"Natty Fatigue"

[dasiegel]

Originally Posted by messier2

No fatigue, just more excitement to go to the next big show. Hofstra here I come...then Dallas, then Tampa, then NJ.

And then we going to Washington DC to take back the White House BYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

I mean, you're still at higher risk being on a plane, etc.

Also if you don't have a fitted N95 mask it's just Rona-theatre as the CDC has said a couple times by now.

Exactly masks do nothing. If it makes people feel safe that's fine but definitely a false sense of security. It's been said that 100 million particles can fit on a pin head...I'm quite sure a few of that 100 million can get through a mask. I've also noticed most still wearing masks are already vaccinated, so if this vaccine that is being pushed so hard (in many cases forced on people) works why is there concern? Does it not work?


Edit: and i mean this in the most matter of fact way and genuinely curious. i'm a known smarta$$, but not the case here.

[Deadshot]

Originally Posted by beauspencer

I've heard from a lot of people at various shows recently that traffic has been down significantly. I don't think it's "Natty" fatigue, rather card show fatigue in combination with this being a big vacation time ahead of school starting.

Traditionally, this time of the year has been slower for card shows.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by DajuanWagner

I've had several people tell me that shows after the Nationals looks like Natty fatigue.

Not sure if that is a real thing. What say you???

Middle age guys + out of shape + walking round and round 6+ hours a day + staying up late five days straight + driving hundreds of miles or more round trip?

You wouldn't need Covid to feel like crap for weeks afterward.

[rawkstar2k]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

Exactly masks do nothing. If it makes people feel safe that's fine but definitely a false sense of security. It's been said that 100 million particles can fit on a pin head...I'm quite sure a few of that 100 million can get through a mask. I've also noticed most still wearing masks are already vaccinated, so if this vaccine that is being pushed so hard (in many cases forced on people) works why is there concern? Does it not work?


Edit: and i mean this in the most matter of fact way and genuinely curious. i'm a known smarta$$, but not the case here.

Masks do work, but EVERYONE has to wear them since the mask protects others from the person wearing them. Will it also provide protection to the person wearing it? Yeah, but that person still has other mucous membranes exposed (hence if everyone wore them, less of the virus would be exposed). That's why everyone has to wear them.

And yes, fully vaccinated people tend to wear masks because they know that they are still at risk of catching the virus (although if they did, they will likely be asymptomatic). There's a reason why 97% of the new covid hospital admissions are from unvaccinated people. If you don't want wear a mask, that's your choice., but don't spread that bs that masks don't work.

[Hallco]

Originally Posted by abracalabro

i see hallco in a thread, i click on thread.

Вы очень добры, сэр! Я действительно надеюсь, что у тебя все хорошо. Я не часто бываю на форуме, но часто думаю о тебе! Будь здоров, мой друг!

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by hallco

Вы очень добры, сэр! Я действительно надеюсь, что у тебя все хорошо. Я не часто бываю на форуме, но часто думаю о тебе! Будь здоров, мой друг!

Спасибо большое, товарищ. Я также стараюсь избегать форума, но рискну здесь, когда пытаюсь продать дерьмо. Форум - это пожар мусорного контейнера в моей оценке! Да. Надеюсь, вы здоровы.

[shondamon]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

Exactly masks do nothing. If it makes people feel safe that's fine but definitely a false sense of security. It's been said that 100 million particles can fit on a pin head...I'm quite sure a few of that 100 million can get through a mask. I've also noticed most still wearing masks are already vaccinated, so if this vaccine that is being pushed so hard (in many cases forced on people) works why is there concern? Does it not work?


Edit: and i mean this in the most matter of fact way and genuinely curious. i'm a known smarta$$, but not the case here.

Please don’t spread this BS. I’m a pulmonary and ICU doctor. Masks definitely do help prevent spread of infection. Vaccinated people still wear masks because they are SMART unlike these ignorant unvaccinated people. Yes, you can still get COVID even if you are vaccinated, but masks go a long way of reducing risk of infection. In addition, being vaccinated dramatically reduces the severity of disease if you happen to get infected. EVERY single patient in my ICU at a large academic center the past few months were all unvaccinated! And most of these patients are extremely sick on full ventilatory and sometimes ECMO support. Do you think that’s just a coincidence? I’ve lost all empathy for these unvaccinated covid patients as they are a huge unnecessary burden to our health care resources.

If you hate wearing a mask, wait until you end up on a ventilator.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by shondamon

Please don’t spread this BS. I’m a pulmonary and ICU doctor. Masks definitely do help prevent spread of infection. Vaccinated people still wear masks because they are SMART unlike these ignorant unvaccinated people. Yes, you can still get COVID even if you are vaccinated, but masks go a long way of reducing risk of infection. In addition, being vaccinated dramatically reduces the severity of disease if you happen to get infected. EVERY single patient in my ICU at a large academic center the past few months were all unvaccinated! And most of these patients are extremely sick on full ventilatory and sometimes ECMO support. Do you think that’s just a coincidence? I’ve lost all empathy for these unvaccinated covid patients as they are a huge unnecessary burden to our health care resources.

If you hate wearing a mask, wait until you end up on a ventilator.

Have you lost all empathy for non-compliant diabetics? Or morbidly obese people who won’t exercise or diet? Not sure why Covid is any different than those.

[shondamon]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Have you lost all empathy for non-compliant diabetics? Or morbidly obese people who won’t exercise or diet? Not sure why Covid is any different than those.

Are non-compliant diabetics and morbidly obese people spreading a viral pandemic throughout the whole world killing thousands of people? Yes, I admit you do lose a bit of empathy to patients with chronic disease who are non-compliant. However, they are hurting their own bodies and don’t affect the health of others. You are super ignorant if you think covid is the same as those…


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[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by shondamon

Please don’t spread this BS. I’m a pulmonary and ICU doctor. Masks definitely do help prevent spread of infection. Vaccinated people still wear masks because they are SMART unlike these ignorant unvaccinated people. Yes, you can still get COVID even if you are vaccinated, but masks go a long way of reducing risk of infection. In addition, being vaccinated dramatically reduces the severity of disease if you happen to get infected. EVERY single patient in my ICU at a large academic center the past few months were all unvaccinated! And most of these patients are extremely sick on full ventilatory and sometimes ECMO support. Do you think that’s just a coincidence? I’ve lost all empathy for these unvaccinated covid patients as they are a huge unnecessary burden to our health care resources.



If you hate wearing a mask, wait until you end up on a ventilator.

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[Sticks33]

Originally Posted by shondamon

Are non-compliant diabetics and morbidly obese people spreading a viral pandemic throughout the whole world killing thousands of people? Yes, I admit you do lose a bit of empathy to patients with chronic disease who are non-compliant. However, they are hurting their own bodies and don’t affect the health of others. You are super ignorant if you think covid is the same as those…


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Very well said.

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[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by shondamon

Please don’t spread this BS. I’m a pulmonary and ICU doctor. Masks definitely do help prevent spread of infection. Vaccinated people still wear masks because they are SMART unlike these ignorant unvaccinated people. Yes, you can still get COVID even if you are vaccinated, but masks go a long way of reducing risk of infection. In addition, being vaccinated dramatically reduces the severity of disease if you happen to get infected. EVERY single patient in my ICU at a large academic center the past few months were all unvaccinated! And most of these patients are extremely sick on full ventilatory and sometimes ECMO support. Do you think that’s just a coincidence? I’ve lost all empathy for these unvaccinated covid patients as they are a huge unnecessary burden to our health care resources.

If you hate wearing a mask, wait until you end up on a ventilator.

So is that why the CDC (the ones who are supposed to be the leaders in our health industry) have flip flopped several times on the effectiveness of the masks? I respect your position as a doctor, you're both wealthier and smarter than I'll ever be and I respect the hell out of that. But given the studies done that I've read I guess we just have different views on the plandemic (not a typo) I am for the record and ashamed to say I am 100% vaccinated, I will not be wearing a mask however.

[shondamon]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

So is that why the CDC (the ones who are supposed to be the leaders in our health industry) have flip flopped several times on the effectiveness of the masks? I respect your position as a doctor, you're both wealthier and smarter than I'll ever be and I respect the hell out of that. But given the studies done that I've read I guess we just have different views on the plandemic (not a typo) I am for the record and ashamed to say I am 100% vaccinated, I will not be wearing a mask however.

At least you are vaccinated. Though, I don't completely understand the negativity of wearing a mask. Wearing a mask is SO EASY to do. Even if the mask only decreases the risk of infection by 1%, I still think it is worth it based on what I have seen. You never know how severe COVID will affect someone. I have seen young, healthy 20-30 year olds get COVID, get placed on ECMO, fight for their lives, and end up dying.

I think it is really hard to publish an adequate study on the effectiveness of masks because there are so many confounding factors. But think about it logically. If someone with COVID were to sneeze or cough on you, wouldn't you want to wear a mask to protect you from inhaling all of those droplets. I can only speak anecdotally, but reducing any kind of quantity of transmission should reduce the risk of getting the infection and the severity of the infection. After all, most people die from COVID because they develop a devastating reaction to the virus called ARDS. ARDS is basically a huge response in the lungs that pretty much fills up your lungs with inflammation and fluid. I feel like this response would be less severe if the initial transmission could be reduced, whether it be wearing a mask and/or vaccination (to develop antibodies to fight off infection). If you develop ARDS, your mortality rate sky rockets. Pretty much a 50/50 chance you will survive.

[pejc300]

A secret Covid thread to throw the mods off the trail. I like it.

