Future National Locations - Wish List - Page 2

iluvfish2 · 08-13-2018, 01:36 PM

Id like to see Detroit again. I actually figured after the success of the Superbowl here several years ago we'd stand a solid chance of seeing it.

Surprised as hot as Atlanta has been for growth and overall rankings there hasnt been any talk of one there

Florida somewhere on the coast (hey its all about a vacation, no

Boston would be cool - but I'd almost bet it gets more expensive than Chicago for hotels.

Indy, Charlotte NC, Cincinnati maybe?

Cleveland was good this year, but also had a lot of competition for hotels. Canton HOF ceremonies, Tiger playing golf, and I think there was a very large play in the area.

But I know a lot of places are ruled out if they wont or cant book 3-5 years in advance, so if they cant/wont do that, they're almost guaranteed to be ruled out before the atmosphere, food, lodging, flights, shipping factors can even be assessed.

renlow · 08-13-2018, 01:47 PM

one of the things you have to keep in mind is the people that attend these things

1) Most want to spend as little as possible on things such as lodging, quality food and showering.

2) It is true that that need at least a 500K SQF space.

3) Many of the places that have been looked at require minimum guarantees on things such as food and beverage - Again many of the people coming to show bring there own food and drinks

4) The nicer the place the more it is going to cost - For instance, they could go to McCormick Place in Chicago but i suspect it will drive the dealer prices up, will cost more to get in and the hotels are a lot more downtown then out by the airport.

tier1dc · 08-13-2018, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by iluvfish2

Id like to see Detroit again. I actually figured after the success of the Superbowl here several years ago we'd stand a solid chance of seeing it.

Surprised as hot as Atlanta has been for growth and overall rankings there hasnt been any talk of one there

Florida somewhere on the coast (hey its all about a vacation, no

Boston would be cool - but I'd almost bet it gets more expensive than Chicago for hotels.

Indy, Charlotte NC, Cincinnati maybe?

Cleveland was good this year, but also had a lot of competition for hotels. Canton HOF ceremonies, Tiger playing golf, and I think there was a very large play in the area.

But I know a lot of places are ruled out if they wont or cant book 3-5 years in advance, so if they cant/wont do that, they're almost guaranteed to be ruled out before the atmosphere, food, lodging, flights, shipping factors can even be assessed.

Detroit could work. Cobo would be great, if it's open during that time. Casinos, Tigers, food, bars, DAC.

that would be a great place.

rats60 · 08-13-2018, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeymcgee

Having set up for a couple non-hobby trade shows in Chicago many years ago, I'm surprised they'd qualify for #3

Probably why it is in Rosemont and not downtown Chicago.

tkraft24 · 08-13-2018, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by renlow

one of the things you have to keep in mind is the people that attend these things

1) Most want to spend as little as possible on things such as lodging, quality food and showering.

2) It is true that that need at least a 500K SQF space.

3) Many of the places that have been looked at require minimum guarantees on things such as food and beverage - Again many of the people coming to show bring there own food and drinks

4) The nicer the place the more it is going to cost - For instance, they could go to McCormick Place in Chicago but i suspect it will drive the dealer prices up, will cost more to get in and the hotels are a lot more downtown then out by the airport.

Yup, especially #4....a lot of people are making money off the National and the price point of the venue means everything to that end. Cleveland has a brand new convention center downtown but it’ll always be at the IX-Center because it’ll be much cheaper.

People act like the organizers can double their expenses without passing on any cost. The same people would be complaining about $40 day passes, $250 hotel rooms, etc that comes with some of the bigger destination, downtown environments.

BrooklynDodgers · 08-13-2018, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeymcgee

Having set up for a couple non-hobby trade shows in Chicago many years ago, I'm surprised they'd qualify for #3

I heard they worked some sort of deal out years ago to keep the National in Chicago. In Cleveland I know you are limited in the size of your truck or the size of the cart you use to bring stuff in and out before you are required to use union services.

monkeymcgee · 08-13-2018, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rats60

Probably why it is in Rosemont and not downtown Chicago.

