Jalen Hurts - Why no love on Blowout?

[marinocollector]

Originally Posted by marinocollector

Here's my hot take OP. Jalen was not 100% for the Super Bowl. Biggest stage, he couldn't show off the monster he became and was in the beginning half of the season. He was efficient and a great leader, but he does not have the "It" factor. The Eagles were played up as the "bad guys" of the Super Bowl, and the Eagles offensive scores felt more like the "beating up on the good guy" machines that have been villainized by Hollywood. The Eagles are a forced to be reckoned with, and will be for a long time IMO. That is squarely on the shoulder of Hurts, who definitely is a strong leader and had a HUGE leap this off season thanks to coaches and getting rid of the WR who dropped everything and replacing him with AJ frickin Brown.

If you're an Eagles fan and like Hurts? I would STFU and buy everything I could afford ASAP because after 2-3 more winning seasons, I don't think you be able to anymore.

I'd also mention other things about Philly and that fan base, but I'll let others point that out.

I think it must be said, Jalen has lost AJ Brown's respect. He seems to keep regressing and that calm cool head, is coming across and emotionless and not inspiring to his teammates.
The locker room may be gone and if that's the case, Hurts won't be there for long.
Last year they looked like a machine. This season they look like something is just missing. I think IF Hurts was injured badly and it was effecting his game, AJ Brown does not publicly rail him.
Honestly, as much Purdy gets called a system QB, Hurts has shown he is one. I felt with his emergence as well as adding Brown, Smith and Swift, Hurts would be a cog that the hobby would give the credit to. As it stands, Hurts has the most weapons in the NFL and cannot get it done. Even with AJ Brown out, he still had tons of ammo and just could not lead his team when down 16-9.

[mjekase]

Originally Posted by marinocollector

Even with AJ Brown out, he still had tons of ammo and just could not lead his team when down 16-9.

Hurts should share some of the blame, but the analysis from Aikman last night - on more than one occasion - spoke volumes about where the main issues have been with this offense. Just comically bad playcalling. If it's true that Hurts wanted more short-to-intermediate stuff, crossing routes, etc. in the playbook, it's obvious that he's right when you see what you saw over the past few weeks.

[pejc300]

He was so impressive in the Super Bowl. I was most impressed with his arm. The guy was dropping dimes. I’m a believer.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by pejc300

He was so impressive in the Super Bowl. I was most impressed with his arm. The guy was dropping dimes. I’m a believer.

So I've rewatched the Super Bowl several times and have listened to a few of the top analysts break down his game and how the Chiefs played him. To sum it up:

The Chiefs sold out to stop the Eagles running backs and dared to put the entire game on the back of Hurts. That meant making him keep the ball in the run game by not committing defensive linemen to him, and giving him beatable coverages, provided he could make good throws. They knew he'd make plays, but bet that he'd make enough mistakes to give them a chance to win.

And you know what? He almost did enough to beat them. I still can't decide if it was the right strategy or not: On one hand, he dropped 35 points on you. On the other hand, you won the Super Bowl.

A high stakes game of chess was being played there.

[blockedbyjames]

Originally Posted by tjforce

So I've rewatched the Super Bowl several times and have listened to a few of the top analysts break down his game and how the Chiefs played him. To sum it up:

The Chiefs sold out to stop the Eagles running backs and dared to put the entire game on the back of Hurts. That meant making him keep the ball in the run game by not committing defensive linemen to him, and giving him beatable coverages, provided he could make good throws. They knew he'd make plays, but bet that he'd make enough mistakes to give them a chance to win.

And you know what? He almost did enough to beat them. I still can't decide if it was the right strategy or not: On one hand, he dropped 35 points on you. On the other hand, you won the Super Bowl.

A high stakes game of chess was being played there.

my op, the defensive game plan actually stunk. As someone rooting for the chiefs, thank goodness Jalen was barely only the 2nd best player on the field and not the 1st. Thanks to some more magic from the best player in the country and the best coach, the chiefs got lucky out-scheming against clearly better Eagles players. The Eagles would've destroyed any other team that day.

[pejc300]

For sure. But he just didn’t miss. Plenty of QBs miss with bad coverage. But Hurts was hitting beautiful spots on 3 and 14s and the ball placement was perfect. He impresses the heck out of me.

[boxbuster7]

I think the simple answer is he lost in the super bowl. That said I am a fan of his and think he deserves to be at the top of the list of young QB with Burrow.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by brock

[I] Is it because people hate the Eagles and their fans? Is it because few people here own his cards?

Seem to be the prevailing themes, at least from my interpretation.

I personally think he's amazing, and had a tremendous Super Bowl performance.

But you're rarely going to get much discussion here on players that don't own equity in the BO investerboi hivemind.


We also have to remember the entire market is down, including Mahomes. Jalen winning the SB probably wouldn't have done much for his prices, either.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Seem to be the prevailing themes, at least from my interpretation.

I personally think he's amazing, and had a tremendous Super Bowl performance.

But you're rarely going to get much discussion here on players that don't own equity in the BO investerboi hivemind.


