Crap eBay seller acstoysandmore2015

[longhornjunkie]

Sorry for the double post, but wanted to point out the seller reported by OP has many items around $1 shipping so they very much know the difference in the service they're advertising.

[Joshi City]

I think the thread got sidetracked a bit based on the price - the bigger issue is if I buy an item and it says it is going out via Standing Shipping (First Class), that is how it should go out. I don't buy any auctions that use Standard Envelope, I'd rather pay a little extra to get a bubble mailer and better tracking. If it is Free Shipping, $2, or $10 shipping that I pay, I still expect it to be mailed at the service level listed in the auction (or better, I accept free upgrades haha).

In this case, my assumption would be it was a mistake in the listing or he mixed it up when he printed the labels, a couple times I accidentally sent First Class since that is what 95% of people choose on my auctions, and then notice they paid extra for Priority. Mistakes happen but the seller should just refund $3.50 to have a happier customer since it was not shipped the method listed in the auction.

[rjp087]

Originally Posted by Joshi City

In this case, my assumption would be it was a mistake in the listing or he mixed it up when he printed the labels, a couple times I accidentally sent First Class since that is what 95% of people choose on my auctions, and then notice they paid extra for Priority. Mistakes happen but the seller should just refund $3.50 to have a happier customer since it was not shipped the method listed in the auction.

Seller never responded to my initial message, and it has been 13 days since I paid. I'm not holding my breath on receiving this one, lol.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by cremona

It does not cost the seller $1. This is where I do not understand the way people think sometimes. I am not saying the seller did not overcharge, what I am saying is that it is not egregious when you look everything broken down.

Seller charges $4.60 for postage. I am basing these costs on materials that I would use to ship a card.

Postage cost - $1
Top loader - $.75
Team bag - $.10
Fuel/time/envelope - $1.50

That is approximately $3.25 and is more reflective of the true cost of logistics. If you are upset that someone made an extra $1 off you, so be it. That is your choice.

There is no planet on which a toploader costs .75 cents. That's $18.75/pack. If you are paying that for a pack of toploaders, then we already found the sucker in the room.

Fuel/time/envelope is also not $1.50 unless you live on a farm 10 miles from the nearest mailbox and are driving one envelope at a time back and forth from the farm.

Your numbers are so egregiously wrong that nobody can possibly take this example seriously.

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

There is no planet on which a toploader costs .75 cents. That's $18.75/pack. If you are paying that for a pack of toploaders, then we already found the sucker in the room.

Fuel/time/envelope is also not $1.50 unless you live on a farm 10 miles from the nearest mailbox and are driving one envelope at a time back and forth from the farm.

Your numbers are so egregiously wrong that nobody can possibly take this example seriously.

I found it hilarious that he used such ridiculously inflated numbers and still couldn't get to $4.60.

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

There is no planet on which a toploader costs .75 cents. That's $18.75/pack. If you are paying that for a pack of toploaders, then we already found the sucker in the room.

Fuel/time/envelope is also not $1.50 unless you live on a farm 10 miles from the nearest mailbox and are driving one envelope at a time back and forth from the farm.

Your numbers are so egregiously wrong that nobody can possibly take this example seriously.

It so hard for them to make excuses they literally lie as seen by the banana you quoted. And then they expect to be trusted when they can’t even add correctly.

And fun fact fuel/time is not supposed to be charged. As you can hand it to your mailman. So stop lying.

If the seller does this to 100 auctions they make way more than a 1.00. And they know this. But of course they will lie and make terrible excuses as we all see

[jamcas997]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

There is no planet on which a toploader costs .75 cents. That's $18.75/pack. If you are paying that for a pack of toploaders, then we already found the sucker in the room.

Fuel/time/envelope is also not $1.50 unless you live on a farm 10 miles from the nearest mailbox and are driving one envelope at a time back and forth from the farm.

Your numbers are so egregiously wrong that nobody can possibly take this example seriously.

And team bags are 4 cents each, lol

[cremona]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

There is no planet on which a toploader costs .75 cents. That's $18.75/pack. If you are paying that for a pack of toploaders, then we already found the sucker in the room.

Fuel/time/envelope is also not $1.50 unless you live on a farm 10 miles from the nearest mailbox and are driving one envelope at a time back and forth from the farm.

