2021 Marvel Metal X-men

[ForceChange77]

Ud just dumped 20,000 pmgs on the market, next week with this
Let’s see how long the pmg pump and dump will last

[One more set]

20,000 different pmg’s than the last ones! No one cares about the mojo pmg or the jackal pmg, but the Wolverine pmg and the deadpool pmg, come on. Gonna be a lot of chasers.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by ForceChange77

Ud just dumped 20,000 pmgs on the market, next week with this
Let’s see how long the pmg pump and dump will last

I think there will always be a pretty strong market for the PMGs- particularly the major characters such as Spiderman, Wolverine, etc. There may be 20,000 PMGs overall in the release, but only 100 of Spidey for example.

Originally with 2013 Retro, PMGs were huge. Then 2015 Marvel Retro was released with more PMGs, and I (and others I’m sure) thought oh boy, this will dilute things with the increased supply, and they wouldnt be as special or valued as much. I was, to my great surprise, wrong about this completely, and here we are in 2021 with PMGs going strong after several releases (probably what, >30,000 PMGs in the four sets before Metal? without looking up the numbers). The main characters especially, with all the character collectors out there.

[PurplesaurusRex]

Oh wow, just checked Ebay and noticed the prices on some of these PMGs. Thanks for the heads up.

[44gwilson]

Originally Posted by ForceChange77

Ud just dumped 20,000 pmgs on the market, next week with this
Let’s see how long the pmg pump and dump will last

You might wanna go over and have a look at sports PMGs, specifically basketball, before calling this a pump and dump. PMGs are desired cards everywhere.

[BobCollects]

The checklist is out if anyone is interested:

https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...universe-cards
https://www.beckett.com/news/2021-up...etal-universe/

The non-numbered insert odds are rough:

Arc Weld
28 cards.
1:48 packs.
SP (#23-28) - 1:576 packs

Blast Furnace
28 cards.
1:48 packs.
SP (#23-28) – 1:576 packs

Geodes
24 cards.
1:96 packs.
SP (#16-21) – 1:360 packs.
SP (#22-24) – 1:1,440 packs.

Palladium
50 cards.
1:12 packs.

Planet Metal
20 cards.
1:72 packs.

Platinum Portraits
25 cards.
1:600 packs.

Palladium is the easiest at one per box but with 50 cards that's a lot of boxes.

Purely Periodic (85 cards) are numbered based on the element on the card, ranging from /3 for Angel to /112 for Xorn. Comic Cuts (82 cards) range from /40 to /50. And 1995 Marvel Metal Buybacks are numbered /10.

"Hits" are either Autographs (18 cards all /10) or Sketch Cards (118 artists, 1:120 packs).

I went back and forth on this and eventually caved and pre-ordered four boxes at just under $150 each a few months ago from a BO competitor that now has them listed at $279.99. My plan was to open them all and hopefully put together most of a base set then sell everything else and use any profits to buy the base cards I didn't get.

Now I feel like the smart thing to do is keep them sealed given the already inflated prices and sell in a few years when the price is even higher.

[ForceChange77]

Originally Posted by 44gwilson

You might wanna go over and have a look at sports PMGs, specifically basketball, before calling this a pump and dump. PMGs are desired cards everywhere.

Pmgs have existed in Marvel cards for years and they were barely registering and sat on comc for years. But thank you for your education

[ForceChange77]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

I think there will always be a pretty strong market for the PMGs- particularly the major characters such as Spiderman, Wolverine, etc. There may be 20,000 PMGs overall in the release, but only 100 of Spidey for example.

Originally with 2013 Retro, PMGs were huge. Then 2015 Marvel Retro was released with more PMGs, and I (and others I’m sure) thought oh boy, this will dilute things with the increased supply, and they wouldnt be as special or valued as much. I was, to my great surprise, wrong about this completely, and here we are in 2021 with PMGs going strong after several releases (probably what, >30,000 PMGs in the four sets before Metal? without looking up the numbers). The main characters especially, with all the character collectors out there.

