Tom Brady 1/1 Fleer Masterpiece owner has card signed IP

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

The card is no longer in its original pack-issued form.

That guy just committed a major hobby crime.

The real question is does this fall under the jurisdiction of the Hobby FBI or BO Local Authorities?

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

I'm more upset you shared that hack X account that the fact the card is signed

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

The real question is does this fall under the jurisdiction of the Hobby FBI or BO Local Authorities?

I think Space Force

[Noles939913]

Why not just get a base card signed? Or buy one of his thousands or so pack pulled autos? With that being said it’s his card.

[rms13]

I'm a huge Brady fan but his signature sucks

[JWBlue]

Some people have money to burn.

[4barrel]

I think it adds to the story of the card, knowing Tom held that card in his hand to sign it.

Would it have been better to have the card slabbed first, then let Tom sign the slab and have that authenticated?

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by 4barrel

I think it adds to the story of the card, knowing Tom held that card in his hand to sign it.

Would it have been better to have the card slabbed first, then let Tom sign the slab and have that authenticated?

Can you be 100% sure Brady actually signed it? PDA/dna has allowed numerous fraudulent signatures to pass inspection over the years and continues to do so.

For me, a secondary market IP signature only holds significance for the person who actually obtained the autograph in person and means very little to the next person who buys it.

The only story that has been added is that the card has been ruined. Future generations will no longer be able to appreciate it in its factory released form.

It’s like adding eye shadow and lash extensions to the Mona Lisa.

[byronscott4ever]

Originally Posted by rms13

I'm a huge Brady fan but his signature sucks

Imagine if this was signed at that event where TB cared little about his auto…

[rmw10]

Think some of y'all greatly underestimate the IP auto market. That's my primary collection and it has absolutely exploded in recent years. This definitely segments a portion of the market if he were to ever sell this, but this also becomes a grail for someone that collects IP and has the funds.

[4barrel]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Can you be 100% sure Brady actually signed it? PDA/dna has allowed numerous fraudulent signatures to pass inspection over the years and continues to do so.

For me, a secondary market IP signature only holds significance for the person who actually obtained the autograph in person and means very little to the next person who buys it.

The only story that has been added is that the card has been ruined. Future generations will no longer be able to appreciate it in its factory released form.

It’s like adding eye shadow and lash extensions to the Mona Lisa.

If da Vinci added the eye shadow, maybe not.

I disagree with you somewhat. We’ve learned that just because Panini prints that they guarantee the autograph on their pack pulled cards doesn’t mean Shaq or Luka (Lulu) or LaMello Ball or whoever didn’t really sign it either.

People all the time say it’s pointless to grade a 1/1 because it’s still a 1/1. It doesn’t hurt the value if it gets a 9 instead of a 10. I kinda feel the same about this. It’s still a 1/1. It’s not like some random kid destroyed it by sticking a thumb tack through the card and pinned it to his bedroom wall. Tom signed that card, and it’s still a 1/1.

Just my opinion.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Can you be 100% sure Brady actually signed it? PDA/dna has allowed numerous fraudulent signatures to pass inspection over the years and continues to do so.

For me, a secondary market IP signature only holds significance for the person who actually obtained the autograph in person and means very little to the next person who buys it.

The only story that has been added is that the card has been ruined. Future generations will no longer be able to appreciate it in its factory released form.

It’s like adding eye shadow and lash extensions to the Mona Lisa.

Completely Agree. Card is altered and should be designated as such by grading companies.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by 4barrel

If da Vinci added the eye shadow, maybe not.

I disagree with you somewhat. We’ve learned that just because Panini prints that they guarantee the autograph on their pack pulled cards doesn’t mean Shaq or Luka (Lulu) or LaMello Ball or whoever didn’t really sign it either.

People all the time say it’s pointless to grade a 1/1 because it’s still a 1/1. It doesn’t hurt the value if it gets a 9 instead of a 10. I kinda feel the same about this. It’s still a 1/1. It’s not like some random kid destroyed it by sticking a thumb tack through the card and pinned it to his bedroom wall. Tom signed that card, and it’s still a 1/1.

Just my opinion.

Or more like, Mona Lisa added the eye shadow a quarter century later.

At least when panini produces the card, it comes out of the pack certified by the company. There is a big difference between pulling a 2017 Prizm Patrick Mahomes on card rookie auto versus having a pack pulled 2017 Prizm Mahomes rookie signed IP by Mahomes 24 years later, or even a day later for that matter.

All the grade does is give a second opinion about the condition of the card, it doesn’t change it’s population, only it’s grade population.

[4barrel]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Or more like, Mona Lisa added the eye shadow a quarter century later.

At least when panini produces the card, it comes out of the pack certified by the company. There is a big difference between pulling a 2017 Prizm Patrick Mahomes on card rookie auto versus having a pack pulled 2017 Prizm Mahomes rookie signed IP by Mahomes 24 years later, or even a day later for that matter.

