Why isn't Mike Alstott in the Hall of Fame? - Page 2

asujbl · 10-18-2019, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Stifle

Being the 9th best ever Fullback, the chance of him being voted in isn't that of a long shot. He was ahead of Alan Ameche, ahead of T. Richardson. L. Neal, T. Rathman and L. Centers who were all STUDS.

And those are logical comparisons

49erRCCollector · 10-18-2019, 04:27 PM

I liked Alstott. The Hall weighs a lot of factors, not sure he checks enough boxes, though the argument for is not an uncompelling one.

cardmole · 10-18-2019, 04:34 PM

Not HOF in the hobby for sure. Dunn either.

whoshotjr · 10-18-2019, 04:46 PM

I think he's hard to compare to other players. He was always listed as a fullback, but I think most of his stats were as a powerback with someone else lead blocking, or as a single back. In '98 the Bucs even had Lorenzo Neal on their roster and Alstott would line up behind him quite frequently IIRC.

It's kind of similar thing as Larry Centers. He was listed a fullback, but it seemed like he was more of a receiving H-back, or he lined up as one of the backs in a 2 back split shotgun. Probably similar to Keith Byars as well.

I will plead ignorance on how Alstott was as a blocker. I just know he checked the versatile and entertaining boxes. Maybe 2 more years as a a heavily used offensive weapon would have helped, his usage trailed off massively after he got hurt.

discostu · 10-18-2019, 04:53 PM

* Try the papaya *

dfr52 · 10-18-2019, 05:18 PM

Speaking of FB's, one who had an obscure career was Pete Johnson. Played 8 years and totaled 82 career touchdowns.

Stifle · 10-18-2019, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

And those are logical comparisons

If we compare positions by era, Mike is ahead of all other recent players at his position and the last FB to be inducted has been forever. In my opinion that is a logical comparison.

Alan Ameche is in the Hall and he was 10th best in the vote. I believe that is another logical comparison but once again, that is my opinion.

49erRCCollector · 10-18-2019, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dfr52

Speaking of FB's, one who had an obscure career was Pete Johnson. Played 8 years and totaled 82 career touchdowns.

Dan Bunz disagrees.

dfr52 · 10-18-2019, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Dan Bunz disagrees.

Who runs a play away from Anthony Munoz's side?lol

Ken Anderson was so close to a ring.lol

dfr52 · 10-18-2019, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Stifle

If we compare positions by era, Mike is ahead of all other recent players at his position and the last FB to be inducted has been forever. In my opinion that is a logical comparison.

Alan Ameche is in the Hall and he was 10th best in the vote. I believe that is another logical comparison but once again, that is my opinion.

Ameche is not in the HOF. But I agree that Alstott was probably the last great all around FB.

pejc300 · 10-18-2019, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dfr52

Speaking of FB's, one who had an obscure career was Pete Johnson. Played 8 years and totaled 82 career touchdowns.

What the heck? How have I never heard of this guy - ever? 82 TD's in 8 years???

dfr52 · 10-18-2019, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pejc300

What the heck? How have I never heard of this guy - ever? 82 TD's in 8 years???

Yea, he has been lost to history. His rushing numbers are poor but he found the end zone pretty regularly.lol

BoxBreaker72 · 10-18-2019, 07:03 PM

The modern FB position doesn't get the love it deserves. I would compare a modern FB to an OL or TE before a RB.

I would put Moose Johnston and Alstott in. Maybe a couple more also.

88horsepower · 10-18-2019, 07:35 PM

I'd put Lorenzo Neal in before Alstott. However, I wouldn't be mad at all if Alstott got in.

Stifle · 10-18-2019, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dfr52

Ameche is not in the HOF. But I agree that Alstott was probably the last great all around FB.

Yes he is, Wisconsin Hall of Fame, College Hall of Fame and the Rose Bowl Hall of Fame. He has a trifecta and eventually will go in as a Pro Football Hall of Fame.

dfr52 · 10-18-2019, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Stifle

Yes he is, Wisconsin Hall of Fame, College Hall of Fame and the Rose Bowl Hall of Fame. He has a trifecta and eventually will go in as a Pro Football Hall of Fame.

