Rolling Thread for Fake 1991 Topps Desert Shield Cards - Page 2

hxcmilkshake · 01-16-2021, 05:56 PM

Wow PSA.

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whitesoxfan3579 · 01-16-2021, 06:23 PM

I love this set. Really sucks that it’s a gamble anytime you buy a DS card and completely unacceptable that so many fakes slipped by the grading companies!

joe73 · 01-16-2021, 07:54 PM

Thanks for posting these.

One more nail in the grading companies' coffins.

MoreToppsPlease · 01-16-2021, 09:11 PM

If PSA can’t tell whether Desert Shield stamps are counterfeit, how could they possibly tell if simple “1/1” stamps are?

speedyjg13 · 01-16-2021, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

There is someone in SoCal attempting to sell a Chipper Jones, he wont send me close up pictures of the stamp.

Who is it in So Cal? A card shop?

Also, what about the stamp lets you know its real or fake?

rcmb3220 · 01-16-2021, 09:27 PM

Based on the certs they’ve never been able to spot a fake.

blitzaceod · 01-16-2021, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Whole bunch of PSA-graded fakes up for sale from averagejoes2323 on eBay. Buyer beware, though these are not impressive counterfeits.

Looks like Average Joe's in Buena Park CA. Too bad, good guys there last time I went in

Bruins1993 · 01-16-2021, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

If PSA can’t tell whether Desert Shield stamps are counterfeit, how could they possibly tell if simple “1/1” stamps are?

It's like asking if PSA has ever used a blacklight to detect recoloring... I think they have taken collectors as idiots for decades, and most of the collectors prove them right.

MoreToppsPlease · 01-17-2021, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruins1993

It's like asking if PSA has ever used a blacklight to detect recoloring... I think they have taken collectors as idiots for decades, and most of the collectors prove them right.

Yes, but only naive collectors who primarily collect and don’t care much about investing or value, per se.

PSA’s actions show they cater to flippers who primarily or exclusively care about value and not collecting cards.

This is not surprising as making collectibles more expensive is their mission statement...but the “collectible” PSA is talking about isn’t cards, but their slabs.

PSA itself repeatedly shows that accuracy isn’t as important as raising the value of their slabs is.

joe73 · 01-17-2021, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Yes, but only naive collectors who primarily collect and don’t care much about investing or value, per se.

PSA’s actions show they cater to flippers who primarily or exclusively care about value and not collecting cards.

This is not surprising as making collectibles more expensive is their mission statement...but the “collectible” PSA is talking about isn’t cards, but their slabs.

PSA itself repeatedly shows that accuracy isn’t as important as raising the value of their slabs is.

100 percent right. Just look at the recent Cracker Jack reprint fiasco.

3124508 on COMC · 01-20-2021, 10:05 AM

Fake Chipper up from Probstein. A cursory review of VCP indicates that most SGC graded copies of this card are not authentic.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/363259140229

pip · 01-20-2021, 11:05 AM

Maybe even a bigger problem is the SGC holder that appears to have been cracked open and resealed. Kind of surprised that wasn't spotted before the card was listed. Then again, it's Probstein.

3124508 on COMC · 01-20-2021, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

Maybe even a bigger problem is the SGC holder that appears to have been cracked open and resealed. Kind of surprised that wasn't spotted before the card was listed. Then again, it's Probstein.

FWIW, if the card was switched out, the original was fake too. Didn't check to see if it was the same card though.

pip · 01-20-2021, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

FWIW, if the card was switched out, the original was fake too. Didn't check to see if it was the same card though.

I was thinking it was a WIWAG strategem where a legit, high-grade card is continually submitted to obtain the necessary flips for counterfeit/lower-grade cards but I guess that's not the situation here. I mean, it's not like SGC graders have any ability whatsoever to properly identify DS counterfeits.

houdini · 01-20-2021, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I recall two major breaks happening with 1991 Topps Desert Shield. The first was on the PSA forums in the late 2000s when BBCE purchased 5-10 unopened boxes from a collector. BBCE sold boxes and packs from that purchase on their website and those were scooped up relatively quickly. I won 2 BBCE authenticated packs from that group. I believe there was a group break in the PSA forums but I cant recall. The other was the box break Houdini hosted here about 5 years ago. The box probably came from BBCE. You'll have to search the thread.

I opened several. All were BBCE authenticated and nobody has ever questioned the cards. There might have been 2 cards per box that could gem. It was fun though.

Archangel1775 · 01-21-2021, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by houdini

I opened several. All were BBCE authenticated and nobody has ever questioned the cards. There might have been 2 cards per box that could gem. It was fun though.

Thanks for confirming that Houdini, the box may have originally come from that same BBCE find. I remember watching and sadly couldn't get in on that. I don't think we'll ever see that break again unless BBCE still has a few boxes in their vault or Fritsch is holding cases of them.

Edited to add: The same person on FB Marketplace is still trying to sell the fake chipper in SoCal. I think the profile may have changed to a woman though.

Bowman1951 · 01-21-2021, 10:07 AM

What sucks is, and I think Topps has learned from, is that they didn't serial code these on the back any differently. Now with SP's and other parallels, at least they change up the coding on them so it's basically impossible to "fake" something like this from an original, common card.

