Why doesn't Stamkos get any hobby love?

[boston12]

He played in TB his whole career. No one cares about anyone that plays there.

[tyrith]

Not being in the spotlight on these championship teams is a killer. He's never really been near the center of their hype over the last few years. The hype engine is what pushes cards to new levels, and that hasn't happened for him during the COVID boom. His cards haven't been sexy the last couple of years, so to speak.

[k13]

Modern day Brett Hull.

[Giroux]

The injuries kind of killed his momentum. Also Tampa Bay wasn't relevant and their fanbase wasn't as big as it is today during his hype train years

[Card Shuffler]

Very few people in Florida collect hockey cards. The reason Huberdeau was selling for more than Stammer is simply because he hasn't been around as long. A lot of people buy to invest, and with Stammer there's not as much hype because he's always been consistent (when healthy).

When a guy like Huberdeau has a ridiculous year like he had this year that draws more of a following than Stamkos's consistent awesomeness. Sure, Stamkos posted a career high in points but he's scored more than the 42 he had this year 6 other times. I wouldn't bet on Tampa cards to be long-term investments. Small market and they're peaking right now. Even if they win 5 straight cups I don't think you'd see the card price rise all that much.

[Tones]

Why don't the Bruins team as a whole get any hobby love?

Literally every single release of course we get the rookies... but can we finally get some vets other than 4 different Brad Marchand autos in EVERY product? I mean for real lol.

Really wish Pasty decided he was going to start signing some stuff again.

He's a new Bruin so it makes sense we haven't gotten a Taylor Hall auto yet, but hopefully one to come soon

[isles4life]

Originally Posted by oplum29

when he's played at least 80 games, Stamkos is a 90 point player. This year, he finally broke into the 100 point mark, and it also happens to be a year when he helped put the Lightning into the Finals for a 3rd straight year.

i know he's been beat up, and he's not playing in a big market, but he's still the face of that franchise, a No. 1 overall pick, and 4 wins away from a 3rd championship.

he's not Malkin playing 2nd fiddle to Crosby, he's the guy (yes i know they have Hedman too).

he just seems terribly undervalued compared to some other players.

maybe like K13 said, it's about the flavor of the month? i know Ovechkin was really cheap for a long time, but now i think he outsells Crosby doesn't he?

I'd say Kucherov has been the best forward on that team for some time now. Vasy is above him as far as importance too. Stamkos is maybe the 3rd or 4th best player on the team.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by oplum29

when he's played at least 80 games, Stamkos is a 90 point player. This year, he finally broke into the 100 point mark, and it also happens to be a year when he helped put the Lightning into the Finals for a 3rd straight year.

i know he's been beat up, and he's not playing in a big market, but he's still the face of that franchise, a No. 1 overall pick, and 4 wins away from a 3rd championship.

he's not Malkin playing 2nd fiddle to Crosby, he's the guy (yes i know they have Hedman too).

he just seems terribly undervalued compared to some other players.

maybe like K13 said, it's about the flavor of the month? i know Ovechkin was really cheap for a long time, but now i think he outsells Crosby doesn't he?

He’s not in a big hockey market.
He was hyped as “the next guy” early in his career. He did not have a quick transition to Cup success early. TB became the epitome of great regular season/playoff choker and injuries started piling up. At that point his hobby value got really derailed as Nate, McDavid and Matthews entered the NHL and became “the next guy”. By the time TB got over the playoff hump he was no longer even considered “the guy” on TB. Hedman, Kucherov and Vasi are all viewed as equal or more important to their success than Stamkos.

[forest]

In hockey more so than any other sport, all of the emphasis is placed on just getting that one Cup. People mostly just want to be known as a Cup winner, not as a 2, 3, 4 time Cup winner. So the additional Cups that Stamkos has won/might win probably won't help his values as much as people think. Think about it, how much more money are you willing to spend on Anze Kopitar cards because he is a 2 time Cup winner compared to a 1 time winner? probably not much

Also, we're acting like Stamkos is a shoe in for 600-650 goals. Could he get there? Absolutely. Could he also decline from ages 33 onward and never put up the same type of stats? Also possible. Not everyone is like Ovi and will produce into their late 30s. Even if you assume he does get 600, it's not a surefire route to iconic status and hobby value - not many people are out there collecting Mike Gartner, Brendan Shanahan, and Dino Ciccarelli.

And anyone claiming Stamkos was or ever will be in the same realm as Crosby and Ovechkin is just revisionist history. He's never even made the first all star team. And only made the second all star team twice. Crosby and Ovechkin are top 10 players of all time, Stamkos will be a mid tier HOFer.

[k13]

Just remember everyone on here said its not possible for ovechkin to outsell crosby ever.....

They also said kane cannot outsell Towes...

[forest]

Originally Posted by k13

Just remember everyone on here said its not possible for ovechkin to outsell crosby ever.....

They also said kane cannot outsell Towes...

Ovi's late career surge - winning his first Cup at age 33, winning three straight Rockets at age 33-35, and now chasing Gretzky - contributed to his jump in value. Is anyone predicting a similar trajectory for Stamkos? If Stamkos wins three straight Rockets starting next year and his prices remain where they are, then go ahead and call him undervalued. His PSA 10 Young Guns is still a $600-700 card and his PSA 10 FWA is over $1,200. Not sure what undervalued even means anymore

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by k13

Just remember everyone on here said its not possible for ovechkin to outsell crosby ever.....

