NBA Stars that are Undervalued in this Crazy Market!

[ballhawkdawk]

Stephen Curry. People think he’s done. He’s not. 2 rings left. Top 10 all time. Book it. He’s the best value in the hobby right now in terms of risk to upside ratio.

[PSA2Pac]

Originally Posted by 90sbasketballin

Magic- the best point guard of all time who has autos that sell for $30... How?

demand. plain and simple.

even for me, he was on the tail end of his career when I was young. Jordan was king. Its generational. The folks that appreciate Magic have had access to his stuff for decades at this point and the price is reflective of whatever demand theres been.

its 100,000 lions fighting for 10,000 spring chickens (Luka, Zion, etc) vs 10,000 lions fighting for 5,000 dry-aged filet mignons (Magic, Hakeem, etc)

[Vinny1984]

Originally Posted by Promethius88

None. Even if you think they are undervalued today, they are most likely overvalued. Everything is overvalued at this point and when there is a market correction and the sneaker bois and pumpers and dumpers have left the building, it will all come down.

I keep hearing this. I’ll play devils advocate. What if the market does not “correct itself”? What if this is the new market? What if these sneaker heads and investors stay? There has been zero indication that this market will reverse anytime soon.

[PSA2Pac]

Originally Posted by Vinny1984

I keep hearing this. I’ll play devils advocate. What if the market does not “correct itself”? What if this is the new market? What if these sneaker heads and investors stay? There has been zero indication that this market will reverse anytime soon.

100%. There might be a tiny correction but flippers arent going anywhere! lol I dont know how many people Ive spoke to, that used to collect as a kid, that hopped back in recently. Me included.

Old timers, dads getting back in after being out of the game for a decade or two, and flippers/resellers/investors, plus mixed with the unprecedented sports layoff..

you folks that think the market has hit a peak havent seen anything yet. Wait until these games get going again.

[Willikn]

Grant Hill

HOFer whose rookie cards can be had in large part for $1

[Josie27]

Originally Posted by PSA2Pac

100%. There might be a tiny correction but flippers arent going anywhere! lol I dont know how many people Ive spoke to, that used to collect as a kid, that hopped back in recently. Me included.

Old timers, dads getting back in after being out of the game for a decade or two, and flippers/resellers/investors, plus mixed with the unprecedented sports layoff..

you folks that think the market has hit a peak havent seen anything yet. Wait until these games get going again.

That's 1 month away. How about 2 or 3 years from now, you really think the hockey stick chart will continue?

[MyckKabongo]

Originally Posted by heatdawg

Once AD is not paired with LBJ, does he still hold value? Very doubtful, he will go back to what he was pre-lebron. That's what makes Lebron great, he just makes everyone around him look so much better.

Lebron probably has 5 more years in the tank as an impact player though I expect AD surpasses him as the alpha in a couple years (kinda like Magic surpassed Kareem). Lotta people expect the Lakers to get a 3rd superstar in the next year or two enabling the team to remain a contender as Lebron declines. Being on the Lakers by itself is a huge deal for ADs hobby relevance, regardless of if/when Lebron retires.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by Willikn

Grant Hill

HOFer whose rookie cards can be had in large part for $1

Man...Hill, Penny & McGrady. Just got injured in their primes. That’s the only thing that held them back.


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[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

Lebron probably has 5 more years in the tank as an impact player though I expect AD surpasses him as the alpha in a couple years (kinda like Magic surpassed Kareem). Lotta people expect the Lakers to get a 3rd superstar in the next year or two enabling the team to remain a contender as Lebron declines. Being on the Lakers by itself is a huge deal for ADs hobby relevance, regardless of if/when Lebron retires.

A lot of truth here. I think LA finally gave AD the spotlight he needed. His effectiveness is still underrated because many people just see LeBron, but AD is an absolute beast. I really want to see Giannis vs AD in the finals!


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[Promethius88]

Originally Posted by Vinny1984 View Post
I keep hearing this. I’ll play devils advocate. What if the market does not “correct itself”? What if this is the new market? What if these sneaker heads and investors stay? There has been zero indication that this market will reverse anytime soon.

