GARY V joined the podcast this week

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by cowboyzqna

I found him annoying. I think that 85 percent of people reading this would have been just as successful as he is if they where givin a few million dollar headstart.


I have people on the team that went from dirt floor poor to running companies... that I respect. And I never hear them brag about their work ethic. It just speaks for itself.


Can't knock the hustle. Don't have to respect it.

Self made people don't need to brag because they have nothing to prove.

Gary V isn't self made. He may have worked hard but the dude was gifted a multimillion dollar wine business. He started on 3rd base, he could take massive risks because he had a huge safety net.

He's a great marketer but much of his "came from dirt" story that he loves to parade around isn't what it seems

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by cardinalsooner

Anyone heard anything sportscards related from out lord and savior Gary Vee? Dropped out of the National and seems to have ghosted the card world.

He uses his followers. They thought they were getting rich buying his pumped up cards (that crashed). Now they think they are getting rich buying his doodles (which will crash). He will circle back around, just give it time.

I followed him for a bit, because it was easy to see which direction he was pushing his sheep with cards. I made a killing by selling to them. But now I can't stand the nonstop crap about how NFTs are as big as the invention of the internet, bla, bla, bla. When he started asking all of his sheep to buy large quantities of his new book I had to unfollow. Just too much. And they are eating it up. To each their own, but the guy is a tool that uses people and they are too dumb to see it.

[boxbuster7]

There is that saying that every salesman still needs people to take the seats they are selling.

Gary Vee has persuaded people dumb enough to buy his "secret", which he has done rather successfully. Are any of his followers actually getting rich? Doubt it.

[Archangel1775]

I think he is a legit collector and can offer good advice just like anyone else on these boards. Of course the issue then becomes blurring the lines of inspiring others and using them to make you more money.

[Giroux]

Originally Posted by Hoopscardz83

This post should have been the Gary Vee suck off post. I don't care what billionaires think or do. They care about the $$, and could careless about anyone else. They do everything for themselves.

Billionaire?

[sebreg]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I think he is a legit collector and can offer good advice just like anyone else on these boards. Of course the issue then becomes blurring the lines of inspiring others and using them to make you more money.

Def the crux of the issue. At the end of the day I find his eat pray love for card bros schtick trite and tiring. That said I respect his baseline positive attitude though, which I initially found refreshing.

When one reaches these levels of followers/influence, hard to say how much one is using one's followers vs trying to give them legit info to the best of one's ability. Can be a mix of motivations. Plus, bit damned if you do damned if you don't. If one shares what one is picking up or what one likes, people say you are pumping. If you hide what you are picking up some people will say you aren't being transparent and manipulating behind the scenes.

[OneSickDegen]

Can't wait to see what Gary Vee is pumping next so I can flood into it like the rest of the bagholder lapdogs <3

I've never seen a human talk so much but say nothing quite like him. He's got magical liquor store powers.

[Kobefan]

Originally Posted by sebreg

Def the crux of the issue. At the end of the day I find his eat pray love for card bros schtick trite and tiring. That said I respect his baseline positive attitude though, which I initially found refreshing.

When one reaches these levels of followers/influence, hard to say how much one is using one's followers vs trying to give them legit info to the best of one's ability. Can be a mix of motivations. Plus, bit damned if you do damned if you don't. If one shares what one is picking up or what one likes, people say you are pumping. If you hide what you are picking up some people will say you aren't being transparent and manipulating behind the scenes.

It's much more acceptable if he keeps his opinion to himself. If he's going to manipulate the prices, it's better if he assumes all the risk by buying up most of the copies with his money than to convince others to gobble up the existing copies in the market.

[sebreg]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

It's much more acceptable if he keeps his opinion to himself. If he's going to manipulate the prices, it's better if he assumes all the risk by buying up most of the copies with his money than to convince others to gobble up the existing copies in the market.

Agreed.

[FT35]

Originally Posted by Hoopscardz83

This post should have been the Gary Vee suck off post. I don't care what billionaires think or do. They care about the $$, and could careless about anyone else. They do everything for themselves.

His opinion on cards has no value because he has a lot of money? Not sure I follow.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by Hoopscardz83

This post should have been the Gary Vee suck off post. I don't care what billionaires think or do. They care about the $$, and could careless about anyone else. They do everything for themselves.

The amount of money one makes has no relation whatsoever to their character or willingness to help others. There are plenty of greedy, careless people making 30k/year too.

The vast majority of people conform to a 9-5 mentality and then slowly over time some of them become disgruntled or jealous when they see anyone around them who chose a more lucrative path. When one is in their driveway washing their Toyota Corolla and the neighbor pulls up in a new Range Rover, it's so easy to spin that into a negative. The perception becomes "he must be a greedy SOB".

Case in point: There are dozens if not more individuals who are successful in the card business and have a social media following. How many of those individuals or businesses have a POSITIVE reputation among BO forum members? All I see is negativity. What are the odds that they are all greedy people who don't care about others?

It feels to me like nobody really has "permission" to be successful in cards. Once you cross a certain threshold you become another enemy on the list.

[Kobefan]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

The amount of money one makes has no relation whatsoever to their character or willingness to help others. There are plenty of greedy, careless people making 30k/year too.

The vast majority of people conform to a 9-5 mentality and then slowly over time some of them become disgruntled or jealous when they see anyone around them who chose a more lucrative path. When one is in their driveway washing their Toyota Corolla and the neighbor pulls up in a new Range Rover, it's so easy to spin that into a negative. The perception becomes "he must be a greedy SOB".

Case in point: There are dozens if not more individuals who are successful in the card business and have a social media following. How many of those individuals or businesses have a POSITIVE reputation among BO forum members? All I see is negativity. What are the odds that they are all greedy people who don't care about others?

It feels to me like nobody really has "permission" to be successful in cards. Once you cross a certain threshold you become another enemy on the list.

The person driving the Range Rover isn't going to make it more expensive for the other person to buy a Toyota or a Range Rover, so your analogy is flawed.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

It feels to me like nobody really has "permission" to be successful in cards. Once you cross a certain threshold you become another enemy on the list.

I don't think that is necessarily true. There are a lot of very respected and successful people in this hobby. I could start listing them but I don't think that is necessary. Jealousy is human nature to most. Hence, the comments that get hurled when undeserved at times. But Gary V doesn't fit the mold of undeserved. When you doodle a sketch in 7 seconds, then encourage your followers to buy for tens of thousands of dollars, that is straight manipulation of status that a blind man should be able to see. Then when he has a book release, he doesn't encourage them to just buy a copy. He wants everyone to buy dozens of copies to "help others". BS. He is trying to up his book sale numbers. Again, as transparent as glass. His followers are just dumb and blindly do what he says because he says he wants to help everyone and makes positive posts. Its a turtle shell.

But I agree 100% about net worth meaning nothing when it comes to character. There are good and bad at all spectrums of wealth (or lack thereof).

[sebreg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xpx0l6FXJU