I don't believe the thread was referring to any of those though.

Ameche's run in the title game might help his cause.

majestik101 · 10-19-2019, 01:53 AM

I wish I had some cards of him.

ninjacookies · 10-19-2019, 02:43 AM

Still regret selling his 2012 NT shield auto 1/1 back in the day. His high end actually sells quite well.

Put him in. F#$k it.

mc1 · 10-19-2019, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Stifle

Yes he is, Wisconsin Hall of Fame, College Hall of Fame and the Rose Bowl Hall of Fame. He has a trifecta and eventually will go in as a Pro Football Hall of Fame.

The only HOF that matters is the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Nobody ever heard of or cares about the other ones you mentioned.

majestik101 · 10-19-2019, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Still regret selling his 2012 NT shield auto 1/1 back in the day. His high end actually sells quite well.

Put him in. F#$k it.

One of the few players I will seek out and buy college cards of. Well, him and Steve Young. I actually like his college cards. 2014 SPx was such a sleek design. Very underappreciated.

https://flic.kr/p/2hxioTL

Stifle · 10-19-2019, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dfr52

I don't believe the thread was referring to any of those though.

Ameche's run in the title game might help his cause.

Figured he was in Canton because he was in all the others. I believe it was the 58 Championship game and that run must be in a picture or is played on film in Canton.

I believe Mike eventually makes it in. what I like to utilize is the decades best players at their position but when a player arrives in the middle of a decade it's nearly impossible.

Mc1 -

I would believe every Hall of Fame from College to the Pro's are appreciated and respected by those in the game.

ssbledsoe · 10-19-2019, 06:11 PM

No Alstott until Bledsoe gets his propers...

TheFrenzy · 10-19-2019, 06:23 PM

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ucLAkers · 10-19-2019, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pejc300

What the heck? How have I never heard of this guy - ever? 82 TD's in 8 years???

Because he played in the days when Sanders, Emmitt, & Irvin ruled the field! Nobody else mattered...

JeremyNick · 10-19-2019, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

No Alstott until Bledsoe gets his propers...

They are both good. Propers served. Neither should sniff the hall.

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10-18-2019, 04:34 PM	#28
cardmole Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Redondo Beach Posts: 3,266	Not HOF in the hobby for sure. Dunn either.

10-18-2019, 04:46 PM	#29
whoshotjr Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Midwest Posts: 753	I think he's hard to compare to other players. He was always listed as a fullback, but I think most of his stats were as a powerback with someone else lead blocking, or as a single back. In '98 the Bucs even had Lorenzo Neal on their roster and Alstott would line up behind him quite frequently IIRC. It's kind of similar thing as Larry Centers. He was listed a fullback, but it seemed like he was more of a receiving H-back, or he lined up as one of the backs in a 2 back split shotgun. Probably similar to Keith Byars as well. I will plead ignorance on how Alstott was as a blocker. I just know he checked the versatile and entertaining boxes. Maybe 2 more years as a a heavily used offensive weapon would have helped, his usage trailed off massively after he got hurt.

10-18-2019, 05:18 PM	#31
dfr52 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,071	Speaking of FB's, one who had an obscure career was Pete Johnson. Played 8 years and totaled 82 career touchdowns.

10-18-2019, 07:03 PM	#38
BoxBreaker72 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 10,353	The modern FB position doesn't get the love it deserves. I would compare a modern FB to an OL or TE before a RB. I would put Moose Johnston and Alstott in. Maybe a couple more also.

10-18-2019, 07:35 PM	#39
88horsepower Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Somewhere In Time Posts: 23,857	I'd put Lorenzo Neal in before Alstott. However, I wouldn't be mad at all if Alstott got in.

10-19-2019, 01:53 AM	#42
majestik101 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Socially Distanced Posts: 45,182 majestik101	I wish I had some cards of him.

10-19-2019, 02:43 AM	#43
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 57,093	Still regret selling his 2012 NT shield auto 1/1 back in the day. His high end actually sells quite well. Put him in. F#$k it.

10-19-2019, 06:23 PM	#48
TheFrenzy Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Texan in AZ Posts: 44,115	These Gar-hippo-lo avatars have me like: