The Official NBA Regular Season Thread—-21/22 Edition - Page 2

cboog3105 · 07-26-2021, 12:59 PM

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Will the Orlando Magic win more than 12 games?

as long as they're healthy they'll be fun to watch either way

really enjoyed Chuma's showing this year

brothertona · 07-26-2021, 03:40 PM

Our first big deal here - Bledsoe and Adams and #10 for Jonas and #17.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1...625972747?s=20

ClipsFan · 07-26-2021, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by daeve

For those who don't know - Kawhi is likely out all of next season [might be a 'go' for playoffs though] due to rehabbing his freshly repaired acl... it'll be interesting to see what the Clips do... run it back with PG and pay Reggie to get them into the playoffs in the hopes Kawhi is healthy by then?

Because they're in a big market and Ballmer has plenty of money, I think they do try to run it back and hope for a rested playoff Kawhi.

Whether or not they can bring back Reggie probably depends on whether Ibaka picks up his option or not...

Clips cap situation is such that they have little choice but to run it back. They can pay Reggie up to $10M regardless if Ibaka opts-in/out so I expect him back. Batum is the unknown as any contender could use a guy like him.

tjforce · 07-26-2021, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

Our first big deal here - Bledsoe and Adams and #10 for Jonas and #17.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1...625972747?s=20

For winning right now I gotta say this is pretty good for the Pels.

Jonas is a solid player who can score and rebound.

I have to imagine they are not done making moves.

Spacemanspif · 07-26-2021, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

Our first big deal here - Bledsoe and Adams and #10 for Jonas and #17.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1...625972747?s=20

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Originally Posted by tjforce

For winning right now I gotta say this is pretty good for the Pels.

Jonas is a solid player who can score and rebound.

I have to imagine they are not done making moves.

So NOLA gets rid of their worst 2 contracts, in exchange for one of Memphis' most productive players, and give up... a 7 pick downgrade, and a protected future pick? What is Memphis thinking?

brothertona · 07-26-2021, 04:14 PM

Agreed, this significantly affects their pacing as well. The rumors are the Grizzlies want Josh Giddey.

volblorx8634 · 07-26-2021, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

So NOLA gets rid of their worst 2 contracts, in exchange for one of Memphis' most productive players, and give up... a 7 pick downgrade, and a protected future pick? What is Memphis thinking?

And this is a great draft for a 7 pick downgrade with the prospects from about 7 to 20 all more or less interchangeable. Jonas also spaces out the paint more for Zion. It's a big move for New Orleans.

hairyangryfella · 07-26-2021, 05:29 PM

How does Jonas make more space..?
Adams is a screen beast. What does Jonas do differently, other than being more of an offensive threat?
Adams has been working on his 3 game too.
Not happy about this, but that's the NBA for you.

The_Reverend · 07-26-2021, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

How does Jonas make more space..?
Adams is a screen beast. What does Jonas do differently, other than being more of an offensive threat?
Adams has been working on his 3 game too.
Not happy about this, but that's the NBA for you.

Adams will be a great addition for the Ja, JJJ growth. He is a D first and rebounding guy. He brings some toughness to the floor as well.

volblorx8634 · 07-26-2021, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

How does Jonas make more space..?
Adams is a screen beast. What does Jonas do differently, other than being more of an offensive threat?
Adams has been working on his 3 game too.
Not happy about this, but that's the NBA for you.

I was unaware that Adams had been working on his 3 game. But Jonas shot 37% from 3 last season, although not on high volume. Regardless, he can make them from out there, which pulls his defender out of the paint and gives Zion more room.

Not a slight against Adams. I love Adams; he's one of my favorite players in the NBA.

RogerGodahell · 07-26-2021, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tennelson55

So you're a warriors fan, right? Added my own quotes.

"Don't break another leg there Steph/Klay"

"Will Luka gain a few more pounds/dog it in the 4th?"

Not sure what to say about Trae yet. Personally, I don't think he's a superstar and I'm hesitant to say star.

I think that's unlikely this year if you watched the Olympic game last night. Those teams were playing at a faster pace than NBA. Probably one reason why the U.S. team is struggling. Luka is the very early favorite again this year for MVP. Last year he came into the season not in ideal conditioning. I don't think that happens again this year with the summer games etc.

