Steven Tormollan FRAUD probstein123 tntnorthnj dcsports87 dcsportsconsignment nancyyo

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Would you care if you were them? The bad guys continue to win in this hobby. It's wild to think how much money gets funneled to scammers and fraudsters. It's almost like fraud is the status quo -- not the exception.

Exactly.....

Not really different than Wall Street or DC....

Smart wealthy people have ALWAYS preyed on financial idiots.....

[Asian62150]

It's all driven by money. None of the big players/influencers want to call anyone out because they don't want the money train to stop flowing for them or they don't want to get kicked out of the inner circle. They know it's going on, and sadly, they've now started to participate in it.

I've read some articles on trimming that make it seem like it's a taste/preference thing and there's nothing wrong with it.

Sooner or later, some big shot is just going to say there's absolutely nothing wrong with trimming and we should all embrace it. Just like Dr Beckett and Patty Ryan tried to get us to believe there was something called "defensive shilling" and we the sheep should consider it an acceptable practice.

Those of us that enjoy actually collecting, great. It does provide a baseline to keep the hobby going. But at the end of the day, all the big players/companies just care about getting money out of your pocket one way or another. Fanatics has shown they care very little about the collector and way more about maximizing (short-term) profits. Breaker does something shady/unethical? No one bats an eye and life goes on. PSA buys their own cards back and ups the grade? It was just a training exercise, guys! Nothing to see here!

Thank you BODA for your continued excellent work.

#neverforget

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Exactly.....

Not really different than Wall Street or DC....

Smart wealthy people have ALWAYS preyed on financial idiots.....

Those institutions have negative connotations attached to them for a reason. The trading card hobby seems to have avoided that same negative perception, likely because the general public still views it as a harmless kids hobby.

You don't need high intelligence to scam people out of money -- you just need to be convincing and shameless.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Sooner or later, some big shot is just going to say there's absolutely nothing wrong with trimming and we should all embrace it. Just like Dr Beckett and Patty Ryan tried to get us to believe there was something called "defensive shilling" and we the sheep should consider it an acceptable practice.

That's what former NFL player Evan Mathis did a couple of years ago: https://cardlines.com/evan-mathis-card-trimming/

He admitted to trimming his own cards and basically said trimming has been vital to the hobby since grading started: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...e/id1531538073

"The foundation of this whole thing and the way the industry has always worked, there have been people maximizing their cards before grading them."

[larry25]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Those institutions have negative connotations attached to them for a reason. The trading card hobby seems to have avoided that same negative perception, likely because the general public still views it as a harmless kids hobby.

You don't need high intelligence to scam people out of money -- you just need to be convincing and shameless.

Um, no, not really, not remotely. "Sports memorabilia" in particular and cards in general have long had a very, very cringey connotation. I mean, you're talking about grown men who collect little squares of paper with other men's photos on them, along with their dirty shirts, used jock straps, you name it. Sorry, but welcome to the real world... of shade. Now embrace it and go buy a paper cutter!

[stryke3_mb]

If anyone is consignment is honest, it's DCsports87. They routinely ban people for shilling. They have always had zero tolerance since the beginning of their consignment days. If you believe there is shilling going on from someone who has consigned to them, simply let them know. They'll take care of it.

[cholodolo]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

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Sooner or later, some big shot is just going to say there's absolutely nothing wrong with trimming and we should all embrace it. Just like Dr Beckett and Patty Ryan tried to get us to believe there was something called "defensive shilling" and we the sheep should consider it an acceptable practice.

That "defensive shilling" line stuck with me, too. Was repeated on SportsCardsLive for a few months -- "people trying to protect the price of the card" as if that isn't fraudulent.

But you know if someone did the same to a card they were bidding on...

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by larry25

Um, no, not really, not remotely. "Sports memorabilia" in particular and cards in general have long had a very, very cringey connotation. I mean, you're talking about grown men who collect little squares of paper with other men's photos on them, along with their dirty shirts, used jock straps, you name it. Sorry, but welcome to the real world... of shade. Now embrace it and go buy a paper cutter!

