Addressing the issue:

[TXGunslinger]

It just sucks from a standpoint of if we can't trust a person with your reputation here and on eBay who can we trust?

[tonedef2oo8]

I decided to play around with it. NO INTENTION to sell. Well then I was suggested to submit for grading for "sh*ts and giggles." So I wrongfully did that and it did come back as an 8. I wrongfully decided to list it. I received one offer as a joke from a buddy. I did not post it on Blowout because I knew it wouldn't sell and it would be a shitfest.

Which is it ? If you didn't want to sell you make a topic on how stupid BGS is for grading it crack the case and remove the inscription or destroy this card.

Not accidently / wrongfully list it (lol to who even buys that crap) and then use this forum to further your lie by saying it was pack pulled. So there is you using this forum to pass a lie off about your auction. So if a ban comes I would suspect thats why.

[KC35]

Why even grade it if you weren't going to try to sell it? You graded it to make buyers think the inscription was real. Kinda like how patch fakers get faked patch cards slabbed as authentic.

[VWBUS1978]

Originally Posted by TXGunslinger

It just sucks from a standpoint of if we can't trust a person with your reputation here and on eBay who can we trust?

Trust no one

[imnotded]

Originally Posted by TXGunslinger

It just sucks from a standpoint of if we can't trust a person with your reputation here and on eBay who can we trust?

This is what I brought up in the other thread. This stuff doesn't just hurt the reputation of the "scammer", it hurts reputations of other as well.

[TXGunslinger]

Originally Posted by statman32

I did not "allege". I questioned both cards because of the information we had about Arcia. I would have edited my post about the Selman because of information I found right after, but the mods locked the thread.

I'm glad that you replied. I mentioned at the start that you should have held off or stepped away from your booth immediately. Your first 2 responses were lacking and you would concur.

With that being said, I would like to hold off on any further judgement in order to see the results of the discussion you have with NeedChapmans.

Why was the other thread locked?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by VWBUS1978

Trust no one

You can't go through life like that. No matter how many times you get screwed over in the past / it's no way to live in the present or the future.

[WCTYSON]

Originally Posted by mikecancelliere

A ban can be possible. But I didn't try to sell it here and the card was never mentioned by me here. Whatever blowout decides is up to them

Originally Posted by hotbox

So if Haiku were to go on SCF, he would be allowed? Just because he didn't do anything shady on there? It doesn't matter where you tried to sell it, you tried to sell it.

On point with this.


Do you think BGS should also take action too? You have brought negative attention to their company and process, which they have to also answer for your actions.

[Keyser Soze]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Mike / you tried to run a scam / you got caught. It's that simple. We both know if a $100 offer came across eBay, you would have accepted and sold that Arcia in a second, and no one would be the wiser. You had over a month to do this ... and through each step, you decided to take it one step further.

Justify it anyway you want to, it's scum like you that make people leave this hobby, make people lose faith in other people, and close people off to trusting others. Shame on you.

I liked Mike, and enjoyed his threads and ridiculous cards, but I couldn't agree with this post more. I'm not sure which was worse, the attempted scam, or your blatantly arrogant initial responses in the first thread.

[theacox]

This just goes to show that, in the hobby, it can take years to build a reputation, but one moment/post/decision to tear it all down.

[lakesidez]

May I remind you the description "you" typed for the alleged auction:


WELCOME TO xMCSPORTSCARDSx!

UP FOR AUCTION TODAY IS:

2013 BOWMAN CHROME OSWALDO ARCIA REF REFRACTOR AUTO /500

CARD HAS THE TWITTER NAME INSCRIBED DESPITE BEING NUMBERED TO 500

CARD IS BGS 8 WITH 10 AUTO FOR PROTECTION


Does not sound like a joke to me, IMO you had a plan from the day you bought the un-inscribed card off of eBay, altered it, had it authenticated, encased\protected and graded, and then listed for sale. Now man up to it. Either way every auction\sale you do going forward will and should be scrutinized.

[Keyser Soze]

Originally Posted by WCTYSON

On point with this.


