Don't be this dealer - Page 2

jr24ai3 · 08-06-2018, 12:29 PM

The funniest part of his story is his excuse for offering $70..."I just didn't want to deal with change". Even if you paid with a hundred, you'd only be adding 1 extra bill to your wallet.

jewcer2k5 · 08-06-2018, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jr24ai3

Maybe dealers overprice their cards because they know someone will always ask for a better price. If his prices were fair, which they seem to be, then I could see him being annoyed by an additional discount.

As a buyer, $5 wouldn't stop me from buying a group of cards that I wanted. He doesn't owe you any extra off. You were spending $75. It's not like you were dropping a grand.

This too.

The problem I found with pricing the cards fair or even low is that most people acted as if they deserved a discount no matter what. That makes it so dealers sometimes feel like they need to overprice just to negotiate down. Very frustrating.

mcpheely · 08-06-2018, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

This too.

The problem I found with pricing the cards fair or even low is that most people acted as if they deserved a discount no matter what. That makes it so dealers sometimes feel like they need to overprice just to negotiate down. Very frustrating.

Exactly. Then they'd be on here bitching about all the overpriced cards. There's no winning with some people.

AnthonyCorona · 08-06-2018, 12:42 PM

This thread proves a theory..... THE HOBBY IS DEAD!!!!

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scoobysnacks4u · 08-06-2018, 12:53 PM

I made 3 separate purchases from a dealer who had a sign plainly stating "no discounts" but he was very friendly and you knew before you started that the price listed was it. I don't have a problem with dealers who stick to their prices, but like the OP I would have left that table because life is too short to deal with jerks. Just like I have as a dealer passed on many sales because the person trying to buy was a jerk. To me this is all for fun and its not worth it to deal with an assclown on either side of the table.

RAV2773 · 08-06-2018, 12:56 PM

It's always going to be "his cards, his prices" but there is a right way and a wrong way to approach customers. "Customer service" is a concept that some dealers don't know the meaning of. If a customer is interested in offering on your cards and you absolutely cant budge on price, then it's very easy to just say, I'm sorry but I have no room on those because they are already priced at my lowest. Snapping at a customer that potentially is buying from you is absolutely bad business no matter how anyone wants to paint it. Do it enough times and to enough people and word starts to spread. There's definitely a few sellers on here that many potential buyers will not do business with because of their attitude when it comes to pricing or just how they approach their selling threads . They come off very arrogant and it turns away many buyers.

mike1498 · 08-06-2018, 01:01 PM

As a buyer I’d be annoyed
As a seller I wouldn’t be annoyed by the offer but it’s his cards so he can sell it for whatever he wants.
This is card dealing 101

Gmrson · 08-06-2018, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jr24ai3

Maybe dealers overprice their cards because they know someone will always ask for a better price. If his prices were fair, which they seem to be, then I could see him being annoyed by an additional discount.

As a buyer, $5 wouldn't stop me from buying a group of cards that I wanted. He doesn't owe you any extra off. You were spending $75. It's not like you were dropping a grand.

Yep, works both ways. I make offers and get offers. When selling, I either accept or just say, no I can’t do that. No matter how low or off we are it’s a negotiation for cardboard. I’m not going to be offended or let it boil so much I have to complain about it.

I entered a “heated” debate on the price of my Pop 1 Black Label Koufax Auto. It was sort of fun and a little competitive. We were both polite and smiling and on a card like this what is the “value”? How much it means to me vs. how much to him. Who by the way had an amazing hoard of Finest Greats autos.

Dealers and Collectors shell out a lot to get there and while $5 was obviously important to both of you, it can add up on both sides of the table. Get over it. Glad you were able to find other cards to buy.

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chezball · 08-06-2018, 01:05 PM

If some offered $70 on cards priced at $75, SOLD.

Boo · 08-06-2018, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by chezball

If some offered $70 on cards priced at $75, SOLD.

