2025 Topps Disney Genesis (Disney Debut)

[bg17]

My bet is this sells out in minutes and sells VERY WELL on the secondary market.

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[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by bg17

My bet is this sells out in minutes and sells VERY WELL on the secondary market.

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I agree.

[Dukefett]

I like the idea of the set but the card design is awful.

[PoPCulture]

Can’t wait to see what singles prices come out of the gates at. I’m prepared to see /99’s priced at $200 for the first couple of months. Eventually they get down to $10-15 like all of the Chrome /99 parallels do for key characters. (Talking Star Wars specifically) It just sucks to have to wait it out…

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by PoPCulture

Can’t wait to see what singles prices come out of the gates at. I’m prepared to see /99’s priced at $200 for the first couple of months. Eventually they get down to $10-15 like all of the Chrome /99 parallels do for key characters. (Talking Star Wars specifically) It just sucks to have to wait it out…

$200 down to $10 after a couple months?

And that's typically how Star Wars stuff goes?

That's pretty wild. As a collector, I'd happily wait 60 days for a 95% discount.

[PoPCulture]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

$200 down to $10 after a couple months?

And that's typically how Star Wars stuff goes?

That's pretty wild. As a collector, I'd happily wait 60 days for a 95% discount.

To be clear, I’m not saying the cards will sell for $200 but I expect to see them priced high just like with every release. Since 2021 I’ve collected Star Wars sets starting about a year after release and have done very well. I don’t consider it a “discount” because I would never pay the overinflated new release prices. Patience with non sports goes a long way these days. See SW Sapphire for a perfect example.

[glassofwater]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

$200 down to $10 after a couple months?

And that's typically how Star Wars stuff goes?

That's pretty wild. As a collector, I'd happily wait 60 days for a 95% discount.

The dune sets which is very similar to this tells another story

[bub838]

Originally Posted by glassofwater

The dune sets which is very similar to this tells another story

The Dune set is a tenth of the print run of Genesis.

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by bub838

The Dune set is a tenth of the print run of Genesis.

Uh… Dune checklist was 10 cards and this checklist is 100 cards. Dune had base to 150 and this one has base to 99.

[finfangfan]

As a refresher… here’s a link to the Dune thread to see how that one played out in real time… https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1581643

I got one box of Dune for $50 (4 cards with 3 base /150 and my lower parallel was /20). I slabbed 2 of my base (which were the best characters) and sold all 4 cards for just shy of $700 from a $100ish total outlay.

This set will sell out quickly. Plus, most people will be off from work so the website will likely crash. I wonder what the box limit will be per transaction this time around?

[greatgradegrate]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

Uh… Dune checklist was 10 cards and this checklist is 100 cards. Dune had base to 150 and this one has base to 99.

Right, Dune was 500 boxes. This is 5.1k (based off the parallels that were shown).

So instead of a 60 second sellout, maybe this one lasts...a few min?

Probably depends on the price. If these are like $199 I won't even attempt.

[finfangfan]

I think Dune lasted 3 mins based on the posts in thread linked above. It also depends on transaction limit to some extent. I assume there will be some sort of cap. If they cap it to one per transaction (like Dune) then it could also last a little longer by having that speed bump. And you are right… if pack price is prohibitive it could also slow things down a few minutes as well.

If you think about it.. Dune grossed only $25,000 (500 @ $50) so Topps left a lot of money on the table there. That set probably was initially designed to follow Zerocool’s Dutch Auction model but got modified after Zerocool got absorbed into Topps branding after Josh Luber left. This one today would gross at least $250,000 if the box price remains $50 … so there is a sliver of hope… although unlikely… for a sweet price point for us with this introductory set under the Topps global Disney license.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

Uh… Dune checklist was 10 cards and this checklist is 100 cards. Dune had base to 150 and this one has base to 99.

500/5000=0.1

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by bub838

500/5000=0.1

It scales though with 10:1 checklist. So the person who said this set is very similar to Dune is correct even though I took your post as meaning you thought they were incorrect in saying the sets were similar.