True--the shows I worked were at McCormick

Lockdown32 · 08-13-2018, 04:19 PM

From what I have read cost, location and convention center requirements are a big reason why they have the National wherever they do. A lot of the places people have mentioned would be cool, but it seems like the things mentioned above would make that very difficult to do.

soggydoggy · 08-13-2018, 05:15 PM

I promise you they look at Dallas hard every year. With Panini, Beckett, and Leaf all headquartered in town it would be the perfect storm. Oh and Tristar is only 4 hours South. But I've talked to reps from most of these and the logistics is just not set up right. The airport is too far from any venue big enough to hold the show. The convention center downtown is big, but 20 miles from the airport. There is lodging around the airport, but again would be spread out all over the place. Some have mentioned Jerry World, but again everything is too spread out to make any sense.

I live here and would love to see the show come to town, but it's just not going to happen. I loved Baltimore a few years back. And honestly dreading Atlantic City.

I had fun this year in Cleveland. Looking forward to next year in Chicago. Will be my 24th straight National!

chippv · 08-13-2018, 07:49 PM

I wish they would do it in Pittsburgh. The David l Lawrence convention center is a nice venue. Unfortunately I don't think it would be large enough 300k SQ feet on 2 floors

speedyjg13 · 08-13-2018, 09:09 PM

Anaheim. It's got plenty of space and it's a destination location with Disneyland and California Adventure here. Where is it next year?

19royaldecker87 · 08-13-2018, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by speedyjg13

Anaheim. It's got plenty of space and it's a destination location with Disneyland and California Adventure here. Where is it next year?

chicago

metsandweezer · 08-13-2018, 10:39 PM

Vegas please!!!

notoriousrmb · 08-14-2018, 07:14 AM

I've seen Vegas pop up numerous times in this thread...I cringe at what it would take to drive there as there is no way I would be spending the money to ship cards/supplies/etc out there and back home.

I'll drive 10-12 hours any direction to attend, more than that and I'll skip the show. Not worth the effort it takes to get there with the necessary materials and product.

OLDPAPER · 08-14-2018, 11:05 AM

I really can't think of any negatives with Cleveland except the internet debacle. Chicago is easier for most to fly into direct, but the venue was great...weather was nice, hotels were cheap...coming from Florida, the cooler weather was a nice break.

Orlando would also have a surplus of hotel rooms, easy to fly into, but it is a miserable place to be (like Dallas) 6 months a year...especially the first week of August.

As far as I am concerned...have it in Cleveland as much as possible....the west coast/Vegas will never happen...stop even thinking about it

Boo · 08-14-2018, 11:09 AM

Vegas won't happen because guys will spend all their money on strippers and casinos and the dealers won't make anything.

mhcook · 08-14-2018, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Boo

Vegas won't happen because guys will spend all their money on strippers and casinos and the dealers won't make anything.

I think it is because the dealers will spend all their money on all these things and leave broke without inventory either.

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Art Vandelay · 08-14-2018, 05:27 PM

I’m not sure about other cities but I’m sure another consideration for Chicago/Cleveland is the proximity to the airport given that a lot of the autograph guests fly in and out just for the purpose of their appearance. It’s a lot easier to get them to the show when the airport is right there.

Moyni · 08-14-2018, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Boo

Vegas won't happen because guys will spend all their money on strippers and casinos and the dealers won't make anything.

Can you imagine some drunk card collector trying to stuff an Aaron Judge rookie into the thong of a stripper? That would be funny.

08-13-2018, 01:36 PM	#26
iluvfish2 Moderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lansing, Michigan Posts: 26,684 iluvfish2 iluvfish2	Id like to see Detroit again. I actually figured after the success of the Superbowl here several years ago we'd stand a solid chance of seeing it. Surprised as hot as Atlanta has been for growth and overall rankings there hasnt been any talk of one there Florida somewhere on the coast (hey its all about a vacation, no Boston would be cool - but I'd almost bet it gets more expensive than Chicago for hotels. Indy, Charlotte NC, Cincinnati maybe? Cleveland was good this year, but also had a lot of competition for hotels. Canton HOF ceremonies, Tiger playing golf, and I think there was a very large play in the area. But I know a lot of places are ruled out if they wont or cant book 3-5 years in advance, so if they cant/wont do that, they're almost guaranteed to be ruled out before the atmosphere, food, lodging, flights, shipping factors can even be assessed. __________________ Blowouts Resident Wade Boggs Super Collector