Would you use the money to buy some more sets?

prospects · 08-06-2018, 01:15 PM

some dealers are there to show off their cards and look cool in their muscle T shirts with the gel hair.

seriously, some of these tough guys do not even try to sell cards.

MFaulkCollector · 08-06-2018, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowman1951

This is the correct answer, thank you for your feedback.

Actually the guy further above had the correct answer. Sometimes the price is the price; you can either pay it or walk. That’s not an opinion, that’s a fact. Ideas of the greater good, bulk deals, whatever.. they are opinions on how others can make more gross cash. If people could care less the time table I’m sure in 5-10 years every card in that box would be sold at 15 or higher. Why lose even 5 dollars now if you don’t need to

mcgahee21nfl · 08-06-2018, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

Actually the guy further above had the correct answer. Sometimes the price is the price; you can either pay it or walk. That’s not an opinion, that’s a fact. Ideas of the greater good, bulk deals, whatever.. they are opinions on how others can make more gross cash. If people could care less the time table I’m sure in 5-10 years every card in that box would be sold at 15 or higher. Why lose even 5 dollars now if you don’t need to

No no, don't you get it? All deals you deserve a % off. No matter what the price is, ask for a % off. Because, the seller would be crazy to miss out on a deal. So if the price was $70.00, offer $65.00! The seller would be crazy to turn that down! And if the price was $65.00, offer $60.00! How dare he turn it down then? A seller should NEVER in a million years put the bottom price he'd take. How dare he! I, as a buyer, absolutely have the right to say exactly how much the seller should take off. If I offer him $60.00, how dare he turn the deal down over only $15.00! Thats only 20% off! Not too far from 6.33%!

Obviously all sarcasm. The entitlement scares me. It is utterly psychotic and gives me chills. All of the verbiage that screams disingenuous weirdness. "I had cash in hand" - "I didn't want to deal with change". Thanking the 1 guy in the thread that somehow agrees with him. So gross.

Bowman1951 · 08-06-2018, 03:06 PM

I'm such an entitled, psychotic Millennial from all of the psychotropic drugs I've been on since I was 3 years old who had exact cash in hand....was ready to buy quickly and got the cold shoulder. I then went to a corner of the convention center to cry in my safe space. Thankfully I was able to rally and recover to pick up the Bernie Sanders auto from the socialist dealer who was willing to negotiate and keep me happy so I didn't go whining to the media about my issue. The $5 was necessary to ensure I could pay my student loans this month.

There were also others that agreed, I didn't simply quote them, dopey.

jr24ai3 · 08-06-2018, 03:08 PM

And you told him you'd be back and didn't honor your word. I sure hope the poor dealer wasn't holding the cards for you all day when he could have sold them.

majestik101 · 08-06-2018, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chezball

If some offered $70 on cards priced at $75, SOLD.

What if you only had a $100 bill, would you want all that change back

Bowman1951 · 08-06-2018, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jr24ai3

And you told him you'd be back and didn't honor your word. I sure hope the poor dealer wasn't holding the cards for you all day when he could have sold them.

I watched them being placed back in the case, nothing was being held to the side for me.

AnthonyCorona · 08-06-2018, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chezball

If some offered $70 on cards priced at $75, SOLD.

I sold a card for 18 today I had listed for 25. If I have something for sale, I'm wanting to sell it.

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Orangejello727 · 08-06-2018, 03:50 PM

If you're going to enter into a duel of negotiating with a person, please make sure you are ready for both positive and negative outcomes. Thats what negotiating is. Its almost as if the art of it has been lost and people do not understand how to handle rejection.

You as a buyer lost out on a lot of cards over $5. You claim its only $5 as the seller counters its only $5. The real question here is mcgahee asked above. If the price were $80, would have have asked for $75. Was the concession purely based on the point of knocking off a couple of bucks or based on budget? One has a valid reason, the other is just a moot point to get a few bucks off for the sake of it.