Do you think BGS should also take action too? You have brought negative attention to their company and process, which they have to also answer for your actions.

The only action BGS should take is to fire the grader. It's not entirely Mike's fault that they slabbed something that should have thrown up huge red flags that it is was altered

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by lakesidez

May I remind you the description "you" typed for the alleged auction:


WELCOME TO xMCSPORTSCARDSx!

UP FOR AUCTION TODAY IS:

2013 BOWMAN CHROME OSWALDO ARCIA REF REFRACTOR AUTO /500

CARD HAS THE TWITTER NAME INSCRIBED DESPITE BEING NUMBERED TO 500

CARD IS BGS 8 WITH 10 AUTO FOR PROTECTION


Does not sound like a joke to me, IMO you had a plan from the day you bought the un-inscribed card off of eBay, altered it, had it authenticated, encased\protected and graded, and then listed for sale. Now man up to it. Either way every auction\sale you do going forward will and should be scrutinized.

He wrongfully did that. He also wrongfully posted here on BO it was pack pulled meaning clientele of this website / business could have fallen for this wrongfully listed card had the proof not surfaced (remember not all proof was out and he still denied it could have ended it there).... But he had no intentions of selling to anyone....

[Bosox34]

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

I liked Mike, and enjoyed his threads and ridiculous cards, but I couldn't agree with this post more. I'm not sure which was worse, the attempted scam, or your blatantly arrogant initial responses in the first thread.

Perfectly said.

[lakesidez]

Originally Posted by theacox

This just goes to show that, in the hobby, it can take years to build a reputation, but one moment/post/decision to tear it all down.

Well said indeed......

[37Jetson]

You are about as believable as davepeters239.

Originally Posted by mikecancelliere

I would like to address some issues that have been discussed today. I am not running away as some have said and I was at the show (past the 6:00 closing time: contrary to popular belief).

1) Arcia. The card was purchased in the linked auction. Condition was bad so I decided to play around with it. NO INTENTION to sell. Well then I was suggested to submit for grading for "sh*ts and giggles." So I wrongfully did that and it did come back as an 8. I wrongfully decided to list it. I received one offer as a joke from a buddy. I did not post it on Blowout because I knew it wouldn't sell and it would be a shitfest.

2) Besides the one member going on and on about issues with me, what other evidence does anybody have of me "stealing" or "switching" cards. On the very few times someone grades with me, I do not allow any card that cannot be proven theirs; unless I'm not sending any if the same to confuse things. (if serial # it's self explanatory. If non# auto then pictures would be taken).

Back to the "stealing" and "switching."
-The member failed to address the fact that the box was re-taped up by USPS and marked as resealed by them. He also would stress the fact to NOT insure his cards. That shipment contained multiple red ref autos and superfractors. Thousands and thousands of dollars worth of his cards have crossed my hands and not one issue. If I were to steal something, it'd be of more significant value. Not to mention I worked something out with him to cover the loss.
-switching cards: never had any in incident with that so not sure where that came from.

3) closing up and running out of the show: i was there 30 min past close. The member who I split half of the table with was not able to make it today. Maybe his stacked showcases made it look like I was gone. I will also be there all day tomorrow. Feel free to monitor. I am set up with multiple blowout members who would love to confirm. Also a known sh*ttalker who fails to back things up.

4) My collections worth and my age. For that to even be mentioned is just stupid. All these "stolen" cards really add up especially when the total worth of the "stolen" cards is maybe $100. I have a job believe it or not. I also snowball pretty much all the $ from cards back into cards.

5) other "altered" cards that I've allegedly sold. NONE. Oscar taveras non autod card was graded a 9.5 and slabbed with "missing auto". Was sold on eBay and I can provide proof upon request. Comparing that to another one in my bucket is silly. Sam selman blue wave auto 10. I have a picture of the 10 and a picture of the one I won on auction. Although both cards are gone, I was able to get pics of the 10/10. Will also post upon request.

So although I was wrong on the Arcia, I never have scammed or stolen anything. Not to mention, the only member saying these things is no perfect soul. I have had multiple issues from his end as well, but that's not the main worry.