You're talking about the negative connotations of the adult men who participate in the sports card and memorabilia hobbies. I'm talking about the sports card hobby itself -- it still has a wholesome, kid-friendly image, even though it should be viewed more like Wall Street for its seediness, emphasis on money, and manipulation.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by cholodolo

That "defensive shilling" line stuck with me, too. Was repeated on SportsCardsLive for a few months -- "people trying to protect the price of the card" as if that isn't fraudulent.

But you know if someone did the same to a card they were bidding on...

If you want to protect the price of your card, put a reserve price on it or start the bidding at the minimum price you'd be willing to accept.

But we all know those tools scare away some potential bidders so instead, let's try to figure out a way around that so the sellers and auction houses can all see additional profits!

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

You're talking about the negative connotations of the adult men who participate in the sports card and memorabilia hobbies. I'm talking about the sports card hobby itself -- it still has a wholesome, kid-friendly image, even though it should be viewed more like Wall Street for its seediness, emphasis on money, and manipulation.

Yes, Wall Street is also incredibly shady. But at least there are some restrictions and regulations.

Sports cards and memorabilia remain the Wild West. Is there a bigger (legal) industry that still uses/prefers the use of cash?

[Nsxice]

Glad someone finally pulled DCsports87 into this, been noticing this for awhile. Even on super low end cards.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

You're talking about the negative connotations of the adult men who participate in the sports card and memorabilia hobbies. I'm talking about the sports card hobby itself -- it still has a wholesome, kid-friendly image, even though it should be viewed more like Wall Street for its seediness, emphasis on money, and manipulation.

So, you're talking about kids getting pulled into a materialistic, money- and greed-driven "hobby" run by fraudulent and often criminal older men?...

Yeah, still very cringey.

I'm sorry you didn't realize this when you got in, but in my 30 years of constantly coming and going from the industry, it has always felt this way, and everyone I know has always felt this way, too, even (especially) those on the fringes. To be fair, though, most capitalist industries have their dark clouds and fraudsters and evil overlords.

The last time it was probably purely kid friendly was circa 1985 or 1986.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by stryke3_mb

If anyone is consignment is honest, it's DCsports87. They routinely ban people for shilling. They have always had zero tolerance since the beginning of their consignment days. If you believe there is shilling going on from someone who has consigned to them, simply let them know. They'll take care of it.

Zero tolerance for shilling, but some tolerance for selling fake patches even after 10+ call them out for it on Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DRSazRGD4_o/

(My personal favorite- "Is 10 the grade or how old you would have to be to believe this wasn't swapped")

[Noles939913]

Since they already trimmed that Mahomes Origins card I’m surprised they didn’t try to slip in a super nasty filthy patch as well.

[Noles939913]

Looked up the last time I made a thread about an altered card and guess who lmao:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1562355

[3124508 on COMC]

Buyer beware. A multitude of fake items consigned by Steven Tormollan are ending tonight at tntnorthnj. They are, as usual, shilled and counterfeit.

[auburn35]

Thought it might be good to document, but the nancyyo account name has been changed to charizardlillli.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Thought it might be good to document, but the nancyyo account name has been changed to charizardlillli.

It is actually charizardlil1li or it was changed again.

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

It is actually charizardlil1li or it was changed again.

You're right. Looks like my copy/paste converted the 1 to l. Thanks for the correction.

[IronCladLou]

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by auburn35

You're right. Looks like my copy/paste converted the 1 to l. Thanks for the correction.

Perhaps a reference to Kevin Burge’s daughter and the liliswarriors eBay ID.

Perhaps a confusing ID just for the sale of trying to be deceptive.

Certainly another woman’s name in the ID to continue the ruse that a woman is running the account.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Thought it might be good to document, but the nancyyo account name has been changed to charizardlillli.

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

It is actually charizardlil1li or it was changed again.

One of the first things fraudsters do when the flashlight hits them.

[TradingCardsLLC]

Isn't there a thread somewhere for posting scammers who sell fake cards? I have a couple ebay sellers to report.

[TradingCardsLLC]

Ebay user bekairall0 sold me a counterfeit shohei ohtani card. I sold the card through comc ebay auctions, the buyer returned it claiming it was fake, I sent it to psa, they said it was fake. I contacted the seller and they said they had bought it "before it made sense to make fake Ohtani cards" when his prices were low.

[3124508 on COMC]

More fake and shilled patches being sold by Probstein. These are being shilled by the charizardlil1li ID (formerly nancyyo).