I would the price if I was comfortable with it to save myself the headache of the search. If $5 saves me the time and gives me the convenience of getting what im looking for, Id pay it.

meelypops · 08-06-2018, 03:51 PM

I’ll have a write up soon

Check back in next 24 hrs

Did one last year as well from dealer perspective

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aric88 · 08-06-2018, 03:58 PM

Haven't seen this mentioned but also if there are no discounts and the "price is the price" let the people working your booth know so they don't waste the customers time and the booth owners time. My guess without knowing more details to this particular situation is the dealer did not realize you were only asking for $5 off. Either he thought he marked the commons at $20 each or maybe the kid told him you had 6 cards. Just a guess.

CardBoard4Life · 08-06-2018, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowman1951

I'm such an entitled, psychotic Millennial from all of the psychotropic drugs I've been on since I was 3 years old who had exact cash in hand....was ready to buy quickly and got the cold shoulder. I then went to a corner of the convention center to cry in my safe space. Thankfully I was able to rally and recover to pick up the Bernie Sanders auto from the socialist dealer who was willing to negotiate and keep me happy so I didn't go whining to the media about my issue. The $5 was necessary to ensure I could pay my student loans this month.

There were also others that agreed, I didn't simply quote them, dopey.

You sound like a mooch.

BH34 · 08-07-2018, 09:03 AM

Do we all love a good deal, and a break on pricing, especially when buying multiple cards? Of course.

But to walk away from a deal for $5 is as much on you, the Customer, as it is on the Dealer.

Stifle · 08-07-2018, 09:50 AM

Use to help a friend set up at a couple of the Chicago Sun Times shows. I forgot what the expenses added up to be, but dealers spend good money to set up, more than I ever paid to attend. My friend would have everything structured and was great at negotiating. If a buyer was attempting to undercut a card at a price that he spent for the card, he would ask what the buyer had in trade. Many times deals can be negotiated when the items that the buyer has purchased are then critiqued in value by the dealer in a trade offer. Buyers then realize that the card in their possession may have increased value.

I've never attended a National, couldn't see spending that kind of money when I could open the same box of cards without a $20? Entry fee. I enjoyed the mini nationals.

08-06-2018, 12:42 PM	#29
AnthonyCorona Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 11,351 bwoodcollector	This thread proves a theory..... THE HOBBY IS DEAD!!!! Sent from my LG-TP450 using Tapatalk __________________ Julio better

08-06-2018, 01:01 PM	#32
mike1498 Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Baltimore Posts: 7,443 college_beer_money	As a buyer I’d be annoyed As a seller I wouldn’t be annoyed by the offer but it’s his cards so he can sell it for whatever he wants. This is card dealing 101 __________________ Check out my cards! https://www.instagram.com/college_beer_money/

08-06-2018, 03:06 PM	#39
Bowman1951 Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Boston 'Burbs Posts: 4,714 djblitz Bowman1951	I'm such an entitled, psychotic Millennial from all of the psychotropic drugs I've been on since I was 3 years old who had exact cash in hand....was ready to buy quickly and got the cold shoulder. I then went to a corner of the convention center to cry in my safe space. Thankfully I was able to rally and recover to pick up the Bernie Sanders auto from the socialist dealer who was willing to negotiate and keep me happy so I didn't go whining to the media about my issue. The $5 was necessary to ensure I could pay my student loans this month. There were also others that agreed, I didn't simply quote them, dopey. Last edited by Bowman1951; 08-06-2018 at 03:12 PM.

08-06-2018, 03:51 PM	#45
meelypops Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Florida Posts: 2,189 meelypops meelypops	I’ll have a write up soon Check back in next 24 hrs Did one last year as well from dealer perspective Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ FL local Card Shop Owner 6/2018 SC local Card Shop Owner 2/2024 Instagram: @shopmeelypops TikTok: @meelypops

08-07-2018, 09:03 AM	#48
BH34 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 1,290	Do we all love a good deal, and a break on pricing, especially when buying multiple cards? Of course. But to walk away from a deal for $5 is as much on you, the Customer, as it is on the Dealer. __________________ Let's Go Mets Go

08-06-2018, 12:29 PM	#26
jr24ai3 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,740	The funniest part of his story is his excuse for offering $70..."I just didn't want to deal with change". Even if you paid with a hundred, you'd only be adding 1 extra bill to your wallet.