They also said kane cannot outsell Towes...

People have never been bright with their money.

[JanuaryRains]

Originally Posted by forest

Ovi's late career surge - winning his first Cup at age 33, winning three straight Rockets at age 33-35, and now chasing Gretzky - contributed to his jump in value. Is anyone predicting a similar trajectory for Stamkos? If Stamkos wins three straight Rockets starting next year and his prices remain where they are, then go ahead and call him undervalued. His PSA 10 Young Guns is still a $600-700 card and his PSA 10 FWA is over $1,200. Not sure what undervalued even means anymore

Yeah, I have to agree with this. I think his current prices are where he deservedly, IMO at least, should be. He's not in the Crosby/McDavid tier in any respect and that's okay. Him selling for similar values as Malkin is pretty solid. Kane still outsells Malkin/Stamkos but being in the same range as Malkin/Kane is very reasonable for Stamkos.

[k13]

Originally Posted by forest

Ovi's late career surge - winning his first Cup at age 33, winning three straight Rockets at age 33-35, and now chasing Gretzky - contributed to his jump in value. Is anyone predicting a similar trajectory for Stamkos? If Stamkos wins three straight Rockets starting next year and his prices remain where they are, then go ahead and call him undervalued. His PSA 10 Young Guns is still a $600-700 card and his PSA 10 FWA is over $1,200. Not sure what undervalued even means anymore

It was not a surge. He just kept his pace.
Him getting close to Gretzky was obvious for years if you looked at his trajectory.

The only unpredictable part was winning the cup.

[forest]

Also worth noting, if Stamkos' legacy is going to be built off Stanley Cups - he was on the ice for a total of 2 minutes 47 seconds during the 2020 playoffs.

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

He’s not in a big hockey market.
He was hyped as “the next guy” early in his career. He did not have a quick transition to Cup success early. TB became the epitome of great regular season/playoff choker and injuries started piling up. At that point his hobby value got really derailed as Nate, McDavid and Matthews entered the NHL and became “the next guy”. By the time TB got over the playoff hump he was no longer even considered “the guy” on TB. Hedman, Kucherov and Vasi are all viewed as equal or more important to their success than Stamkos.

awesome analysis. thank you! i enjoyed reading that.

k13
Just remember everyone on here said its not possible for ovechkin to outsell crosby ever.....

it took a long time for Ovi to finally get over Crosby, and if he breaks the scoring record, holy cow prices are going to be insane.

i remember back in 2005 buying one box of 2005 SPA hockey, and wanting a Crosby or Ovechkin Future Watch, but more Crosby (he got me into hockey), but i pulled Ovi instead. was very happy with the pull, but it was never price wise, near the value of the Crosby.

then i checked after they won the Stanley Cup and i was in shock by the value of it. good stuff.

btw, that same shock i had, was the same way when i saw how cheap Stamkos was. even for a guy like Tavares, but that's for another thread.

[CB Nostalgia]

His peak didn’t last long enough and he’s basically gone into compiler mode for the vast majority of his career. Playing along side prime Martin St. Louis put him in the same conversation as Ovechkin at the time but he never got back to that level after MSL left.

[Retired hobbist]

I tend to agree his peak was short and he is now a high end compiler. Maybe you could rate him a better Ignila type compiler at the moment. The hockey card hobby is too small for this type of player to fetch crazy prices.

[Randallk34]

Cause he's a nozzle

[k13]

After this Finals performance should be going back down to $100 yg again.

Had a shot to be something.
Missed.

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by oplum29

i'll admit that i haven't followed the NHL as closely as i did before, but Tampa Bay is a dynasty right now, and Stamkos is the conductor of this train, yet he gets no hobby love.

why is that?

because he's never won league MVP or anything like that, compared to guys like Crosby or Ovechkin or what is it? because it's Tampa and not Montreal, Toronto, or Chicago?

i pulled his YG years ago from a pack at Walmart, and checked up on it yesterday on eBay, and it's a fraction compared to what Crosby and Ovi for go. his Future Watch is about $9500 cheaper than what Ovi goes for.

i know Ovi might break Gretzky's scoring record, but Stamkos had a career year, scored two goals in Game 6 to send Tampa to the Stanley Cup Finals, and is 4-games away from winning a 3rd straight Stanley Cup.

Where's the love?

It’s like buying a house, Location, Location, Location.

[k13]

Originally Posted by Stifle

It’s like buying a house, Location, Location, Location.

Not quite.
I live in a crappy city and houses have gone up 300%.
Ghetto areas went up a higher % than nice areas.

Market makes everything.

I can go to a nicer Location and buy a house for cheaper.

[anusinha]

BGS 9.5 for 250ish? Ill take that over Kaprizov or Caufield or Zegras or Seider.

[carlo16]

Originally Posted by k13

Not quite.
I live in a crappy city and houses have gone up 300%.
Ghetto areas went up a higher % than nice areas.

Market makes everything.

I can go to a nicer Location and buy a house for cheaper.

If you go to a nicer location, it won’t be nicer anymore.

[k13]

Must have read post and got motivated....