Trevor Bauer

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by base set

ERA in Mexico?

everything else is going to be tl;dr

1.70 ERA, 1.000 WHIP, 12.9 K/9

I'd gladly take him on the Braves for the rest of the season.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

I mean if you can’t see that he’s just as arrogant as ever, I’m not sure you’re trying to look at this objectively

Also the reds GM did an interview and he was adamant about never bringing Bauer back due to Bauer’s time in Cincy and that was months before he went to the dodgers.

So did he change everything so quickly for the dodgers?

Also maybe Mookie is just being nice and not trying to crap on a guy either.

All I’m saying is there’s a mountain of evidence of him being bad in the clubhouse/a cancer/lots of in general problems, and you’re saying basically a couple sentences of support by Mookie vastly outweighs literally everything else

That doesn’t make any sense

Ultimately I don't care. He's likely not going to end up on the team I root for so I have no real personal stake. But I also look at all the guys who've had second and third chances after being suspended for PED, drugs and domestic violence and it just looks very hypocritical to black ball Bauer because he got suspended for a crime that he was aquited of.

[JWBlue]

Everyone says he is a clubhouse cancer buy why is this? Yeah he does unusual stuff off the field but none of that impacts teammates. How does an accusation of sexual assault effect teammates? We are not talking about Barry Bonds here where most teammates didn't like.

Trevor Bauer is not unlikeable. Just different.

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by rms13

Ultimately I don't care. He's likely not going to end up on the team I root for so I have no real personal stake. But I also look at all the guys who've had second and third chances after being suspended for PED, drugs and domestic violence and it just looks very hypocritical to black ball Bauer because he got suspended for a crime that he was aquited of.

To be fair, he was not acquitted. They settled out of court. Settling out of court does not mean you were acquitted

Why does everyone think a jury found him innocent? I find this baffling that it’s some kind of widely believed thing when it’s very easily accessible that it was an out of court settlement

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

Everyone says he is a clubhouse cancer buy why is this? Yeah he does unusual stuff off the field but none of that impacts teammates. How does an accusation of sexual assault effect teammates? We are not talking about Barry Bonds here where most teammates didn't like.

Trevor Bauer is not unlikeable. Just different.

If you’re an a**hole in the locker room, that makes you a cancer. Many things can make someone a locker room cancer. It can even be as much as no one wants to be around you because they just don’t like you. But if it’s everyone, then that holds a lot of weight

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

To be fair, he was not acquitted. They settled out of court. Settling out of court does not mean you were acquitted

Why does everyone think a jury found him innocent? I find this baffling that it’s some kind of widely believed thing when it’s very easily accessible that it was an out of court settlement

Correct. He was not acquitted...because he was never charged. A jury didn't have to find him innocent because no grand jury ever even found probable cause that an offense was committed.

And the settlement of the civil case you reference resulted in exactly zero dollars being paid.

[EBCollectibles]

He was never charged. People made him guilty from the get go. Then she was charged for defrauding. Then you have these players has been charging for domestic violence playing now like nothing ever happened.

Speaking of black balled.

[Hollywood42]

"Trevor Bauer is not unlikeable"

[JRX]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Correct. He was not acquitted...because he was never charged. A jury didn't have to find him innocent because no grand jury ever even found probable cause that an offense was committed.

And the settlement of the civil case you reference resulted in exactly zero dollars being paid.

There wasn't even a prosecutor that thought there was enough to bring to a grand jury.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by rms13

Ultimately I don't care. He's likely not going to end up on the team I root for so I have no real personal stake. But I also look at all the guys who've had second and third chances after being suspended for PED, drugs and domestic violence and it just looks very hypocritical to black ball Bauer because he got suspended for a crime that he was aquited of.

Is it hypocritical or is it indicative of how deeply unlikable he is by the people that have worked with him?

As you said, worse people have gotten second and even third chances in sports. There's the mantra that winning fixes everything. Teams/Players will put up with a lot if it means a chance at winning.

But, here we are. Bauer still looks like he can contribute and compete. He's ready to play but no one has signed him. Why?

Forget all of the sexual assault allegations. I'd speculate he's been black balled because truly no one wants to work with him or be around him. We don't actually know how players feel about this guy behind closed doors.

[discostu]

It's terrifying how much traction a singular source's (and one with zero history of credibility) tweet generated.

Clicks are dollars, and dollars are more important than any semblance of truth.

[duwal]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

Everyone says he is a clubhouse cancer buy why is this? Yeah he does unusual stuff off the field but none of that impacts teammates. How does an accusation of sexual assault effect teammates? We are not talking about Barry Bonds here where most teammates didn't like.

that is false as well

[JRX]

Originally Posted by bub838

Is it hypocritical or is it indicative of how deeply unlikable he is by the people that have worked with him?