Originally Posted by PSA2Pac

100%. There might be a tiny correction but flippers arent going anywhere! lol I dont know how many people Ive spoke to, that used to collect as a kid, that hopped back in recently. Me included.

Old timers, dads getting back in after being out of the game for a decade or two, and flippers/resellers/investors, plus mixed with the unprecedented sports layoff..

you folks that think the market has hit a peak havent seen anything yet. Wait until these games get going again.

For both of you, I'm not saying the market is going to bottom out tomorrow and I'm not saying that we have seen that top. But, to believe it is not going to happen is just being naive.
There is one word to explain why it will happen and that word is greed. Flippers not going anywhere?? Is this a serious statement?? Flippers flip only if there is money to be made. When they can't run to the local Walmart or Target and double or triple their money, yes, they will move on. When they can't take a $4 base card and get it in a gem mint holder and sell it for $100, yes, they will move on.
The Gary V type crowds will move on when they are told to. A very small number of people may stay in the actual "hobby" but a huge amount of money will go bye-bye. You will probably be able to hear the sucking sound as the begin their max exodus.
This isn't the first time this has happened in the hobby. If you weren't around in the 80's and 90's you don't understand it. If you were around and witnessed it, please take off your blinders and see it for what it is. There were flippers back then. They just weren't on the internet. They were at the dozens of card shows you could find locally every week or the card shops that sprung up on every corner.
Back to the greed. We all want to open that pack we get off the shelf and pull at $1k card so we chase, we hunt and in some cases stalk...waiting for those shelves to be filled. Panini sees this so what do they do?? Crank up the presses and mass produce to fill the void. There is also a mass hoarding of unopened product that creates a bit of false scarcity. Pretty easy to see that just by the pics posted in this forum. Next Panini gets even more greedy and says "screw you dealers and distributors" and starts selling directly to the public at secondary market prices. Panini is doing exactly what Topps, Fleer, Donruss did in the late 80's and early 90's. Pumping out the main sets, 50 different offsprings and different products. There's only so much people will take.
Look, I love the hobby and I love the excitement of turning a huge profit on some card I pulled out of a pack for $20. Only reason I got into this newer stuff is to turn a profit to put back into the vintage stuff that I love to collect.
Would it be great if the market kept going up and up and up?? Sure, I guess. As long as there are enough people with enough disposable income.
It is going to drop again one day and we will look back with some fondness and some pain on those 1987 Donruss Jim Lindeman(insert whichever 19-20 hot rookie that you believe will be the next Michael Jordan) cards and laugh at how we all thought we were going to retire off the stack of them that we had sitting in boxes. Only we didn't take into account that every schmo was also sitting on a giant stack of them and he hadn't done anything in his career.
Enjoy the quick money now....and I do mean that. I hope everyone does well. Just know that there are going to be some people that get left holding the bag and some of them are going to be people that can't afford it.
Be safe and be well! Oh, and collect what you love regardless of it's value!! That's what a hobby is all about!

[tjforce]

Back to OPs questions:

AD- May or may not be on the cusp. He's without a doubt in my mind one of the best 2 way players in the game. He's in the NBAs biggest market. He very well may be a few months away from an NBA title, and it's not out of the question that he could wind up Finals MVP. If you believe at all in advanced stats like VORP (which I give limited credibility to), he's 3rd all time behind only MJ and LeBron. The guy has racked up 7 all star appearances by age 26.

Lillard on the other hand, is a heck of a scorer, but will be 30 years old in 2 weeks. He has 5 all star appearances, limited playoff success (Like AD at this point), and is on a team that is currently 10 games under .500. I just don't see what makes him stand out long term.

Other guys mentioned: Curry has his place in history, and some prices reflect it. The big upside to him is if Golden State is able to retool around him so that he can do what he does best, they could be contenders again pretty quickly.

