Federico Ornes DBA 1972soccerstickers: MASSIVE Counterfeiting Scheme- PSA, BGS Graded

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Yeah, you’re probably right on that, but I’m now up to two fake sets that do exist and four presumably fake sets that do not exist cataloged on his site, so I’m wondering what other fantasy junk has yet to be unearthed.

I'm sure there is plenty out there given modern home printing technology and the fact that there are lot of uninformed newbies throwing money into soccer cards in an effort to make a quick buck that can be preyed on.

Anybody willing to put in the effort can produce their own authentic-looking cards, and since it's not cost-effective for copyright holders to pursue violators, they can even use official logos.

It's a cesspool out there....

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by sportzking

It’s good to see this bought to light, was planning on picking up some of these player stickers. But how can you tell if they are counterfeit and fake? I did pick up a Rodrygo sticker from CoMC.

The fake ones are all fake. There's no authentic copies. They're all bad.

For the counterfeits, it's primarily a matter of print quality for all of them as they are essentially just photocopies. If you compare an authentic copy against the counterfeit and study it you will pick up on both the overall low resolution of the counterfeit in addition to missing or obstructed features of the sticker.

The possible exception is the Lautaro. But again the counterfeit is very obvious if you take a couple minutes to compare the fronts of the counterfeit and real copies.

Here's another authentic copy for sale out of Argentina. Compare this to any of the other copies on eBay and you should see a glaring issue.

[auburn35]

Impressive research, again.
I'm assuming you're referring to the One, as the obvious difference on the Martinez.

Panini was very active in protecting their Rated Rookie Intellectual property, so if they similarly care about these fake and counterfeits it's possible Federico might soon be hearing from Panini.

[autos4alex]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

If there is an assertion that either printing of the counterfeit Zlatans in the OP (the original sunburnt one or the slightly improved one) existed prior to 2017, I would have to reconsider my claim that they originated from 1972soccerstickers, however absent that assertion, he is the source for these. And I strongly believe he is the source based on the method by which these were created.

He definitely sold me one a few years back. I would be excited to join any class action lawsuits against him. Purchase date was 8/30/2017

[bobbycass]

Originally Posted by autos4alex

He definitely sold me one a few years back. 8/30/2017

Do you still have it？

[Red Devil]

Federico Ornes? Wasn’t he the one who came up with that shady email from Panini regarding the Haaland Fussball reprints? So those are fake as well?

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by Red Devil

Federico Ornes? Wasn’t he the one who came up with that shady email from Panini regarding the Haaland Fussball reprints? So those are fake as well?

He never sold any of what BGS is calling the “light border” Haaland Fussball stickers. They originated in Europe.

I’m not sure what email you’re referring to off-hand.

[fadster]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

He never sold any of what BGS is calling the “light border” Haaland Fussball stickers. They originated in Europe.

I’m not sure what email you’re referring to off-hand.

The story is here, looks like he is the source of the email! Too many people say they got the sticker direct from Panini to doubt it's authenticity but it looks like the dodgy 500 limited edition story was something else he concocted.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1557...62676604223568

edit: sorry to be clear there was a supposed email from Panini going around saying that the white border second print was limited to 500 pieces

[Nobody0211]

I bought a few Fati megacracks rookies from him more than a year ago, and all came back altered from PSA. I have a couple other cards from him at PSA that have not popped yet.

[sportzking]

I took a look at my Rodrygo Promessas sticker. Since I don't have any other to compare to all I can say is the paper quality seems flimsy. It also doesn't have an even gloss across the sticker. It's not in perfect condition so that's the only takeaway I have on it hopefully not been a counterfeit.

Still have no idea, all I can say is guess I'm staying away from soccer stickers since I don't know enough on them.

[fadster]

Originally Posted by sportzking

I took a look at my Rodrygo Promessas sticker. Since I don't have any other to compare to all I can say is the paper quality seems flimsy. It also doesn't have an even gloss across the sticker. It's not in perfect condition so that's the only takeaway I have on it hopefully not been a counterfeit.

Still have no idea, all I can say is guess I'm staying away from soccer stickers since I don't know enough on them.

There are no genuine ones unfortunately, the whole line has been created out of thin air.

[sportzking]

Originally Posted by fadster

There are no genuine ones unfortunately, the whole line has been created out of thin air.

Ok, so I guess all these stickers are counterfeit. I'm still new to this so I'm guessing only Panini and Topps are genuine.

[avalanchefan21]

not surprised, thank goodness I steered clear of all auctions from this loser

[Raj3sh]

i have also bought 4 of them from him in ebay, this was in 2019 and he was selling all 4 for 10$ in average per item.