We also have to remember the entire market is down, including Mahomes. Jalen winning the SB probably wouldn't have done much for his prices, either.

It would've done more for his prices than mahomes winning

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

It would've done more for his prices than mahomes winning

Perhaps after a brief lull.

People never learn. Every year following a super bowl victory, the winning QB's prices drop due to the sudden influx of everyone rushing to cash in at the same time. Hell, it even happened to Foles.


Buy the rumor, sell the news.

[tconte]

I live in the Philadelphia area. Love the Eagles!
However, I don’t think there’s a lot of hobby love for Jalen. The fact is today’s players have way too many rookie card options. The card companies are quickly killing the hobby.


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[weeds73]

Originally Posted by tconte

I live in the Philadelphia area. Love the Eagles!
However, I don’t think there’s a lot of hobby love for Jalen. The fact is today’s players have way too many rookie card options. The card companies are quickly killing the hobby.


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Does he have a big hobby following with the eagle fan base? Not sure what Philly fans are like with respect to sports card collecting for their own teams. If I were a Philly fan, I would be pretty excited about him and the young group of receivers he has.


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[tconte]

Originally Posted by weeds73

Does he have a big hobby following with the eagle fan base? Not sure what Philly fans are like with respect to sports card collecting for their own teams. If I were a Philly fan, I would be pretty excited about him and the young group of receivers he has.


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I'm not sure. I don't follow modern football like I do baseball or basketball.
Most of my football collecting is vintage or 1980's to 90's. I do have a
few. A couple dealer friends in the area tell me they do move some Hurts
but his prices are not going crazy. He's definitely a great up and coming
star. Whether that translates to big increases in card prices is anyone's
guess.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by tconte

I'm not sure. I don't follow modern football like I do baseball or basketball.
Most of my football collecting is vintage or 1980's to 90's. I do have a
few. A couple dealer friends in the area tell me they do move some Hurts
but his prices are not going crazy. He's definitely a great up and coming
star. Whether that translates to big increases in card prices is anyone's
guess.

Could be that people are finally getting weary of throwing money as young QBs after the absolute collapse of markets for guys like Zack Wilson, Trey Lance, Mac Jones, etc.

And sure, you can argue that Hurts has done more than Burrow, and is younger, and has been healthier, but he also carries the ball a lot more, and we've seen that turn into a hobby disaster in the past for a number of guys.

[weeds73]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Could be that people are finally getting weary of throwing money as young QBs after the absolute collapse of markets for guys like Zack Wilson, Trey Lance, Mac Jones, etc.

And sure, you can argue that Hurts has done more than Burrow, and is younger, and has been healthier, but he also carries the ball a lot more, and we've seen that turn into a hobby disaster in the past for a number of guys.

Probably right. Lots of people got burned by Lamar Jackson as well, who seems to have some similarities to Hurts. Should represent some opportunity for Hurts collectors if you believe he has a long window for success.

Here’s a hot take. If the NFL changes the rules on the ability to push players from behind, that will negatively impact Hurts’ overall production. How many times did the eagles get a first down or a touchdown through that formation? It was nearly unstoppable and allowed them to extend a ton of drives. I mean, how many times did they extend drives in the Super Bowl alone with that QB sneak? Seemed like 5 to 10 times and we couldn’t stop it once.


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[Retired hobbist]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Could be that people are finally getting weary of throwing money as young QBs after the absolute collapse of markets for guys like Zack Wilson, Trey Lance, Mac Jones, etc.

And sure, you can argue that Hurts has done more than Burrow, and is younger, and has been healthier, but he also carries the ball a lot more, and we've seen that turn into a hobby disaster in the past for a number of guys.

This! He seems like a system guy more than a long term blue chip star. Newton was built like a brick house and he faded quickly for a qb, maybe the lack of white hot popularity is because of that.

[TheFrenzy]

Why is there so little love on Blowout?

That's easy.

He, like Burrow, posed a threat Patty.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Why is there so little love on Blowout?

That's easy.

He, like Burrow, posed a threat Patty.

Same way Brock Purdy did so we did the ritual to sacrifice the elbow

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Same way Brock Purdy did so we did the ritual to sacrifice the elbow

hahahaha that's terrible

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Same way Brock Purdy did so we did the ritual to sacrifice the elbow

um...is that a doll he is pulling?

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

um...is that a doll he is pulling?

Secrets of the Mahomies-cult cannot be divulged without a sacrifice of your finest Mac Jones bass.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Secrets of the Mahomies-cult cannot be divulged without a sacrifice of your finest Mac Jones bass.

I'm planning on retiring from my Mac Jones Base, so obviously can't sacrifice any.

[Frankp2311]

Did he win the SB?

[Jaysabz]

Originally Posted by Frankp2311

Did he win the SB?

Hurts and his team came up short, scoring only 35 vs. the Chiefs' 38 points.

He went 27/38 passing for 304 yards with 1 touchdown and 0 interceptions.

He also had 15 rushing attempts for 70 yards and 3 touchdowns.

He did fumble once on a strip/sack that led to 7 points for the Chiefs.

[ksemmel]

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