especially a series of boxing matches, staged for profit. CHEMISTRY the action of promoting a catalyst. the action of raising someone to a higher position or rank or the fact of being so raised. "majors designated for promotion to lieutenant colonel" synonyms: upgrading, preferment, elevation, advancement, step up (the ladder) "her promotion at work"

08-23-2014, 01:35 PM	#37
triplethreads07 Banned Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 33	Before anyone says about paypal not being a scam, google bitcoin and paypal payments. Google buying hacked paypal account with working CC for $10-$20...everytime someone uses a hacked account or claims they were hacked paypal refunds the hacked/scammer. After you sent them their item already. Another example - you buy a $1000 card off ebay and pay using paypal. All the seller has to do is provide proof they sent you "something" and paypal will side with them. Happened to me. Was out $900+ for a card and received a card worth not even $5. Also scammed for a $1000 payment.

08-23-2014, 01:40 PM	#41
cowboyzqna Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Moundridge KS Posts: 9,265 cowboyzqna	I know its a business and all but sometimes this hobby should be fun... and these promotions are great fun imo. Don't like it, Don't join --- seems to be an easy solution. Why call it a semi-scam? There is nothing about these promotions that isn't crystal clear. I for one think its cool that blowout does promotions like this. __________________ I am a Lucky Man

08-23-2014, 01:48 PM	#47
triplethreads07 Banned Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 33	Price for this "promo" should be no more then $179.95 per spot. I would actually participate and buy a spot if it was reasonable like ~$180 a spot. Leaves ~$1000 for overhead (5%) (which is actually reasonable).

08-23-2014, 01:54 PM	#48
lionsfan20 Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nebraska Posts: 7,610 frankieheimann frankieheimann	Last I checked Blowout cards is a business. The purpose of a business is to make a profit. They are not a charity and they are not here to give you or anyone else free cards. As others have pointed out if you don't wish to purchase their products or do business with them you are free to pass. __________________ I collect Exquisite, Triple Threads, National Treasures, Five star and SP Barry Sanders stuff.