Who peaked higher in terms of hobby popularity? Mattingly or Canseco?

[jplarson]

Are we arguing peaks and spikes now?

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by jplarson

Are we arguing peaks and spikes now?

We can do it!

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by jplarson

Are we arguing peaks and spikes now?

This is BO. Everything sports card and sports related is to be argued.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by larry25

Mattingly's 1984 Donruss rookie card was THEE spark of the rookie card craze. Until then, no one really cared what a rookie card was. Growing up in the 80s, that's how I remember it at least.

This is definitely true, and Mattingly’s RC heavily built upon Joe Charbeneau’s RC.

Canseco’s card didn’t build on Mattingly’s though, the 40/40 thing is what drove interest in his cards, and if he didn’t reach 40/40 it’s peak would’ve been half as great.

[stevebay]

Trying to embed a photo here, but not working. But, here's an Animated Canseco





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[stevebay]

Sorry, double delete post

[MoreToppsPlease]

It’s humorous to think that 97% of respondents are at least 40 years old

[no10pin]

When I was thinking about each player's peak collectability, I was thinking more the past 15-20 years being Canseco's peak. Mouschi had several competitors for rarer Canseco stuff, and the prices were crazy for awhile.

[eye4talent]

I’m a NorCal guy, and I seem to recall Mattingly being a bigger deal. I don’t know about print runs and whether that had anything to do with it, but the Mattingly ‘84 Donruss was probably the biggest card of the decade. I don’t recall Canseco’s ‘86 Donruss RR reaching quite the same height, nor do I remember his other XRC’s and RC’s competing with Mattingly’s Fleer and Topps rookies.


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[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by no10pin

When I was thinking about each player's peak collectability, I was thinking more the past 15-20 years being Canseco's peak. Mouschi had several competitors for rarer Canseco stuff, and the prices were crazy for awhile.

The big difference is that Mattingly doesn’t have cards in those sets.

[Archangel1775]

I had a couple Tuff Stuff's laying around from 1998 and 1999. The 1986 Donruss Canseco in March 98' was listed at $12. In October '99 it was listed at $40 and was down from the previous month. He had a power surge in 1998 and hit 46 home runs. The hobby saw him hitting 500 home runs. The card definitely was a roller coaster in value between time periods. The Mattingly seemed to stay consistent from $35-$55 from 1990 on.

[f2tornado]

I'll go with Jose. His stuff was insane in 1987-1989 along with "Bash Bros" McGwire. A couple WS appearances didn't hurt. Poor Donnie played for some historically crappy Yankees teams.

[ScooterD]

I voted that it was too close to call. Canseco’s flame was hotter for a period, but Donnie’s burned longer (and didn’t get dimmed by the steroid stuff)

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I thought the whole question is about the "spikes." If the question is "peaked" then Conseco peaked higher. The spike we remember from Conseco's 40/40 season for those 5 minutes is precisely the peak this question was asking about.

I get that and it’s a reasonable point. But I’m talking about one card vs a player. The 86 Donrus Canseco is the only one that had any interest. All of Mattingly’s cards were collected. Player vs player, Mattingly’s spike/peak was higher and longer. Debating a specific card vs another card is different than a player vs player. The question was Mattingly vs Canseco, not 86 donruss vs 84 donruss.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

I get that and it’s a reasonable point. But I’m talking about one card vs a player. The 86 Donrus Canseco is the only one that had any interest. All of Mattingly’s cards were collected. Player vs player, Mattingly’s spike/peak was higher and longer. Debating a specific card vs another card is different than a player vs player. The question was Mattingly vs Canseco, not 86 donruss vs 84 donruss.

Interesting - part of Hobby Popularity that can actually be measured, and not just opinion based ( I quickly chose and stick with Canseco ~ based on my experience and belief ) could be Card Sales. That’s not feasible here because of the different years / products each were featured in.

So, if it can’t be quantified thru Sales, there is no definitive answer - it’s all case by case as each of us recall / believe / feel ( even though I am shocked at the number of smart collectors who ‘feel’ the answer is Mattingly - completely dumbfounded by that! )

[oldgoldy97]

That’s because they aren’t understanding the question like the majority are.

[awz50]

I did not read the question carefully.

Jose had a much higher peak

[larry25]

Originally Posted by KRAVEN4LIFE

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Sorry, but Tony Gwynn's rookie card in the late 1980s was not a thing to be compared with the two cards in the question of this post.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by awz50

I did not read the question carefully.

Jose had a much higher peak

Ok, but then can we consider current times open to those peaks? I mean, Mattingly's prices are peaking again, aren't they. Didn't the entire hobby just peak again? And prices for Donnie's 84 RCs are rather high, still, way stronger than Jose's rookies. Shoot, his 1984 Topps Tiffany is a 5-figure card.

Regarding the age of respondents, my guesstimate is that you would have to be about 45-55+ to remember the madness over Donnie's rookies in the late 1980s, whereas you could be 30-40 and remember the Jose madness.

I chose Mattingly just because he was the forerunner. Another poster mentioned Joe Charboneau from 1981 Topps, which is true, but nowhere near the scale and madness and prices of Mattingly.

Mattingly was the godfather or the pioneer of rookie cards. Really, it's true.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by larry25

Mattingly's 1984 Donruss rookie card was THEE spark of the rookie card craze. Until then, no one really cared what a rookie card was. Growing up in the 80s, that's how I remember it at least.

No, Hank Aaron's RC started the RC craze when he broke Babe Ruth's HR record. Mark Fidrych was the first current year RC that was chased in 1977. Don Mattingly was just the hot RC in 1984 until the traded and update sets came out. Then it was Dwight Gooden.

Jose Canseco had the higher peak because the hobby was more popular at Canseco's peak.

[Baraka]

[rats60]

Originally Posted by larry25

Ok, but then can we consider current times open to those peaks? I mean, Mattingly's prices are peaking again, aren't they. Didn't the entire hobby just peak again? And prices for Donnie's 84 RCs are rather high, still, way stronger than Jose's rookies. Shoot, his 1984 Topps Tiffany is a 5-figure card.

Regarding the age of respondents, my guesstimate is that you would have to be about 45-55+ to remember the madness over Donnie's rookies in the late 1980s, whereas you could be 30-40 and remember the Jose madness.

I chose Mattingly just because he was the forerunner. Another poster mentioned Joe Charboneau from 1981 Topps, which is true, but nowhere near the scale and madness and prices of Mattingly.

Mattingly was the godfather or the pioneer of rookie cards. Really, it's true.

Mattingly wasn't even the most expensive RC of 1984.

[cardsin47]

[QUOTE=rats60;19136691]Mattingly wasn't even the most expensive RC of 1984.[/QUOTE

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

I’m intrigued- who then? ( if you’re right, I’m not catching anything with my aging brain )

It would have to be the Fleer Update guys (Clemens, Puckett, Gooden)

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by no10pin

It would have to be the Fleer Update guys (Clemens, Puckett, Gooden)

Off topic - but that was my favorite set for decades. If it came factory sealed, I’d probably still have a bunch. But man, the centering issues were BRUTAL