Tua Tagovailoa

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Dolphinsfan1127

It's not Tua's fault, he doesn't have any offensive weapons to throw to.

His arm looks worse than it did in college.

[HeadstrongRSS]

Tua has no arm. Thats really it. Hes got bottom 10% of league arm talent. Theres no velocity at all. Accurate? Yeah. But can he stretch a defense at all? I dont think so.

[lambeauleap87]

I think they should move on because I didn't like Tua last year, and I think even less of him this year.

That said, I'm guessing they give him a full year of OTAs/preseason (hopefully). I'd lock down the offensive line with Sewell at #3, then hope to add one of the second tier WR play-makers at #18 (Olave, Bateman, maybe a guy like Waddle falls). Use some of that cap space to sign someone in the Golladay/Robinson/Aaron Jones type of group.

[Onepocketj]

To be honest, I was never really impressed by Tua and definitely worried about his injuries as well. Didn't Fitz look better every time he replaced him this year?

[CoolDadNick]

Wish I would’ve pulled this three weeks ago, not yesterday...




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[WalterAZ31]

id love to know on what planet how anyone can call Fitzpatrick season being "great"

id also love to know how anyone says to go with Fitzpatrick over Tua in any realistic world where you build around a 38 year old QB

these boards are funny

[Giancarlo27]

Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

id love to know on what planet how anyone can call Fitzpatrick season being "great"

id also love to know how anyone says to go with Fitzpatrick over Tua in any realistic world where you build around a 38 year old QB

these boards are funny

No one is saying to build around Fitz. What they are saying is that he was clearly the better QB this season, which is pretty inarguable. Like i said earlier, the Fins will and should give Tua another season but I don't see it going well, and think they will probably move on after next year.

[ALBASKETBALL]

Who is a mid tier NFL player comp for Tua? Maybe Jeff Garcia?

[shootit]

looking very prime to be a bust

[salthill]

Miami receivers:
- 29th in drops
- 27th in yards after catch

Miami backs:
- 29th in yards per carry
- 32nd in yards after contact

Is some of that Tua’s fault? Yes. (Potentially not throwing more catchable balls, or leading receivers into space.)
Is most of it Tua’s fault? Heck no.

[BRob1]

Just hoping the 3 Prizm rookies I sent off for grading are back in time to sell before next season starts.

[Hitman88]

Love looking at people on a message board that clearly have never ever watched one snap of a Miami game..people slurping Fitzpatrick please sit down he is atrocious ..Tua is
Coming off life altering surgery (a little over a year removed) , zero off season training camp, no mini camp, no preseason, with Chan gailey who runs an offense that hasn’t worked since the 1990s, on a team with 3 rookie offensive linemen , and game stop employees at the skill positions (outside of Parker(who’s always hurt) and gesicki ) the same people wanting Miami to move on after 9 games from their future franchise quarterback , are the same people that wanted to give tannehill another year after 6 bad ones or so...people crack me up and being a dolphin fan thank GOD, none of you guys are running my franchise


#FINSUP


PS go watch some tape of Tua if you think he doesn’t have arm strength

[Hitman88]

For everyone ready to give up on Tua


Take a look at josh Allen’s first TWO YEARS in the league, not 9 games first TWO YEARS

[Hitman88]

Originally Posted by brothertona

There is talk the Dolphins may take a QB? This seems absolutely crazy....... I'd definitely trade down with the Dolphins if I was the Falcons for the 18th and a 2nd rounder.

Lmao the 18th and a 2nd rounder for the #3?

Are you stoned?

[SteigerWRX]

I don't understand this instant superstar requirement some of you seem to have. There's no point in rehashing what the other pro-Tua people are saying (no preseason, no help, etc) which is all true. Look at one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, Peyton Mannings first season in comparison. Starting all season his team went 3-13, no playoffs , he threw 26 TDs and 28 INTs, 56.1% completion, sacked 22 times.

Could you imagine if the Colts had given up on him as fast as some of you are saying the Dolphins should give up on Tua?? Insane.

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[HeadstrongRSS]

Originally Posted by Hitman88

PS go watch some tape of Tua if you think he doesn’t have arm strength

I have. Its terrible. Terrible arm strength for a franchise QB in the NFL.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

I have. Its terrible. Terrible arm strength for a franchise QB in the NFL.

From your perspective, do you think its from an injury to his shoulder/arm? Maybe he still needs to strengthen that hip? Most of your power comes from that rotation.

[Dolphinsfan1127]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

I think they should move on because I didn't like Tua last year, and I think even less of him this year.

That said, I'm guessing they give him a full year of OTAs/preseason (hopefully). I'd lock down the offensive line with Sewell at #3, then hope to add one of the second tier WR play-makers at #18 (Olave, Bateman, maybe a guy like Waddle falls). Use some of that cap space to sign someone in the Golladay/Robinson/Aaron Jones type of group.

Tua played 10 games though. He's a rookie and rookies take time to adjust, look at Baker Mayfield.
In his 2nd season, the browns had Nick Chubb, Jarvis Landry, and Obj, all weapons that are far superior to what the dolphins had this season. He was in his 2nd season and led the browns to a 6-10 record.
On the other hand, Tua had pretty much no offensive weapons. Preston Williams: Injured. Running back core: Injured. Isaiah Ford: Can't catch. Mack Hollins: Can't catch. He STILL led the dolphins to the brink of the playoffs going 10-6 in his 1st season.
All I'm saying is give Tua a somewhat normal offseason, a new OC, (Don't even get me started on Chan Gailey.) and some offensive weapons. Development takes time, even wih the #5 pick in this past year's draft.