Fleer ultra spider-man pmgs we’re just kinda sitting there for multiple years and no one was buying. That’s obviously changed but with each character in x men getting a pmg, there is going to be a lot of bad characters getting pmgs

[fabiani12333]

That artwork for the Cyclops PMG they preview is terrible -- he's mostly in shadow with a grim look.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by ForceChange77

Fleer ultra spider-man pmgs we’re just kinda sitting there for multiple years and no one was buying. That’s obviously changed but with each character in x men getting a pmg, there is going to be a lot of bad characters getting pmgs

It looks like several of the Spider-man ultra pmg's on comc have print lines.

[ForceChange77]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

It looks like several of the Spider-man ultra pmg's on comc have print lines.

The ones on comc now are not the ones that sat on comc for years


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[fabiani12333]

The problem with the marvel pmg's is they have recycled generic art. Some of them look good like the Venom with Mark Bagley art. But most have fugly art. The production quality of these cards are very high, though -- they look great in person.

I would say the best use of recycled art for a recent Marvel card set are the 2015 Jambalaya -- UD did a good job designing them. The Thanos is a letdown, though -- he looks more like Apocalypse in that depiction.

[yaoming]

This at $300 a box seems rough
Not every box has pmg
Sketch is 1 a case
The SP Ssp inserts are tough to get


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[arek]

Originally Posted by yaoming

This at $300 a box seems rough
Not every box has pmg
Sketch is 1 a case
The SP Ssp inserts are tough to get


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I agree. Too much to spend on a few bits of cardboard

[44gwilson]

Originally Posted by yaoming

Not every box has pmg

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Yes it does…

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by arek

I agree. Too much to spend on a few bits of cardboard

In fairness can’t you say that about any card purchase? All kinds of high price boxes that contain just cardboard, from 1986 Fleer BB to 1996 Marvel Masterpieces to 2011 Topps Update, and yet there is a big market for these boxes.

To the above posters, It says numbered base parallels are 1 a box on average. This means PMG or pink/75 or purple 1/1. You will get one of these three things in a box on average (pink is not considered a PMG). So technically around 60% of boxes should have a PMG, the others you still get a numbered base parallel.

The sketches are slightly better than 1 per case (1:120 packs while cases are 144 packs), but this is kinda low I agree. Apparently sketches aren’t the main aspect of this set, a lot of the chase is in the parallels and rare inserts...of which there are a ton.

Lot of talk about the PMGs, but there look to be a lot of low #’d inserts as well that will be chased. Parallel inserts /‘d to 10 or less, platinum portraits 1:600 packs, SSP inserts.....this stuff will do well on the secondary market. And I think the buybacks from 1995 Metal (number only to 10) will do well, particularly the main characters. Apparently UD only wanted to buy up 10 1995 Marvel Metal sets, compare this to previous releases.

[DynaEtch]

The buyback set only has 118 of the original 138 card in the 1995 Marvel Metal set. UD removed 20 cards from it and it is interesting to compare lists to see what was taken out.

I get all the FF removals (FF, Silver Surfer, Galactus, Doom) and Punisher/Punisher 2099 (because the guns) and Holocaust (because the name?). But why Nightcrawler? Mandarin also isn’t included (because the name?). No Mephisto.....I guess because of the connection to Silver Surfer?

[arek]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

In fairness can’t you say that about any card purchase? All kinds of high price boxes that contain just cardboard, from 1986 Fleer BB to 1996 Marvel Masterpieces to 2011 Topps Update, and yet there is a big market for these boxes.
.

Yes, there is a market, however to me $300 a box isn’t RRP, it’s essentially price gouging.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

The buyback set only has 118 of the original 138 card in the 1995 Marvel Metal set. UD removed 20 cards from it and it is interesting to compare lists to see what was taken out.