All the grade does is give a second opinion about the condition of the card, it doesn’t change it’s population, only it’s grade population.

Tom autographing a 1/1 doesn’t change its population either though. An in person signed base card of Patrick Mahomes is absolutely a different situation than an in person signed 1/1. It’s still a 1/1.

Just my opinion.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by 4barrel

Tom autographing a 1/1 doesn’t change its population either though. An in person signed base card of Patrick Mahomes is absolutely a different situation than an in person signed 1/1. It’s still a 1/1.

Just my opinion.

So in my example, it would be like comparing a pack pulled 2017 prizm black 1/1 auto of mahomes versus pulling his prizm black 1/1 and getting it signed IP a quarter century later.

I place significantly more value to the pack pulled original autographed card, not the after market autographed card. It’s not worthless, but it’s worth a lot less to me.

I’d rather have an unsigned original 1/1 over an aftermarket auto.

[4barrel]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

So in my example, it would be like comparing a pack pulled 2017 prizm black 1/1 auto of mahomes versus pulling his prizm black 1/1 and getting it signed IP a quarter century later.

I place significantly more value to the pack pulled original autographed card, not the after market autographed card. It’s not worthless, but it’s worth a lot less to me.

I’d rather have an unsigned original 1/1 over an aftermarket auto.

Is there a pack pulled autographed version of the card this thread is discussing? If so, obviously it’s worth more. But that doesn’t hurt the value of this 1/1. It just means the pack pulled is and likely always has been worth more, and that if you had the option to choose, you’d pick the pack pulled auto. But if given the choice between the pack pulled auto and this card prior to it being signed in person, you’d still choose the pack pulled. You weren’t ever valuing the non-pack pulled card, signed or not signed, over the pack pulled anyways. Right?

It went from being the only one of its kind in existence to still being the only one of its kind in existence.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by 4barrel

Is there a pack pulled autographed version of the card this thread is discussing? If so, obviously it’s worth more. But that doesn’t hurt the value of this 1/1. It just means the pack pulled is and likely always has been worth more, and that if you had the option to choose, you’d pick the pack pulled auto. But if given the choice between the pack pulled auto and this card prior to it being signed in person, you’d still choose the pack pulled. You weren’t ever valuing the non-pack pulled card , signed or not signed, over the pack pulled anyways. Right?

It went from being the only one of its kind in existence to still being the only one of its kind in existence.

There is no manufacturer signed version of this card.

There is only the unsigned masterpiece in existence. Unfortunately, the unsigned original version no longer exists anymore. It has been defaced forever.

I’m not saying the defaced version is worthless, it’s just become an aftermarket, much like how original sketch cards can be altered into aftermarket productions.

Many people consider the original form sacred. Defacing a unique piece of history like this is sacrilegious, in my opinion.

At least the owner didn’t have the card personalized to him, that would have been an even greater debacle. Imagine if it said, “To Wilbur - my greatest fan, TB”.

Card graffiti - don’t do it on 1/1’s. The Hobby FBI needs to investigate this one.

[4barrel]

Meh. It’s still a 1/1 and the only one in existence. Personal opinion…

[mc1]

Originally Posted by 4barrel

Meh. It’s still a 1/1 and the only one in existence. Personal opinion…

Theres actually two of these 1/1s. One is likely a backdoored or sheet cut card.

[boxbuster7]

I mean odds are brady did sign the card...only a crazy person would fake a autograph on a million dollar rc

[foleylion08]

Originally Posted by mc1

Theres actually two of these 1/1s. One is likely a backdoored or sheet cut card.

Now the "other" 1/1 is more of a 1/1, right? Now we have auto and non-auto versions

[jasonm2121]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Can you be 100% sure Brady actually signed it? PDA/dna has allowed numerous fraudulent signatures to pass inspection over the years and continues to do so.

For me, a secondary market IP signature only holds significance for the person who actually obtained the autograph in person and means very little to the next person who buys it.

The only story that has been added is that the card has been ruined. Future generations will no longer be able to appreciate it in its factory released form.

It’s like adding eye shadow and lash extensions to the Mona Lisa.

Yes, you can be sure it was signed by Brady. The owner had this signed at Fanatics HQ and was witnessed by a handful of employees and it is documented with photos and videos.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by jasonm2121

Yes, you can be sure it was signed by Brady. The owner had this signed at Fanatics HQ and was witnessed by a handful of employees and it is documented with photos and videos.

Still ruins the card for me, regardless, because it’s the masterpiece.

I would have just gotten a base flair showcase rookie signed instead. Or even a bowman chrome.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by jasonm2121

Yes, you can be sure it was signed by Brady. The owner had this signed at Fanatics HQ and was witnessed by a handful of employees and it is documented with photos and videos.

Did they fingerprint Brady to make sure it was actually him and not an imposter?

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Did they fingerprint Brady to make sure it was actually him and not an imposter?

Could be Matt Damon’s signature.