Dave Dombrowski Fired by Red Sox

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by 3AND4

& brian cashman somehow still has his job!

As a NON PITCHER junk heap talent evaluater he gets an A+.

Rest of his tenure is an F-!

I give him NO Credit for the 98-00 World Series as he just rode Gene Michael & Bob Watson's building & coattails.

So in the last 18 Years he has 1 World Series & that was the year he spent 500 Million on Free Agents!

With the money the Yanks spent the since 2001 to have 1 World Series win
( Red Sox 4 Giants 3 Cardinals 2 Marlins 1 hmmmmmmmmmmmmm) is a joke.

He Fired Joe Girardi who got to the 7th game of the ALCS & the next year didnt even MAKE the ALCS! That should have been the final nail in his coffin!

No I am not "One of those Yankee fans". I just dont see how this guy kept his job all these years.

Wow. I'll play.

So who do you want instead of Cash?

Find that guy, make sure he's available, then go compare resumes.


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[Scottish Punk]

Surprised for sure. I get the Sox didn't meet expectations this year. The team is still going to have 90 wins on a world series hangover year. Also, yes his bullpens has always been his achilles heal. Still, he is one hell of a GM. He will be fine. He is either going to retire or go somewhere and take his fourth team to a world series.

Hopefully this means JD, and Porcello are leaving. They got their rings and now I can go back to rooting against the Sox. Mookie will be the interesting one.

[DaRitz]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

So is Cora safe. Talk about thanks for nothing Dombrowski didn’t even last the full season after winning a World Series.

Cora is safe for the rest of this year. But once a new GM is hired, I doubt anyone is safe.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by DaRitz

Cora is safe for the rest of this year. But once a new GM is hired, I doubt anyone is safe.

usually a new GM wants to get his own guy in. Cora has a World Series title under his belt, he will easily find another spot.

[Supersuper]

i am wondering when will sox release shitty Porcello......

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Surprised for sure. I get the Sox didn't meet expectations this year. The team is still going to have 90 wins on a world series hangover year. Also, yes his bullpens has always been his achilles heal. Still, he is one hell of a GM. He will be fine. He is either going to retire or go somewhere and take his fourth team to a world series.

Hopefully this means JD, and Porcello are leaving. They got their rings and now I can go back to rooting against the Sox. Mookie will be the interesting one.

Its crazy how you're only as good as your last season when it comes managers and gms but that's the world we live in now.

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[mainerunr]

Everyone around here saw it coming. Contract was up after this year. Pitching has been a disaster. Farm system is depleted. No real moves at the deadline (how could he, there's nothing left in the farm to trade).

And who knows, maybe Dombrowski told them he was not coming back. Maybe he planned on retiring. If he doesn't retire, he will find a team with a flush farm system that he can deplete in his quest to win a title. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't but the one constant is that there is nothing left when he is done and the team is left with too many big money contracts for guys that are getting old.

(edit - apparently there was one year left on his contract so either the local radio guys had it wrong or I misunderstood).

[SethMurphy]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Surprised for sure. I get the Sox didn't meet expectations this year. The team is still going to have 90 wins on a world series hangover year. Also, yes his bullpens has always been his achilles heal. Still, he is one hell of a GM. He will be fine. He is either going to retire or go somewhere and take his fourth team to a world series.

Hopefully this means JD, and Porcello are leaving. They got their rings and now I can go back to rooting against the Sox. Mookie will be the interesting one.

I don't think they win 90 games. They have 76 wins right now and have 19 games remaining. Their current win % is .531, which over 19 games would be only 10 wins, finishing at 86. They'd have to go 14-5 down the stretch (74%) to get to 90 wins

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by SethMurphy

I don't think they win 90 games. They have 76 wins right now and have 19 games remaining. Their current win % is .531, which over 19 games would be only 10 wins, finishing at 86. They'd have to go 14-5 down the stretch (74%) to get to 90 wins

Ok, fair enough. Still don't think it was enough of drop off that warrants a firing. The Price contract hurts. How many of the people calling for his head didn't want the pitching contracts?

When he was at the end of his run here, there were some people saying farm system is depleted, bad contracts, etc. Almost everyone of them were applauding the moves at the time and liked the "go for it" when you can thought. He does trade away farm talent, but usually "wins" most trades when looking back.

[shortking98]

The Sox figured they could use a great offense and starting pitching and skate with a middling bullpen. But the plan blew up when the starting pitching got rocked and the bullpen was overworked. Realistically, the bullpen wasn't terrible, middle of the road statistically, which is probably all they expected. But it didn't work when the high paid rotation all had bad years except 1 guy (the one guy who didn't get heavily taxed in the playoffs last year). The offense was great, the bullpen was middling, the rotation bombed. That's the super short cliff notes for this season in my book.

[NewLondonWhaler]

And the farm needs a rebuild. I think about how Drombowski left Detroit. I’m fine with Drombowski going.


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[mainerunr]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Ok, fair enough. Still don't think it was enough of drop off that warrants a firing. The Price contract hurts. How many of the people calling for his head didn't want the pitching contracts?