I've read that Jason Kidd wants the Mavs to play at a faster pace than they were so that will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

tennelson55 · 07-27-2021, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

Our first big deal here - Bledsoe and Adams and #10 for Jonas and #17.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1...625972747?s=20

Big move for both teams. Rarely do I think moves benefit both teams, but this move works for both teams. Both wanted a switch and a shake up; I think both situations have potential to go both bad/good direction.

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I think that's unlikely this year if you watched the Olympic game last night. Those teams were playing at a faster pace than NBA. Probably one reason why the U.S. team is struggling. Luka is the very early favorite again this year for MVP. Last year he came into the season not in ideal conditioning. I don't think that happens again this year with the summer games etc.

I've read that Jason Kidd wants the Mavs to play at a faster pace than they were so that will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

It's a long way to October. Hopefully he comes back in shape and ready to start the NBA season.

2010GBPackers · 07-27-2021, 09:54 AM

Will Giannis repeat? Probably not, but I'll give them a 33% chance.

Will the Warriors bounce back to compete in the west? "Compete?" Yes. But all of their top guys are past their prime. It's not a shot at them, it's just what it is. Age + injury history matters.

Is LeQueen done? Yes, I believe he is done leading teams to Championships. And he's either #1 or 2 of the best players I've ever seen play. I mean, he's going to turn 37(!) soon. Too many miles on that body.

Do the Denver Chicken Nuggets have enough? No.

Does Brooklyn stay healthy and remain sane? Hell, to the no. They'll still have a shot at the Championship though!

The 76ers lol. Exactly
The Celtics lol. " "

Luka and Trae? Who goes further? If Collins comes back, Trae.

Does Zion's 3rd coach lead to a playoff appearance? A playoff appearance? Easily. They'll be a 1st or 2nd round exit though.

Will Kawhi still the thrown in LA? No, he'll be injured all year.

brothertona · 07-27-2021, 09:58 AM

Yeah unfortunately for me Luka doesn't get a ring until his first post rookie contract deal. I think he'll still be a consistent MVP threat and will still be a top 10 player but I don't see championships in Dallas.

My only fear with the Bucks is salary cap catches up to them and they can't have the depth needed to compete.

Nets - I just don't think they have the killer instinct - they sat way too much last year to build chemistry - and Kyrie doesn't really care about basketball - add that to a likely KD injury and they won't all be healthy - and they're likely losing Dinwiddie.

Hawks - I think they may be very close to a push the chips to the center of the table trade - I wouldn't be surprised to see them end up with Bradley Beal.

daeve · 07-27-2021, 10:21 AM

^Beal and trae would be the worst backcourt defense in the league... I don't see it.

in other interesting tidbits - seems sga is "available" - OKC wanted Cade and I guess Presti feels their window is 'not yet', but idk who's going to pay what it would take to land him, since Detroit also wants Cade.

Lakers may have a real shot at Hield since Kings seem to be looking to open up some cap space.

Mavs interested in both Lowry and Conley, as expected.

and Bulls seem to be interested in Dennis schroeder if they miss out on the bigger PGs available. He did have a good relationship with Billy Donovan when they were at OKC

brothertona · 07-27-2021, 10:27 AM

The Trae/Hunter/Collins/Capela 4 man lineups were a +14.3 in the regular season and +13.6 in the postseason. Yes the defense would be rough but offensively it would be pretty tough to stop. You'd have two of the top 10 offensive raptor players in the league. If you could get him for a Huerter+Bogdan + picks package you'd as well still have Onyeka + Reddish + Hunter.

tjforce · 07-27-2021, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

The Trae/Hunter/Collins/Capela 4 man lineups were a +14.3 in the regular season and +13.6 in the postseason. Yes the defense would be rough but offensively it would be pretty tough to stop. You'd have two of the top 10 offensive raptor players in the league. If you could get him for a Huerter+Bogdan + picks package you'd as well still have Onyeka + Reddish + Hunter.

For Beal?