I do local shows quite often... so being the alleged scammer that I am, it's not the smartest to be known personally and talk to multiple members daily.

Feel free to ask about any issues not mentioned. Also feel free to talk to me at the National. Table 379.

Any immature/irrelevant post will be ignored and I will not be in contact with anybody looking for an online fight, or the member going on and on about me.

For any that choose not to associate with me again, thanks for any deals we've done in the past.

To close it out, I would like to apologize for letting the Arcia issue get out of hand and causing this mess. Although it was never sold or offered to anyone, it was uncalled for.

Thanks for the long read, have a good weekend.
Mike

EDIT: I also talked to a mod face to face today about the issue.

[55lincecumfan55]

Whats ur job? It must pay alot

[VWBUS1978]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

You can't go through life like that. No matter how many times you get screwed over in the past / it's no way to live in the present or the future.

I wasn't being serious, just quoting x files.
I seriously can't believe what has been going on these last few weeks on blowout.
Every week or two, we seem to be losing "good" members.

I blame it on the hobby.
It takes a lot of work and cash to maintain a collection.
Lazy people will find anything they can exploit to keep the cash flow going.

Trust those who aren't in it for the money.
Don't trust card "ballers".
Well, maybe you!

[lakesidez]

Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

But he had no intentions of selling to anyone....

So lets say a few days prior all of this backlash someone would have offered him $150 for the card, maybe a Arcia supercollector.........you honestly think the seller in question would say "ahh sorry this is a big joke, the card you won it really is not for sale, I am just posting it for &$&% and giggles". REALLY??!! Come on!!

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

I liked Mike, and enjoyed his threads and ridiculous cards, but I couldn't agree with this post more. I'm not sure which was worse, the attempted scam, or your blatantly arrogant initial responses in the first thread.

Even in his faux apology, he refuses to admit he did this to make money. There were no posts about this here; there was no mention of this to anyone during the process. He kept this quiet until today, when he came on this forum and said "COME SEE THE LEGENDARY ARCIA"

That does not sound like a man who cares about what he had done and even worse, a man who doesn't think what he did was wrong. Only after a Mod likely forced him to write this thing, did he put his words together carefully, making sure not to admit to what he has done 100%.

Looking at this objectively; what is the worst thing a person on this forum can do? It's an internet forum ... a person can say almost anything they want to and it's just words. However, Mike tried to scam someone, whether he wants to admit it or not. Just because he wasn't successful in this instance, doesn't make his intent any less significant.

IF that card sells, and no one knows it's a fake; don't you think we would have seen another inscription auto from another product somewhere down the road? Who would go through this whole scam, be successful and then just quit telling no-one?

He has to go. Doesn't matter what he says, he has to go.

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by lakesidez

So lets say a few days prior all of this backlash someone would have offered him $150 for the card, maybe a Arcia supercollector.........you honestly think the seller in question would say "ahh sorry this is a big joke, the card you won it really is not for sale, I am just posting it for &$&% and giggles". REALLY??!! Come on!!

Pssst i was being sarcastic. This dude is a cancer to this forum and should be removed yesterday. His excuse is a joke, but not like the joke of submitting it and listing it an actual joke that makes you laugh

[37Jetson]

Mike, I hope that you enjoy the rest of your National experience. Each time when security walks by I hope that you don't feel that they might stop back to walk you out to a waiting Rosemont Police Car.

[flagshipchromecollector]

A half-ass excuse for an apology is worse than no apology at all. Come completely clean, hat in hand and genuine, and MAYBE you get back in some folks' good graces. With what you've posted, nobody is going to trust you.

[TXGunslinger]

Originally Posted by mikecancelliere

Looking back at it you're absolutely right

I'm sorry I can't say.

Why can't you say what mod you talked to and what was discussed?

[lakesidez]

Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

Pssst i was being sarcastic. This dude is a cancer to this forum and should be removed yesterday. His excuse is a joke, but not like the joke of submitting it and listing it an actual joke that makes you laugh

Haha oppps sorry......