Your numbers are so egregiously wrong that nobody can possibly take this example seriously.

No planet where a top loader costs $.75? I mostly ship 180 PT cards. Those are 10 in a pack. That's $8.99 plus tax.

I never drop cards at the mailbox because I want to ensure I apply enough postage. Therefore, a trip in the car is required.

You think a 10-15 minute ride to the post office is not worth $1.50 in time/fuel?

You need to take a serious step back and assess how valuable you should consider your time.

I also want to clarify that I think misrepresentation is wrong. If someone says they are shipping x service and charge x price for it, only to then ship with a lesser service and pocket the difference....that is very wrong. I am only defending sellers who are upfront about what they charge and the service they use, but charge a few bucks extra to cover the costs of materials associated with shipping safely.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by cremona

No planet where a top loader costs $.75? I mostly ship 180 PT cards. Those are 10 in a pack. That's $8.99 plus tax.

I never drop cards at the mailbox because I want to ensure I apply enough postage. Therefore, a trip in the car is required.

You think a 10-15 minute ride to the post office is not worth $1.50 in time/fuel?

You need to take a serious step back and assess how valuable you should consider your time.

Buy a scale and write it off. Stop making excuses.


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[cremona]

Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

It so hard for them to make excuses they literally lie as seen by the banana you quoted. And then they expect to be trusted when they can’t even add correctly.

And fun fact fuel/time is not supposed to be charged. As you can hand it to your mailman. So stop lying.

If the seller does this to 100 auctions they make way more than a 1.00. And they know this. But of course they will lie and make terrible excuses as we all see

Of course time/fuel is acceptable to be built in the cost of shipping. I don't know where you live, but I don't have the option to hand my mail to a postal employee on their route. Its also very presumptuous to assume that people have that luxury.

[cremona]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Buy a scale and write it off. Stop making excuses.


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Okay. I buy a scale. I do not have enough postage. What do I do now?

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by cremona

Okay. I buy a scale. I do not have enough postage. What do I do now?

You use the scale to determine how much postage you need. Stop being intentionally obtuse.


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[cremona]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

You use the scale to determine how much postage you need. Stop being intentionally obtuse.


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I've determined how much postage I require. I do not have enough. How do I go about acquiring the additional required postage? I certainly can't snap my fingers and make it appear. Maybe....I need to visit a post office and grab stamps?

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by cremona

I've determined how much postage I require. I do not have enough. How do I go about acquiring the additional required postage? I certainly can't snap my fingers and make it appear. Maybe....I need to visit a post office and grab stamps?

You shouldn’t be using stamps for ESE PWE shipping. Nice try though.


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[cremona]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

You shouldn’t be using stamps for ESE PWE shipping. Nice try though.


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I think there is a bit of a disconnect here. I don't know where the PWE came from in our discussion of shipping materials. I do not ship with PWE's so I am unfamiliar with how to apply their postage.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by cremona

I think there is a bit of a disconnect here. I don't know where the PWE came from in our discussion of shipping materials. I do not ship with PWE's so I am unfamiliar with how to apply their postage.

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[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by cremona

No planet where a top loader costs $.75? I mostly ship 180 PT cards. Those are 10 in a pack. That's $8.99 plus tax.

I never drop cards at the mailbox because I want to ensure I apply enough postage. Therefore, a trip in the car is required.

You think a 10-15 minute ride to the post office is not worth $1.50 in time/fuel?

You need to take a serious step back and assess how valuable you should consider your time.

I also want to clarify that I think misrepresentation is wrong. If someone says they are shipping x service and charge x price for it, only to then ship with a lesser service and pocket the difference....that is very wrong. I am only defending sellers who are upfront about what they charge and the service they use, but charge a few bucks extra to cover the costs of materials associated with shipping safely.

Originally Posted by cremona

I think there is a bit of a disconnect here. I don't know where the PWE came from in our discussion of shipping materials. I do not ship with PWE's so I am unfamiliar with how to apply their postage.

Yes, a disconnect caused by you. Go back and re-read the first post. It was about charging $4.60 and shipping with PWE. You came back and illustrated how this was reasonable, but now we find out that you were talking about 180pt toploaders and bubble mailers and that you don't print your own postage labels and that you apparently do drive one envelope at a time to the post office which is not in line with 99% of sellers. You've twisted this thread in so many knots, no wonder you can't understand why people are disagreeing with you.