[Willikn]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Man...Hill, Penny & McGrady. Just got injured in their primes. That’s the only thing that held them back.

Those guys all pretty much the same price they were before the spike.

[jcmel323]

When you increase prices on regular players, the star became undervalue, when the star is close in value as the superstar, then the superstar is undervalue.
Just buy the superstar and forget about the flippers.
The flippers automatically will drive up prices in superstars rc cards.

[Noah]

Curry & Kawhi

[pharmboymatt]

Cody Martin and Ty Jerome.



This is the pump n dump thread, right?

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by 90sbasketballin

Here are some players that I think are undervalued atm:

Kemba Walker- a super talented team player who had been on a horrible team for 8 years and didn't get the same recognition he deserved.

Giannis- legit the ideal ballplayer without a jump shot. Still very young and has only been getting better.

Kyrie- lot of negativity surrounding his name but when he and KD are healthy on that Nets team in the Eastern Conference, who knows what they are capable of?


90s bois Kards:

Hakeem- just gifted all around and doesn't get the recognition he deserves. Top 5 PF of all time. Fundamental monster and pure skill.

Magic- the best point guard of all time who has autos that sell for $30... How?

Big time agreement on Kemba. The Celtics should be solid for years to come and he’s going to share some of the spotlight with Tatum.


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[ninjacookies]

ITT: everyone names their personal holdings in the hopes a BIN trigger sequence ensues



Fine. I'll come right out and say it. Uwe Blab.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

ITT: everyone names their personal holdings in the hopes a BIN trigger sequence ensues



Fine. I'll come right out and say it. Uwe Blab.

Haha yea people pump on here for sure. On the other hand, everyone is so sensitive about not being called a pumper that they are afraid to share positive opinions about players that aren’t LeBron, MJ, Giannis, or Luka.

Personally I’m a very small fish with a very small collection, but I love the excitement of the hobby these days, even if there are some bad apples out there.


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[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Haha yea people pump on here for sure. On the other hand, everyone is so sensitive about not being called a pumper that they are afraid to share positive opinions about players that aren’t LeBron, MJ, Giannis, or Luka.

Personally I’m a very small fish with a very small collection, but I love the excitement of the hobby these days, even if there are some bad apples out there.


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Your Tapatalkin' seems genuine and sincere.


Would invite to my bar mitzvah.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Your Tapatalkin' seems genuine and sincere.


Would invite to my bar mitzvah.

Haha much appreciated my friend!


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[colbycolbycolby]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

That’s fair, I think with a restart AD has real growth potential. I know the hobby doesn’t love PGs but to me Lillard is on another planet. Probably would need a trade to a larger market to boost his stock but the talent is there.


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AD cards had their run before Giannis arrived. His hoppy potential already peaked.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by colbycolbycolby

AD cards had their run before Giannis arrived. His hoppy potential already peaked.

Have you seen the recent prices on his 2012 Prizm?

[tjforce]

But as someone else mentioned, it's not necessarily about the player as much as it is about the set/card in a lot of cases.

You can buy a PSA 10 Prizm AD for $1,500 or a BGS 9 National Treasures for $8,000. I'm not even a huge RPA fan, but to me that seems like a no brainer to go with the NT RPA.

Same goes for Kawhi

[minnesotachill]

I think Zach Lavine still has his best years ahead of him

His numbers are solid every year and he's been clutch.

If Anthony Davis teamed up with him in Chicago, or he left for a team like Houston, his cards would skyrocket.


Derozan has been rumored to want out of SA, possibly to a bigger market team, which could help his value alot.


Lots of scenarios where Joel Embiid cards could explode. We've seen glimpses of how good he can be.

If Philly gives up on him and ships him to a team like NY or Brooklyn, we could see lots of up arrows.

If he actually dedicates himself to getting in shape, and starts eating better, his game could improve dramatically too. Not to mention, Philly could be a top team in the East for years to come if he sticks around.

[daeve]

Mostly the young superstar bigs... Jokic, Embiid... and hell, KAT was once overvalued and has dipped to undervalued.