There is an additional difference of the highest print run of the highest print parallel card in this set (99) being lower than Dune (150). So I don’t think this sets secondary card values drop dramatically as the person said above and the Dune set comparison is probably more accurate.

At any rate, about 2+ hours until we get locked out of buying any of this anyway… lol.

[CardCollector19]

Anyone else having issues logging into their Topps account?

Both my wife and I it’s telling us incorrect password (even though it’s correct) and when you do a password reset the link in the email brings you to a page that doesn’t exist on topps site.

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by CardCollector19

Anyone else having issues logging into their Topps account?

Both my wife and I it’s telling us incorrect password (even though it’s correct) and when you do a password reset the link in the email brings you to a page that doesn’t exist on topps site.

I didn’t have that issue… so not sure what’s up.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

It scales though with 10:1 checklist. So the person who said this set is very similar to Dune is correct even though I took your post as meaning you thought they were incorrect in saying the sets were similar.

There is an additional difference of the highest print run of the highest print parallel card in this set (99) being lower than Dune (150). So I don’t think this sets secondary card values drop dramatically as the person said above and the Dune set comparison is probably more accurate.

At any rate, about 2+ hours until we get locked out of buying any of this anyway… lol.

It all comes down to whether you’re interested in the print run because youre someone investing in boxes (maybe flipping them) or someone buying up singles.

To the sealed box person, you have 5k boxes out there in the ‘universe’ of your collectible. Dune being only 500 boxes should see those sealed boxes being quite scarce. And this print run is a big difference.

To the singles person, finfang’s point is spot on and it washes out.

[PumpnDumpling]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

It all comes down to whether you’re interested in the print run because youre someone investing in boxes (maybe flipping them) or someone buying up singles.

To the sealed box person, you have 5k boxes out there in the ‘universe’ of your collectible. Dune being only 500 boxes should see those sealed boxes being quite scarce. And this print run is a big difference.

To the singles person, finfang’s point is spot on and it washes out.

Demand ALWAYS trumps Scarcity

The Dune thing was weird, still seems mostly contrived nonsense to me and NOT organic at all

Timing was the X factor, Flipping was the Y

[nextlevel10]

I was a huge fan of the Dune product (and still own a few boxes), but am also interested in Disney. Wouldn’t it be fair to say that the fan base/interest in Dune is also 10% or less than the fan base of Disney/Marvel/Star Wars?

[PumpnDumpling]

Originally Posted by nextlevel10

I was a huge fan of the Dune product (and still own a few boxes), but am also interested in Disney. Wouldn’t it be fair to say that the fan base/interest in Dune is also 10% or less than the fan base of Disney/Marvel/Star Wars?

1% would probably be more accurate

[finfangfan]

With packs being 5 cards … I wonder if they will be allocated one per property: SW, Pixar, Disney, Marvel Comics, and Marvel Cinematic Universe? Or if the properties will be unequally allocated among boxes?

I could see people collecting this multiple ways… Many might just go for the 20 card subset of specific interest.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by PumpnDumpling

Demand ALWAYS trumps Scarcity

The Dune thing was weird, still seems mostly contrived nonsense to me and NOT organic at all

Timing was the X factor, Flipping was the Y

Absolutely. I don’t mean to imply even from a sealed box perspective Dune’s will be more valuable in the long run. Just that it’s probably going to be scarcer. If after years, there are 150 sealed Dune boxes out there and 1500 Disney Genesis boxes, if Disney is 25x more demanded, it can certainly be a good deal more valuable.

[njsportscardguy]

No [pre]live links, yet,...correct...? Only..."Coming Soon"....?

What's the guesstimate as to SRP....?

TIA

[PumpnDumpling]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

With packs being 5 cards … I wonder if they will be allocated one per property: SW, Pixar, Disney, Marvel Comics, and Marvel Cinematic Universe? Or if the properties will be unequally allocated among boxes?

Prbly random me thinks, doubt they are putting much effort into this

[Gurds]

$100/box

$999/case

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