I get all the FF removals (FF, Silver Surfer, Galactus, Doom) and Punisher/Punisher 2099 (because the guns) and Holocaust (because the name?). But why Nightcrawler? Mandarin also isn’t included (because the name?). No Mephisto.....I guess because of the connection to Silver Surfer?

The Mandarin card depicts him with the ten rings -- the back of the card gives a brief backstory on the rings. Perhaps Marvel has blocked any licensing of the Mandarin and the rings because they plan to incorporate it in the upcoming Shang Chi film.

[HiltonL]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

I get all the FF removals (FF, Silver Surfer, Galactus, Doom) and Punisher/Punisher 2099 (because the guns) and Holocaust (because the name?). But why Nightcrawler? Mandarin also isn’t included (because the name?). No Mephisto.....I guess because of the connection to Silver Surfer?

Nightcrawler has been banned from sketch cards for years now. I don't think we ever got an official explanation. There are a lot of entries on the sketch card ban list that similarly aren't explained.

[alphaomegas]

Originally Posted by arek

Yes, there is a market, however to me $300 a box isn’t RRP, it’s essentially price gouging.

Ding ding when this product was pre released was sold out in a sec. so much manipulation going on is insane. Put it this way 99$ a box to 300$ box that’s easy money all you need to do is know the right people. Collusion is running rampant and many people needs to go to jail.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by HiltonL

Nightcrawler has been banned from sketch cards for years now. I don't think we ever got an official explanation. There are a lot of entries on the sketch card ban list that similarly aren't explained.

Now that you mention it the most recent Nightcrawler sketch I have in my collection is 2008 Masterpieces. Didn’t even realize they banned him, interesting.

Originally Posted by arek

Yes, there is a market, however to me $300 a box isn’t RRP, it’s essentially price gouging.

Originally Posted by alphaomegas

Ding ding when this product was pre released was sold out in a sec. so much manipulation going on is insane. Put it this way 99$ a box to 300$ box that’s easy money all you need to do is know the right people. Collusion is running rampant and many people needs to go to jail.

Price gouging laws in the US are at the state level (most states, not all) and generally apply to periods of emergency, and essentials (like covid 19 last year and mask, TP gouging. Or charging $20 for a bottle of water in a devastated city after a major flood).

This is a box of trading cards, it is not an essential. Price gouging laws do not apply. What we are seeing here is the market speaking for the value of this box. At the moment, many people apparently value this box higher than the initial $150 box buy in (unclear where the $99 number above is coming from). Thus the price has gone up. When you consider that 2018 Fleer Ultra X-Men boxes (very similar set with PMGs) are now going $800+, this is not a surprise. UD happened to release this set during a perfect storm of PMG interest and Marvel card interest.

Now I don’t know the rules for UD authorized retailers and pricing, but apparently increasing the price on pre-orders is acceptable as DA is clearly doing it. From their perspective, if the product is selling out in minutes at $150, does it make sense to price it higher as the market seems to be dictating it’s worth more (possibly way more) than $150? Again from their perspective...yes.

[yaoming]

Originally Posted by 44gwilson

Yes it does…

It said one numbered card per box, so it could be the pink parallels instead of pmgs

So $300 is still decent price for this?
Will epack be available soon after physical release?


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[PurplesaurusRex]

Originally Posted by HiltonL

Nightcrawler has been banned from sketch cards for years now. I don't think we ever got an official explanation. There are a lot of entries on the sketch card ban list that similarly aren't explained.

I think Nightcrawler is still owned by the family of Dave Cockrum. They might have to get license approval from the family to use him in any products.

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by HiltonL

Nightcrawler has been banned from sketch cards for years now. I don't think we ever got an official explanation. There are a lot of entries on the sketch card ban list that similarly aren't explained.

Nightcrawler was a character Dave Cockrum created prior to coming to Marvel. It’s likely UD would have to pay Cockrum an additional fee to license the character and they don’t want to pay any additional licensing fees for certain characters if there are still so many to choose from.