[Cheken]

Originally Posted by shondamon

Are non-compliant diabetics and morbidly obese people spreading a viral pandemic throughout the whole world killing thousands of people? Yes, I admit you do lose a bit of empathy to patients with chronic disease who are non-compliant. However, they are hurting their own bodies and don’t affect the health of others. You are super ignorant if you think covid is the same as those…


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Amennnn

[Chargers2012]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

So is that why the CDC (the ones who are supposed to be the leaders in our health industry) have flip flopped several times on the effectiveness of the masks? I respect your position as a doctor, you're both wealthier and smarter than I'll ever be and I respect the hell out of that. But given the studies done that I've read I guess we just have different views on the plandemic (not a typo) I am for the record and ashamed to say I am 100% vaccinated, I will not be wearing a mask however.

I agree that it is very annoying that the CDC keeps changing there stance but things keep changing with this plandemic.

JoJo

[Mahomie]

Not sure if this constitutes fatigue, but after every decent show, I'll come back home, look at my collection, and think to myself:

"Wow...my collection is a pile of crap."

[SearchPatrol]

Originally Posted by shondamon

Please don’t spread this BS. I’m a pulmonary and ICU doctor. Masks definitely do help prevent spread of infection. Vaccinated people still wear masks because they are SMART unlike these ignorant unvaccinated people. Yes, you can still get COVID even if you are vaccinated, but masks go a long way of reducing risk of infection. In addition, being vaccinated dramatically reduces the severity of disease if you happen to get infected. EVERY single patient in my ICU at a large academic center the past few months were all unvaccinated! And most of these patients are extremely sick on full ventilatory and sometimes ECMO support. Do you think that’s just a coincidence? I’ve lost all empathy for these unvaccinated covid patients as they are a huge unnecessary burden to our health care resources.

If you hate wearing a mask, wait until you end up on a ventilator.

So then why wear a mask again if you are vaccinated? You claim to have had 0 people admitted who have had the jab. WHY is that not good enough. For months you have had nobody in ICU that's had the shot. So by this logic, we will never show our faces again.

[shu4040]

Originally Posted by SearchPatrol

So then why wear a mask again if you are vaccinated? You claim to have had 0 people admitted who have had the jab. WHY is that not good enough. For months you have had nobody in ICU that's had the shot. So by this logic, we will never show our faces again.

Vaccinated can still get and spread Covid.

Since their hospitalization risk is now muuuuch lower they are actually most helping the unvaccinated by wearing the mask by decreasing the chance they spread it to them

There’s a lot more reasons but I like the irony of this one


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[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by shondamon

Are non-compliant diabetics and morbidly obese people spreading a viral pandemic throughout the whole world killing thousands of people? Yes, I admit you do lose a bit of empathy to patients with chronic disease who are non-compliant. However, they are hurting their own bodies and don’t affect the health of others. You are super ignorant if you think covid is the same as those…


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You just made commentary about how EVERY SINGLE ICU patient was unvaccinated (so vaccinated = unlikely to be hospitalized even with breakthrough infection), while saying “I’ve lost all empathy for these unvaccinated covid patients as they are a huge unnecessary burden to our health care resources”. Are non-complaint diabetics (or whatever disease you choose) not a huge burden to the system?

I’d be ashamed of myself if I starting picking and choosing which of my patients I showed empathy toward instead of approaching every patient the same way. People like you do nothing but further divide the two sides.

[byronscott4ever]

Originally Posted by Mahomie

Not sure if this constitutes fatigue, but after every decent show, I'll come back home, look at my collection, and think to myself:

"Wow...my collection is a pile of crap."

It’s called Natty Fatigue….

Collect what you like and like what you collect

[sethc1020]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Have you lost all empathy for non-compliant diabetics? Or morbidly obese people who won’t exercise or diet? Not sure why Covid is any different than those.

Nevermind

[shondamon]

Originally Posted by SearchPatrol

So then why wear a mask again if you are vaccinated? You claim to have had 0 people admitted who have had the jab. WHY is that not good enough. For months you have had nobody in ICU that's had the shot. So by this logic, we will never show our faces again.

Some people just don’t get it… you can still get covid if you get vaccinated. The likelihood of having a SEVERE infection is much lower with the vaccine. I have not had any vaccinated patients in the ICU, but have seen patients in the ER and medical floor on increased amounts of oxygen, but not to the point where they need ICU admission. That being said, you could probably still get a severe infection even with the vaccine, I just haven’t personally seen it yet in my ICU. Wearing a mask further decreases the risk of transmission and like I said, even a minuscule amount of reduction is worth it as this virus is unpredictable.

Being vaccinated is not good enough because like the post below you said, you can still get covid being vaccinated and then transmit it to another person and the transmission and severity dramatically increase when you are unvaccinated.. the most important part in the grand scheme of things is not protecting yourself, but really preventing transmission. The only way we are going to beat this virus is through vaccination and wearing masks

[Mahomie]

Originally Posted by byronscott4ever

Collect what you like and like what you collect

That's my MO!

Most good card shows still humble me, and that's ok.