08-13-2018, 04:19 PM	#33
Lockdown32 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,188 natural54	From what I have read cost, location and convention center requirements are a big reason why they have the National wherever they do. A lot of the places people have mentioned would be cool, but it seems like the things mentioned above would make that very difficult to do. __________________ Want List- Brian Urlacher 2000 UD Encore Rookie Helmet Auto /25, Brian Urlacher 2009 Topps Unique Jumbo Patch /20, Brian Urlacher G/U Nameplate letters R, A, H ,R

08-13-2018, 05:15 PM	#34
soggydoggy Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: South Miami Posts: 409 crablegger	I promise you they look at Dallas hard every year. With Panini, Beckett, and Leaf all headquartered in town it would be the perfect storm. Oh and Tristar is only 4 hours South. But I've talked to reps from most of these and the logistics is just not set up right. The airport is too far from any venue big enough to hold the show. The convention center downtown is big, but 20 miles from the airport. There is lodging around the airport, but again would be spread out all over the place. Some have mentioned Jerry World, but again everything is too spread out to make any sense. I live here and would love to see the show come to town, but it's just not going to happen. I loved Baltimore a few years back. And honestly dreading Atlantic City. I had fun this year in Cleveland. Looking forward to next year in Chicago. Will be my 24th straight National! __________________ Always trading/buying/selling Medal of Honor and Doolittle Raiders autographs.

08-13-2018, 07:49 PM	#35
chippv Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 7,349	I wish they would do it in Pittsburgh. The David l Lawrence convention center is a nice venue. Unfortunately I don't think it would be large enough 300k SQ feet on 2 floors __________________ Always looking for Steelers, penguin and some pirate rookies

08-14-2018, 11:09 AM	#41
Boo Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: PA Posts: 54,351 klay22	Vegas won't happen because guys will spend all their money on strippers and casinos and the dealers won't make anything. __________________ I have found that flicking through a few threads on my smartphone is a great way to pass some time while "stocking the pond."Hairy 6/7/12 “ I feel you, brother. Welcome to East Berlin, circa 1963.” Hairy 5/9/20

08-13-2018, 01:47 PM	#27
renlow Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 876 huskyhockey0	one of the things you have to keep in mind is the people that attend these things 1) Most want to spend as little as possible on things such as lodging, quality food and showering. 2) It is true that that need at least a 500K SQF space. 3) Many of the places that have been looked at require minimum guarantees on things such as food and beverage - Again many of the people coming to show bring there own food and drinks 4) The nicer the place the more it is going to cost - For instance, they could go to McCormick Place in Chicago but i suspect it will drive the dealer prices up, will cost more to get in and the hotels are a lot more downtown then out by the airport.

08-13-2018, 09:09 PM	#36
speedyjg13 Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 17,131	Anaheim. It's got plenty of space and it's a destination location with Disneyland and California Adventure here. Where is it next year?

08-13-2018, 10:39 PM	#38
metsandweezer Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 12,946 Cascardo4	Vegas please!!!

08-14-2018, 07:14 AM	#39
notoriousrmb Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 6,773	I've seen Vegas pop up numerous times in this thread...I cringe at what it would take to drive there as there is no way I would be spending the money to ship cards/supplies/etc out there and back home. I'll drive 10-12 hours any direction to attend, more than that and I'll skip the show. Not worth the effort it takes to get there with the necessary materials and product.

08-14-2018, 11:05 AM	#40
OLDPAPER Banned Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Palm Harbor, FL Posts: 2,591 727sportscards 727cards	I really can't think of any negatives with Cleveland except the internet debacle. Chicago is easier for most to fly into direct, but the venue was great...weather was nice, hotels were cheap...coming from Florida, the cooler weather was a nice break. Orlando would also have a surplus of hotel rooms, easy to fly into, but it is a miserable place to be (like Dallas) 6 months a year...especially the first week of August. As far as I am concerned...have it in Cleveland as much as possible....the west coast/Vegas will never happen...stop even thinking about it

08-14-2018, 05:27 PM	#43
Art Vandelay Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 990	I’m not sure about other cities but I’m sure another consideration for Chicago/Cleveland is the proximity to the airport given that a lot of the autograph guests fly in and out just for the purpose of their appearance. It’s a lot easier to get them to the show when the airport is right there.