Go back and read my first response. I clearly stated that I can package around 30 cards per hour and use the ESE service referenced here. My COST to do this is around $1.00 all-in. If I charged $4.60 I'd have $108/hour for time and fuel. THAT was my argument on time/fuel. Not $1.50... $108!!

So to summarize, yes $4.60 is reasonable if you are shipping 180pt toploaders in bubble mailers. I charge $4.50. Nobody was ever arguing that with you. This entire thread is about the OP being charged $4.60 for a PWE.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by cremona

I think there is a bit of a disconnect here. I don't know where the PWE came from in our discussion of shipping materials. I do not ship with PWE's so I am unfamiliar with how to apply their postage.

So why come in and give your misguided opinion?

[corndog]

Originally Posted by cremona

Okay. I buy a scale. I do not have enough postage. What do I do now?

Originally Posted by cremona

I've determined how much postage I require. I do not have enough. How do I go about acquiring the additional required postage? I certainly can't snap my fingers and make it appear. Maybe....I need to visit a post office and grab stamps?

Originally Posted by cremona

I think there is a bit of a disconnect here. I don't know where the PWE came from in our discussion of shipping materials. I do not ship with PWE's so I am unfamiliar with how to apply their postage.

You seem to not know much about selling online.

Maybe learn more about it before sharing your lack of knowledge.

[cremona]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Yes, a disconnect caused by you. Go back and re-read the first post. It was about charging $4.60 and shipping with PWE. You came back and illustrated how this was reasonable, but now we find out that you were talking about 180pt toploaders and bubble mailers and that you don't print your own postage labels and that you apparently do drive one envelope at a time to the post office which is not in line with 99% of sellers. You've twisted this thread in so many knots, no wonder you can't understand why people are disagreeing with you.

Go back and read my first response. I clearly stated that I can package around 30 cards per hour and use the ESE service referenced here. My COST to do this is around $1.00 all-in. If I charged $4.60 I'd have $108/hour for time and fuel. THAT was my argument on time/fuel. Not $1.50... $108!!

So to summarize, yes $4.60 is reasonable if you are shipping 180pt toploaders in bubble mailers. I charge $4.50. Nobody was ever arguing that with you. This entire thread is about the OP being charged $4.60 for a PWE.

The only point I was trying to make is that sellers charging a few bucks extra to cover items associated with shipping is acceptable. That's it. If someone misrepresents how they are sending an item and chooses a lesser shipping option to pocket the difference.....that's not cool and needs to be addressed.

[cremona]

Originally Posted by corndog

You seem to not know much about selling online.

Maybe learn more about it before sharing your lack of knowledge.

Yeah you are right. Do you know where I can buy stamps?

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by cremona

The only point I was trying to make is that sellers charging a few bucks extra to cover items associated with shipping is acceptable. That's it. If someone misrepresents how they are sending an item and chooses a lesser shipping option to pocket the difference.....that's not cool and needs to be addressed.

That is 100% what the OP is about. Glad to see we've been all around the world and now everyone agrees.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by cremona

Yeah you are right. Do you know where I can buy stamps?

eBay allows you to print the label directly from the site. Not sure why you even bother with stamps. It is so much easier to throw an envelope on a scale, type in 3 oz, and print the label. Can't imagine how exhausting it must be to have to go to the post office to buy stamps and then verify that your postage is correct.

[hche]

Originally Posted by cremona

Yeah you are right. Do you know where I can buy stamps?

Wait... stamps? If you are selling on eBay, everything can be printed directly there. Shipping labels, packing slips, etc. You keep some supplies in stock. If something sold, package it, print the label, drop it off at post office, and done (assuming you can print)!

When my printer broke, I literally print the label and save it as pdf, email it to work and print it there. LOL.

[Wade Mulroy]

How much can I add to my shipping costs for potential pain and suffering?

If I have to put my life on the line to get into my car and drive 5 minutes to the post office, then I want to be compensated for it. I will, on average, pass at least 12 cars on the way there, not to mention potholes and wildlife. Don't even get me started about COVID. I can't afford to miss work due to an accident or sickness, so if you want your precious sports cardboard trading cards then I'm gonna need to be compensated fairly.

$4.60 for a PWE is cheap, all things considered. You better move that decimal point over and add some zeroes, baby.