[Dragnet]

OP, thanks for some masterful investigatory work. As I am a soccer consultant with PSA, you can be sure all of this will get to them asap and hopefully will be addressed.

If you (or anyone else here) has anything more to add or is aware of other issues regarding PSA graded soccer cards/stickers, please PM me.

[Dragnet]

Both versions (light border, dark border) of the 2019 Panini Fussball Erling Haaland are authentic. This has been confirmed by Panini on multiple occasions. The one with a dark panel are "pack-issued", while those with the light panel were printed by Panini following the original set release in order to satisfy overwhelming demand for this sticker in particular. It is not clear how many of the light panel stickers were printed, and I don't believe Panini has ever publicly given a number.

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

He never sold any of what BGS is calling the “light border” Haaland Fussball stickers. They originated in Europe.

I’m not sure what email you’re referring to off-hand.

[bobbycass]

Originally Posted by Dragnet

Both versions (light border, dark border) of the 2019 Panini Fussball Erling Haaland are authentic. This has been confirmed by Panini on multiple occasions. The one with a dark panel are "pack-issued", while those with the light panel were printed by Panini following the original set release in order to satisfy overwhelming demand for this sticker in particular. It is not clear how many of the light panel stickers were printed, and I don't believe Panini has ever publicly given a number.

Will PSA differentiate between the three different Haalands?

[Dragnet]

There are 2 versions, and yes, I've been told they will be labeling these so as to differentiate going forward..

Originally Posted by bobbycass

Will PSA differentiate between the three different Haalands?

[Raj3sh]

Originally Posted by Dragnet

OP, thanks for some masterful investigatory work. As I am a soccer consultant with PSA, you can be sure all of this will get to them asap and hopefully will be addressed.

If you (or anyone else here) has anything more to add or is aware of other issues regarding PSA graded soccer cards/stickers, please PM me.

Do you have any insights about the campioni 2003 card of ronaldo, this was never seen long back, the same can be the said about the mbappe from the same set in 2017

[bobbycass]

Originally Posted by Dragnet

There are 2 versions, and yes, I've been told they will be labeling these so as to differentiate going forward..

There was talk of three versions.

THe original, the one with the white border chevron that doesnt lose colour and then one that looks like the original but has black back.

[Dragnet]

I presume you are referring to the Collezioni Firenze Campioni di Futuro tobacco style cards? Most of what I know about these is found on Alan's page and the comments therein: https://cartophilic-info-exch.blogsp...di-futuro.html

If anyone here has any additional insight, it would be much appreciated.

Originally Posted by Raj3sh

Do you have any insights about the campioni 2003 card of ronaldo, this was never seen long back, the same can be the said about the mbappe from the same set in 2017

[Dragnet]

I was not aware of a 3rd version. Only the pack-issued example, which looks identical to all others in the set, and then the post-set print which has the white background. If you could provide images for another example, if it exists, it would be helpful.

Originally Posted by bobbycass

There was talk of three versions.

THe original, the one with the white border chevron that doesnt lose colour and then one that looks like the original but has black back.

[fadster]

Originally Posted by Dragnet

Both versions (light border, dark border) of the 2019 Panini Fussball Erling Haaland are authentic. This has been confirmed by Panini on multiple occasions. The one with a dark panel are "pack-issued", while those with the light panel were printed by Panini following the original set release in order to satisfy overwhelming demand for this sticker in particular. It is not clear how many of the light panel stickers were printed, and I don't believe Panini has ever publicly given a number.

Originally Posted by Dragnet

I was not aware of a 3rd version. Only the pack-issued example, which looks identical to all others in the set, and then the post-set print which has the white background. If you could provide images for another example, if it exists, it would be helpful.

I believe the 3rd version came from the packs in the plain white boxes that Panini sold after the original pack release version and the direct order versions sold out.

A comparison can be seen here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGpw3FzH...=1q2ou0i2jfwtc

[Dragnet]

Thanks -- imho for the purposes of PSA grading/authentication, I wouldn't consider this to be a categorical variant.

Originally Posted by fadster

I believe the 3rd version came from the packs in the plain white boxes that Panini sold after the original pack release version and the direct order versions sold out.

A comparison can be seen here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGpw3FzH...=1q2ou0i2jfwtc

[MonsterTruck20]

I really don't think PSA can follow all the variations that exist with soccer cards and stickers.

Just recently I stumbled over this 2008-09 Panini Ronaldo card with sharp corners. It was printed in Brazil. The more common version was printed in Italy and has rounded corners.

Sharp corners 1 (Brazil)
Sharp corners 2 (Brazil)

Rounded corners 1 (Italy)
Rounded corners 2 (Italy)