How many picks we talkin?

brothertona · 07-27-2021, 10:58 AM

The Hawks own all of their 1st rounders so they could do #20, OKC protected 1st, 2022, 2023 pick swap, and likely 2024 pick swap.

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Originally Posted by tjforce

For Beal?

How many picks we talkin?

daeve · 07-27-2021, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

The Hawks own all of their 1st rounders so they could do #20, OKC protected 1st, 2022, 2023 pick swap, and likely 2024 pick swap.

The type of package it'd take to get Beal just doesn't seem like it'd be worth it. I'd be more down to pay it for shai, if it was possible... better fit, plus this first year he's cheap, so we can keep our depth in-tact for 1 more run before everyone gets expensive.

I also doubt Wiz would do that deal without 1 or both of Cam/Dre included.

One other young star I'd be interested in if he's being shopped is Ingram.

I like Beal but we have to be real about fit if we're paying for a star...and as we saw with how Phx dismantled Utah, perimeter defense is very important, no matter who you have in the paint.

indyguy · 07-27-2021, 12:21 PM

What about someone like DeRozan to the Hawks instead of Beal? Does that make them any better than this last season?

daeve · 07-27-2021, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by indyguy

What about someone like DeRozan to the Hawks instead of Beal? Does that make them any better than this last season?

unfortunately he's also very bad defensively. The good defenders available are all too small to play next to Trae ... except for Lonzo. He'd be a great fit. I wonder if a s+t for Bogdan has been floated... it's almost such a perfect fit that it seems weird it hasn't been rumored yet, which makes me think it might be kept on the downlow for because it's a possibility.

Spacemanspif · 07-27-2021, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by daeve

^Beal and trae would be the worst backcourt defense in the league... I don't see it.

in other interesting tidbits - seems sga is "available" - OKC wanted Cade and I guess Presti feels their window is 'not yet', but idk who's going to pay what it would take to land him, since Detroit also wants Cade.

Lakers may have a real shot at Hield since Kings seem to be looking to open up some cap space.

Mavs interested in both Lowry and Conley, as expected.

and Bulls seem to be interested in Dennis schroeder if they miss out on the bigger PGs available. He did have a good relationship with Billy Donovan when they were at OKC

I went digging, and it looks like it's just one guy saying that, and of course gets echoed throughout blogs and twitter. I don't believe it because Shai is as close as you get to "untouchable", and Woj's tweet yesterday implied Detroit isn't even locked on Cade yet... so how could they turn down SGA +6 if they aren't even sold that Cade is their pick?

cboog3105 · 07-27-2021, 02:22 PM

Ninja take a sabbatical? Surprised to not see him all up in this thread yet

daeve · 07-27-2021, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

I went digging, and it looks like it's just one guy saying that, and of course gets echoed throughout blogs and twitter. I don't believe it because Shai is as close as you get to "untouchable", and Woj's tweet yesterday implied Detroit isn't even locked on Cade yet... so how could they turn down SGA +6 if they aren't even sold that Cade is their pick?

who's saying Cade isn't Detroit's pick?

Fischer is the guy saying Presti has dangled shai - typically if it was a load of crap then the OKC fans on reddit/twitter would be all over it. I haven't seen that as the case.

and the reasoning isn't dumb, even if we don't agree with it.

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The timing of contracts is very important. SGA will soon take up 25-30% of the salary cap. If you can get an SGA level player who won't take up a third of the cap for another 5 years, you should think about it.

this is just something smart GMs do... remember the Hawks traded Luka on draft night - it's not unfathomable to think Presti may have intel telling him Cade is potentially as good as or better than shai.

Spacemanspif · 07-27-2021, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by daeve

who's saying Cade isn't Detroit's pick?

Fischer is the guy saying Presti has dangled shai - typically if it was a load of crap then the OKC fans on reddit/twitter would be all over it. I haven't seen that as the case.

and the reasoning isn't dumb, even if we don't agree with it.

this is just something smart GMs do... remember the Hawks traded Luka on draft night - it's not unfathomable to think Presti may have intel telling him Cade is potentially as good as or better than shai.

Woj's twitter as of yesterday said "Detroit isn’t fully there yet on committing to Cunningham with their first overall choice":
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1...810083329?s=20

and Fischer is sourcing Wasserman. like I said, every article I've seen is just people using that one tweet as a source. I just don't buy it until there's more / better sourcing.