As you said, worse people have gotten second and even third chances in sports. There's the mantra that winning fixes everything. Teams/Players will put up with a lot if it means a chance at winning.

But, here we are. Bauer still looks like he can contribute and compete. He's ready to play but no one has signed him. Why?

Forget all of the sexual assault allegations. I'd speculate he's been black balled because truly no one wants to work with him or be around him. We don't actually know how players feel about this guy behind closed doors.

His biggest problem is he won't ever shut up. I've never seen Marcell Ozuna on social media. Jose Reyes didn't tweet constantly. Bauer should have his social media taken away from him and he'd be back in the majors.

[whitmm]

I don't think his clubhouse behavior has anything to do with why he's been blackballed. And at this point, I don't think it's the allegations either, anymore. The allegations may have been the excuse to suspend him and get him to the spot he could be "blackballed."

But remember, Trevor was one of the loudest people when it came to using spider-tack. He's the one they basically came out and said that if the league isn't going to do anything about it that he was going to take it to the extremes. And he called them out for their mid-season decision to start checking guys.

[EBCollectibles]

Originally Posted by JRX

His biggest problem is he won't ever shut up. I've never seen Marcell Ozuna on social media. Jose Reyes didn't tweet constantly. Bauer should have his social media taken away from him and he'd be back in the majors.

He was to busy hitting someone to be on social media and Bauer was doing a lot of innocent pleading on social media. Which Ozuna could not do.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

To be fair, he was not acquitted. They settled out of court. Settling out of court does not mean you were acquitted

Why does everyone think a jury found him innocent? I find this baffling that it’s some kind of widely believed thing when it’s very easily accessible that it was an out of court settlement

I find it baffling that while he wasn't acquitted that is so hard to see that he was never charged??

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by JRX

His biggest problem is he won't ever shut up. I've never seen Marcell Ozuna on social media. Jose Reyes didn't tweet constantly. Bauer should have his social media taken away from him and he'd be back in the majors.

Ozuna is ok because he didn't tweet about his crimes?? Got it.

[Chris Lyle]

I'm not sticking up for the guy. He was very frustrating in Cleveland. He wasn't as unliked as some say, but he wasn't well liked either. He is not some angelic person, by any stretch of the imagination, but something I'm confused by is why can't someone point out being baffled by the hypocrisy of the Bauer case versus others and have that opinion without being painted as a apologist or being ok with all of Bauer's actions??

[rms13]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

If you’re an a**hole in the locker room, that makes you a cancer. Many things can make someone a locker room cancer. It can even be as much as no one wants to be around you because they just don’t like you. But if it’s everyone, then that holds a lot of weight

Which team did you play on with Bauer?

[EBCollectibles]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Ozuna is ok because he didn't tweet about his crimes?? Got it.

JRX must live on another planet.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by duwal

that is false as well

Exactly. As far as I know, Jeff Kent didn't like Bonds. And Jeff Kent seems like more of an A-hole then Bonds. The real problem with Bonds is like Jim Rice, the reporters didn't like him. The media controls the narrative.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by bub838

Is it hypocritical or is it indicative of how deeply unlikable he is by the people that have worked with him?

As you said, worse people have gotten second and even third chances in sports. There's the mantra that winning fixes everything. Teams/Players will put up with a lot if it means a chance at winning.

But, here we are. Bauer still looks like he can contribute and compete. He's ready to play but no one has signed him. Why?

Forget all of the sexual assault allegations. I'd speculate he's been black balled because truly no one wants to work with him or be around him. We don't actually know how players feel about this guy behind closed doors.

I thought the real reason Bauer was black balled is because he called out MLB or some of the teams front office or something. And of course the real reason is probably related to him supporting Trump in 2016

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by rms13

I thought the real reason Bauer was black balled is because he called out MLB or some of the teams front office or something. And of course the real reason is probably related to him supporting Trump in 2016

He was the one being most vocal about the league not doing anything about sticky tack and then the loudest about them deciding to start checking in the middle of the season.

[nowiamsad]

Imagine being all over Bauer’s nuts at every opportunity. The guy is an annoying POS, who cares if he can pitch.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by EBCollectibles

He was never charged. People made him guilty from the get go. Then she was charged for defrauding. Then you have these players has been charging for domestic violence playing now like nothing ever happened.

Speaking of black balled.

There's also the part where there was an MLB investigation for which an independent arbitrator found a 193 game suspension to be warranted within the constraints of the collective bargaining agreement. There's a reason teams aren't touching him and it has nothing to do with his ability on the field.

Even when he signed with the Dodgers before any of this stuff happened, he had a reputation that the GM had to vouch for, after which he was immediately made to look stupid. I can't imagine there's a ton of GMs that want to have to deal with that liability as evidenced by nobody signing him despite obvious needs.