When he was at the end of his run here, there were some people saying farm system is depleted, bad contracts, etc. Almost everyone of them were applauding the moves at the time and liked the "go for it" when you can thought. He does trade away farm talent, but usually "wins" most trades when looking back.

When they brought him in, everyone knew the farm was going to be gone. And that is ok, he brought a World Series win. He does a good job trading prospects for what a team needs to win...but I don't think he is the guy you want once the farm has been depleted and you are saddled with the big contracts that it takes to win.

I don't think he is a bad guy or that he did a bad job while with the Red Sox, I just think it was time for a change to someone who can handle rebuilding without it being "rebuilding" and I don't think he is the right guy to do that. Of course, his replacement may not be the right person for the task either, time will tell.

As for Price, Sale, Eovaldi, the only one I probably would not have done is Eovaldi due to the lack of track record and injury history. Nobody could have predicted that Price and Sale were going to suck this badly. The Pedroia contract did not help any either (not that it is on Dombrowski).

I wish Dombrowski the best. I know if I were him and had made the kind of money that he has, I'd retire and enjoy it.

[packman80]

Shows you how demanding Sox fans are win world series last year but having an average year this year not good enough so fire the GM. Sox fans are spoiled.

[saraceno21]

Originally Posted by mainerunr

Everyone around here saw it coming. Contract was up after this year. Pitching has been a disaster. Farm system is depleted. No real moves at the deadline (how could he, there's nothing left in the farm to trade).

And who knows, maybe Dombrowski told them he was not coming back. Maybe he planned on retiring. If he doesn't retire, he will find a team with a flush farm system that he can deplete in his quest to win a title. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't but the one constant is that there is nothing left when he is done and the team is left with too many big money contracts for guys that are getting old.

(edit - apparently there was one year left on his contract so either the local radio guys had it wrong or I misunderstood).

You must be listening to sports radio too much if you think everybody around here saw it coming. Nobody saw this coming one year off a title.

[3AND4]

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Wow. I'll play.

So who do you want instead of Cash?

Find that guy, make sure he's available, then go compare resumes.


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Not necessarily who I want, more that how does he keep his job?

Dave gets fired less than a season after winning a WS in Boston yet this guy is on 1 WS in 18 years & spending Literally BILLIONS on payroll.

If I have to pick a name based on resume ( Not necessarily saying the person would fit with the Yanks ) Brian Sabean.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by 3AND4

Not necessarily who I want, more that how does he keep his job?

Dave gets fired less than a season after winning a WS in Boston yet this guy is on 1 WS in 18 years & spending Literally BILLIONS on payroll.

If I have to pick a name based on resume ( Not necessarily saying the person would fit with the Yanks ) Brian Sabean.

Yes Sabean did get them 3 World Series but explain this years debacle, he took the chance of keeping bumgarner when he should have known it was fools gold at best, they were at the easiest part of their schedule and would have done good during that stretch anyways now he will have to hope for some good offseason acquisitions or it was all a total waste.

[HeritageKing]

I wish the Phillies were this trigger happy.

[brothertona]

Really hope the Sox don't trade Betts, even as a Yankees fan he's easily one of the top 5 most exciting players in the league and these are the kinds of players you build your franchise around not move because of dumb personnel moves.

[Skeely]

Originally Posted by jrg1128

Agreed. Especially at the All Star break. He didn’t make the moves needed to put the Red Sox in contention.


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Was pissed when this first happened cause I thought he should get some more time to turn things around after past success but then thought about it and realized exactly what u just said. He didn’t do enough to put us in major contention this year even for a shot to make the playoffs and have a chance.

[Skeely]

Originally Posted by Skeely

Was pissed when this first happened cause I thought he should get some more time to turn things around after past success but then thought about it and realized exactly what u just said. He didn’t do enough to put us in major contention this year even for a shot to make the playoffs and have a chance.

Originally Posted by packman80

Shows you how demanding Sox fans are win world series last year but having an average year this year not good enough so fire the GM. Sox fans are spoiled.

I don’t think it’s a matter of expecting to win a World Series and being spoiled if we don’t. It’s more that like any other fans we expect the right moves to be made in order to put us where we have the best possibility of success. I’m all for giving guys some leeway if they have showed in the past that they know what they are doing but this offseason and trade deadline were flat out bad.

[Skeely]

Originally Posted by brothertona

Really hope the Sox don't trade Betts, even as a Yankees fan he's easily one of the top 5 most exciting players in the league and these are the kinds of players you build your franchise around not move because of dumb personnel moves.

It all depends on whether or not they think they can resign him. I don’t think there going to be willing to do a ten year deal which is what he’s going to want and is capable of getting elsewhere. I hope he stays but if you know you can’t resign him why not get the huge amount of trade value you can get while u can.

[seanbros55]

The Sale extension was an atrocity the day they signed it. Never mind how 2019 went for Sale.

That's on DD.

[doowopbruce]

I'd trade Van Wagenen for Dombrowski any day.

[callou2131]

Strange timing for sure. Trade deadline has passed. Contract over at the end of the year. No need to fire him. This was to send a message or something.

[imbluestreak23]

Will be a travesty if they don’t keep Mook