.... did you just say that trading Luka for Trae was a smart GM move?

07-27-2021, 09:54 AM	#38
2010GBPackers Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 4,366	Will Giannis repeat? Probably not, but I'll give them a 33% chance. Will the Warriors bounce back to compete in the west? "Compete?" Yes. But all of their top guys are past their prime. It's not a shot at them, it's just what it is. Age + injury history matters. Is LeQueen done? Yes, I believe he is done leading teams to Championships. And he's either #1 or 2 of the best players I've ever seen play. I mean, he's going to turn 37(!) soon. Too many miles on that body. Do the Denver Chicken Nuggets have enough? No. Does Brooklyn stay healthy and remain sane? Hell, to the no. They'll still have a shot at the Championship though! The 76ers lol. Exactly The Celtics lol. " " Luka and Trae? Who goes further? If Collins comes back, Trae. Does Zion's 3rd coach lead to a playoff appearance? A playoff appearance? Easily. They'll be a 1st or 2nd round exit though. Will Kawhi still the thrown in LA? No, he'll be injured all year. __________________ "And more and more and more and more And more of less than ever before It's just too much more for your mind to absorb" - Yasiin Bey (Mos Def) Instagram: 2010gbpackers

07-27-2021, 09:58 AM	#39
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,965 brothertona1	Yeah unfortunately for me Luka doesn't get a ring until his first post rookie contract deal. I think he'll still be a consistent MVP threat and will still be a top 10 player but I don't see championships in Dallas. My only fear with the Bucks is salary cap catches up to them and they can't have the depth needed to compete. Nets - I just don't think they have the killer instinct - they sat way too much last year to build chemistry - and Kyrie doesn't really care about basketball - add that to a likely KD injury and they won't all be healthy - and they're likely losing Dinwiddie. Hawks - I think they may be very close to a push the chips to the center of the table trade - I wouldn't be surprised to see them end up with Bradley Beal. Last edited by brothertona; 07-27-2021 at 10:01 AM.

07-26-2021, 03:40 PM	#27
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,965 brothertona1	Our first big deal here - Bledsoe and Adams and #10 for Jonas and #17. https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1...625972747?s=20

07-26-2021, 04:14 PM	#31
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,965 brothertona1	Agreed, this significantly affects their pacing as well. The rumors are the Grizzlies want Josh Giddey.

07-26-2021, 05:29 PM	#33
hairyangryfella Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: New Zealand Posts: 13,219	How does Jonas make more space..? Adams is a screen beast. What does Jonas do differently, other than being more of an offensive threat? Adams has been working on his 3 game too. Not happy about this, but that's the NBA for you.

07-27-2021, 10:21 AM	#40
daeve Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: savannah GA Posts: 13,160 accrules	^Beal and trae would be the worst backcourt defense in the league... I don't see it. in other interesting tidbits - seems sga is "available" - OKC wanted Cade and I guess Presti feels their window is 'not yet', but idk who's going to pay what it would take to land him, since Detroit also wants Cade. Lakers may have a real shot at Hield since Kings seem to be looking to open up some cap space. Mavs interested in both Lowry and Conley, as expected. and Bulls seem to be interested in Dennis schroeder if they miss out on the bigger PGs available. He did have a good relationship with Billy Donovan when they were at OKC

07-27-2021, 10:27 AM	#41
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,965 brothertona1	The Trae/Hunter/Collins/Capela 4 man lineups were a +14.3 in the regular season and +13.6 in the postseason. Yes the defense would be rough but offensively it would be pretty tough to stop. You'd have two of the top 10 offensive raptor players in the league. If you could get him for a Huerter+Bogdan + picks package you'd as well still have Onyeka + Reddish + Hunter.

07-27-2021, 12:21 PM	#45
indyguy Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 8,512 arndru indyguyat	What about someone like DeRozan to the Hawks instead of Beal? Does that make them any better than this last season?

07-27-2021, 02:22 PM	#48
cboog3105 Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 1,146 cboog3105	Ninja take a sabbatical? Surprised to not see him all up in this thread yet