[rubendn]

Originally Posted by Giancarlo27

They wont be drafting another QB, but Tua is definitely not good. After a second mediocre year the Fins will be moving on

Unfortunately as a long time Dolphins' fan, I think this will be the case.

I don't think Chris Grier will admit the mistake of wasting the 5th overall pick the year before and then spending the 3rd pick the following year on another QB. He doesn't have the benefit of being in his first year and moving on from a prior administration's mistake like Kliff Kingsbury did.

Tua isn't or never was a running QB and unfortunately his arm strength is below average for an NFL QB. It looks painful when he tries to throw anything over a 10-yard pass. He will never have 7 1st rd picks running wide open like he did at Bama.

I hope I am 100% wrong and the reason for his struggles was having the worst collection of offensive skill players I've ever seen for the Dolphins after all the injuries. In one game they started 2 WR and a RB that were free-agent pick ups after the season started. It didn't seem to hamper Fitz as much though.

If they don't draft a QB, the most sense is trading down a few spots and taking Smith or Chase since a WR rarely goes in the top 5. Last receiver taken in the top 5 was Corey Davis 4 drafts ago.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Flores was stupid.

Playing Tua too early. Starting him, then pulling him. Starting him again. Once you put a rookie QB intentionally in a game (not because of injury, etc) you can’t go backwards. It never works. You’re going to wreck him, his confidence and his ability to feel comfortable making a mistake. Flores make quite a few big mistakes with Tua this year.

It will be interesting to see what they do in the off-season. It’s the Dolphins though, whatever they do won’t work.

I can't emphasize this enough. Flores never should have put him in to begin with. Way too early. And to pull him in games? just very poor decision making on his part. I think Tua is going to be a bust.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Hitman88

Love looking at people on a message board that clearly have never ever watched one snap of a Miami game..people slurping Fitzpatrick please sit down he is atrocious ..Tua is
Coming off life altering surgery (a little over a year removed) , zero off season training camp, no mini camp, no preseason, with Chan gailey who runs an offense that hasn’t worked since the 1990s, on a team with 3 rookie offensive linemen , and game stop employees at the skill positions (outside of Parker(who’s always hurt) and gesicki ) the same people wanting Miami to move on after 9 games from their future franchise quarterback , are the same people that wanted to give tannehill another year after 6 bad ones or so...people crack me up and being a dolphin fan thank GOD, none of you guys are running my franchise


#FINSUP



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1. I agree Fitzpatrick is atrocious: Atrocious enough to come in for Tua TWICE because he was completely ineffective. I see NO ONE here saying Fitzy is the answer long term.
2. All the reason he NEVER should have started or even played this year.
3. Where was tannehill mentioned? And how's he doing now on a well coached team?
4. Where's the arm strength in games? I'm seeing floaters.




[B]PS go watch some tape of Tua if you think he doesn’t have arm strength

I like Tua, but he never should have played this year. I called this in the Tua thread and it played out perfectly.

[LGBuffalo]

I'll agree I think his development in year one was handled poorly. If he's not ready, sit him for the year. There were no play-off expectations in Miami this year, so sitting him wouldn't have been an issue. However, if he is ready, then start him and let him play through his lumps. He definitely has the physical make-up to be a solid starting QB, but the up-and-down nature of his handling really hurt him. Not to mention I think his lack of arm-strength is coming down to that injured hip. He can't get proper rotation, so his throws are all arm and not being driven. I don't know how much of that can improve though given the nature of the injury.

[JeremyNick]

To me to comes down to this.
I’m not sold on Flores as a good HC. I questioned his decisions in putting Tua, a projected project QB coming off an injury, in during the season with no offseason, little to no training camp and no preseason.

I think the Dolphins organization has made recent poor decisions in regards to QBs and this is just another. Honestly the Dolphins are just a bad organization and it’s hard for QBs to grow and develop under trash organizations.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by rubendn

Unfortunately as a long time Dolphins' fan, I think this will be the case.

I don't think Chris Grier will admit the mistake of wasting the 5th overall pick the year before and then spending the 3rd pick the following year on another QB. He doesn't have the benefit of being in his first year and moving on from a prior administration's mistake like Kliff Kingsbury did.

Tua isn't or never was a running QB and unfortunately his arm strength is below average for an NFL QB. It looks painful when he tries to throw anything over a 10-yard pass. He will never have 7 1st rd picks running wide open like he did at Bama.

I hope I am 100% wrong and the reason for his struggles was having the worst collection of offensive skill players I've ever seen for the Dolphins after all the injuries. In one game they started 2 WR and a RB that were free-agent pick ups after the season started. It didn't seem to hamper Fitz as much though.

If they don't draft a QB, the most sense is trading down a few spots and taking Smith or Chase since a WR rarely goes in the top 5. Last receiver taken in the top 5 was Corey Davis 4 drafts ago.

That's the unfortunate issue with those saying the phins have no weapons for Tua. Fitz didn't seem to have the issues Tua did with the same players.


Again: Fitz is not the answer long term and I don't think Tua will be.

[k13]

On nuts off nuts really quick on here lol