3124508 on COMC · 02-08-2021, 03:56 PM

Nolan Ryan fake graded PSA 9 ending in a few hours. The BGS 9 Chipper being sold by the same seller appears to be authentic.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/154318003992

3124508 on COMC · 02-09-2021, 12:08 PM

COMC is drowning in fake Desert shield cards. Here's several fakes that they recently auctioned on eBay.

3124508 on COMC · 02-09-2021, 12:14 PM

Fake Ripken for sale.

https://www.comc.com/item/87087355

3124508 on COMC · 02-09-2021, 12:21 PM

3124508 on COMC · 02-09-2021, 12:27 PM

COMC user Mrjames2122 has over 80 Desert Shield cards for sale and every single one is fake.

https://www.comc.com/Users/Mrjames21...+desert+shield

Some examples:

superdan49 · 02-09-2021, 01:25 PM

These aren't even the good fakes. Hopefully COMC takes them down.

kyle1707 · 02-09-2021, 01:29 PM

He was one of my favorite players. Chipper jones

But I have never bought a desert shield because of this

I have heard about the fakes for a few years now

But if Psa and bgs can’t tell should they really be grading them ?

MoreToppsPlease · 02-09-2021, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle1707

He was one of my favorite players. Chipper jones

But I have never bought a desert shield because of this

I have heard about the fakes for a few years now

But if Psa and bgs can’t tell should they really be grading them ?

If PSA and BGS cared at all, had a good process, and knew what they were doing they should be grading them. All they need to do is read this thread.

But alas, your question just makes grading seem more like a sham. Or rather, it exposes the market for graded cards as a sham.

01-16-2021, 09:11 PM	#29
MoreToppsPlease Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 8,676	If PSA can’t tell whether Desert Shield stamps are counterfeit, how could they possibly tell if simple “1/1” stamps are? __________________ IRS Tax Tip 2022-57 A hobby is any activity that a person pursues because they enjoy it and with no intention of making a profit. People operate a business with the intention of making a profit.

01-20-2021, 10:05 AM	#36
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,370	Fake Chipper up from Probstein. A cursory review of VCP indicates that most SGC graded copies of this card are not authentic. https://www.ebay.com/itm/363259140229 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

01-21-2021, 10:07 AM	#42
Bowman1951 Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Boston 'Burbs Posts: 4,716 djblitz Bowman1951	What sucks is, and I think Topps has learned from, is that they didn't serial code these on the back any differently. Now with SP's and other parallels, at least they change up the coding on them so it's basically impossible to "fake" something like this from an original, common card. __________________ I am the head promoter of one of the most successful Saturday monthly card shows in New England. https://flippincardshow.com/

02-08-2021, 03:56 PM	#43
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,370	Nolan Ryan fake graded PSA 9 ending in a few hours. The BGS 9 Chipper being sold by the same seller appears to be authentic. https://www.ebay.com/itm/154318003992 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

02-09-2021, 12:08 PM	#44
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,370	COMC is drowning in fake Desert shield cards. Here's several fakes that they recently auctioned on eBay. __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

01-16-2021, 05:56 PM	#26
hxcmilkshake Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Apopka FL Posts: 11,266 hxcmilkshake	Wow PSA. Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk

01-16-2021, 06:23 PM	#27
whitesoxfan3579 Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 2,007 alaa6385-53jvwf	I love this set. Really sucks that it’s a gamble anytime you buy a DS card and completely unacceptable that so many fakes slipped by the grading companies!

01-16-2021, 07:54 PM	#28
joe73 Banned Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 726	Thanks for posting these. One more nail in the grading companies' coffins.

01-16-2021, 09:27 PM	#31
rcmb3220 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 4,136	Based on the certs they’ve never been able to spot a fake.

01-20-2021, 11:05 AM	#37
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	Maybe even a bigger problem is the SGC holder that appears to have been cracked open and resealed. Kind of surprised that wasn't spotted before the card was listed. Then again, it's Probstein.

02-09-2021, 12:14 PM	#45
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,370	Fake Ripken for sale. https://www.comc.com/item/87087355 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

02-09-2021, 12:21 PM	#46
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,370	User sjwk2000 has several fakes up for sale. FAKES: https://www.comc.com/item/87321251 https://www.comc.com/item/87321361 https://www.comc.com/item/87323511 https://www.comc.com/item/87321390 https://www.comc.com/item/87321585 https://www.comc.com/item/87323502 https://www.comc.com/item/87323531 https://www.comc.com/item/87321119 https://www.comc.com/item/87323548 https://www.comc.com/item/87323552 https://www.comc.com/item/87323592 https://www.comc.com/item/87323538 https://www.comc.com/item/87323554 https://www.comc.com/item/87323567 https://www.comc.com/item/87323624 https://www.comc.com/item/87323577 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

02-09-2021, 12:27 PM	#47
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,370	COMC user Mrjames2122 has over 80 Desert Shield cards for sale and every single one is fake. https://www.comc.com/Users/Mrjames21...+desert+shield Some examples: __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

02-09-2021, 01:25 PM	#48
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	These aren't even the good fakes. Hopefully COMC takes them down. __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

02-09-2021, 01:29 PM	#49
kyle1707 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 20,351	He was one of my favorite players. Chipper jones But I have never bought a desert shield because of this I have heard about the fakes for a few years now But if Psa and bgs can’t tell should they really be grading them ?