08-06-2018, 12:53 PM	#30
scoobysnacks4u Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Gallipolis, OH Posts: 564 scoobysnacksforyou scoobysnacks4u	I made 3 separate purchases from a dealer who had a sign plainly stating "no discounts" but he was very friendly and you knew before you started that the price listed was it. I don't have a problem with dealers who stick to their prices, but like the OP I would have left that table because life is too short to deal with jerks. Just like I have as a dealer passed on many sales because the person trying to buy was a jerk. To me this is all for fun and its not worth it to deal with an assclown on either side of the table.

08-06-2018, 12:56 PM	#31
RAV2773 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: NJ Posts: 4,837 baseballking973	It's always going to be "his cards, his prices" but there is a right way and a wrong way to approach customers. "Customer service" is a concept that some dealers don't know the meaning of. If a customer is interested in offering on your cards and you absolutely cant budge on price, then it's very easy to just say, I'm sorry but I have no room on those because they are already priced at my lowest. Snapping at a customer that potentially is buying from you is absolutely bad business no matter how anyone wants to paint it. Do it enough times and to enough people and word starts to spread. There's definitely a few sellers on here that many potential buyers will not do business with because of their attitude when it comes to pricing or just how they approach their selling threads . They come off very arrogant and it turns away many buyers.

08-06-2018, 01:05 PM	#34
chezball Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: North East Beatoff USA Posts: 21,672 jabber	If some offered $70 on cards priced at $75, SOLD.

08-06-2018, 01:15 PM	#36
prospects Banned Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 4,059	some dealers are there to show off their cards and look cool in their muscle T shirts with the gel hair. seriously, some of these tough guys do not even try to sell cards.

08-06-2018, 03:08 PM	#40
jr24ai3 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,740	And you told him you'd be back and didn't honor your word. I sure hope the poor dealer wasn't holding the cards for you all day when he could have sold them.

08-06-2018, 03:50 PM	#44
Orangejello727 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 19,071	If you're going to enter into a duel of negotiating with a person, please make sure you are ready for both positive and negative outcomes. Thats what negotiating is. Its almost as if the art of it has been lost and people do not understand how to handle rejection. You as a buyer lost out on a lot of cards over $5. You claim its only $5 as the seller counters its only $5. The real question here is mcgahee asked above. If the price were $80, would have have asked for $75. Was the concession purely based on the point of knocking off a couple of bucks or based on budget? One has a valid reason, the other is just a moot point to get a few bucks off for the sake of it. I would the price if I was comfortable with it to save myself the headache of the search. If $5 saves me the time and gives me the convenience of getting what im looking for, Id pay it.

08-06-2018, 03:58 PM	#46
aric88 Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 161 aric88	Haven't seen this mentioned but also if there are no discounts and the "price is the price" let the people working your booth know so they don't waste the customers time and the booth owners time. My guess without knowing more details to this particular situation is the dealer did not realize you were only asking for $5 off. Either he thought he marked the commons at $20 each or maybe the kid told him you had 6 cards. Just a guess.

08-07-2018, 09:50 AM	#49
Stifle Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: I've met great collectors throughout MI and N. Indiana / CHI. Posts: 9,308 Stifle	Use to help a friend set up at a couple of the Chicago Sun Times shows. I forgot what the expenses added up to be, but dealers spend good money to set up, more than I ever paid to attend. My friend would have everything structured and was great at negotiating. If a buyer was attempting to undercut a card at a price that he spent for the card, he would ask what the buyer had in trade. Many times deals can be negotiated when the items that the buyer has purchased are then critiqued in value by the dealer in a trade offer. Buyers then realize that the card in their possession may have increased value. I've never attended a National, couldn't see spending that kind of money when I could open the same box of cards without a $20? Entry fee. I enjoyed the mini nationals.