Panini Got Shawn Kemp

[k13]

Originally Posted by Andy5

Could you imagine Timmy's Auto on a sticker? No thank you.

Eventually they will be on card in higher end sets.

In time you'll get everyone's auto for $20.

[hwc]

Originally Posted by Andy5

Could you imagine Timmy's Auto on a sticker? No thank you.

Tim Duncan already has sticker autos...so that's nothing new

[hwc]

Originally Posted by k13

Eventually they will be on card in higher end sets.

In time you'll get everyone's auto for $20.

As a collector, I welcome this. Obviously it would be different for a seller but as a buyer and collector, I am thrilled with it.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by hwc

As a collector, I welcome this. Obviously it would be different for a seller but as a buyer and collector, I am thrilled with it.

Finally!!! You're the first person to see the upside from a collecting standpoint. Based on this thread alone, you are in the minority. Minority of being someone that collects player autos as a main goal and not making profit and worrying about your hobby being an investment.

This is just a testament to how card collecting is 101% about $$$ and -1% about collecting.

[nera20]

would love duncan to start signing for panini and actually have a decent looking auto card most of his arent that nice looking, I hope he signs and signs alot

[thenwhatjk]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Wait I don't get this, you're Mr. pure collector guy, shouldn't you be super psyched there's new kemp stuff coming out?

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

Wait I don't get this, you're Mr. pure collector guy, shouldn't you be super psyched there's new kemp stuff coming out?

Stickers + high upfront costs for non-sticker cards = no thanks

I'm not going to pay 200-300+ for on card auto singles just because they're on card in Immaculate / Flawless price range products.

A good chunk of the high end Panini stuff that I would love to own is cost prohibitive, I.E. those shoe cards from Immaculate.

So it's basically because there is a good chance they will release really nice cards, with on card autos that I won't be able to get.

I'd love to get an autographed card with a patch since he doesn't really have anything like that, not having been in Exquisite. I don't see it happening for me though, because $$$$$$$$$$$$

[Duncancollector]

yeah, produce 10.000 autos of each player each year. So you pay 200 bucks for a box and you get back 10 dollar. nice way. That doesn't make any sense at all.
Whatever costs 10 bucks in this hobby, is "crap" if you talk about autos. If duncan autos would cost 20 bucks on ebay, how much would a t. chandler or a penny hardaway cost? do I get any money back if I "buy" one of these cards?

There must be a difference between star, good, avarage and bench players. I agree that duncans autos are very very expensive and I couldn't buy any for about 2 or 3 years. but that is ok. Sometimes you have to save money to buy something good. But it holds its value.
Mass production is the death of the hobby.

[XARZY]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Stickers + high upfront costs for non-sticker cards = no thanks

I'm not going to pay 200-300+ for on card auto singles just because they're on card in Immaculate / Flawless price range products.

A good chunk of the high end Panini stuff that I would love to own is cost prohibitive, I.E. those shoe cards from Immaculate.

So it's basically because there is a good chance they will release really nice cards, with on card autos that I won't be able to get.

I'd love to get an autographed card with a patch since he doesn't really have anything like that, not having been in Exquisite. I don't see it happening for me though, because $$$$$$$$$$$$

Expect a transitions Auto card for kemp in every uniform he wore quite possibly including college. Atleast 2 more Auto Subsets. Initial resale value will be $300 with gradual drop to $120 for On card only. Then with Kemp being on the set prior to Immaculate and NT expect at the minimum 6-8 more subsets with similar results. I used Flawless because of the timing last year for Ewing but with kemp being early on, Id expect a full seasons worth of releases.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Stickers + high upfront costs for non-sticker cards = no thanks

I'm not going to pay 200-300+ for on card auto singles just because they're on card in Immaculate / Flawless price range products.

A good chunk of the high end Panini stuff that I would love to own is cost prohibitive, I.E. those shoe cards from Immaculate.

So it's basically because there is a good chance they will release really nice cards, with on card autos that I won't be able to get.

I'd love to get an autographed card with a patch since he doesn't really have anything like that, not having been in Exquisite. I don't see it happening for me though, because $$$$$$$$$$$$

I think you are being a bit pessimistic. Initial prices will be high but after the first offseason, I can see some Flawless or Immaculate autos dropping below 100 or some patch autos around 200. You just might have to wait a little bit for it.

[k13]

Originally Posted by hwc

As a collector, I welcome this. Obviously it would be different for a seller but as a buyer and collector, I am thrilled with it.

Yeah but once everyone has one you don't really want it anymore that much.
The lure of a collector is also having stuff that others don't have or can't get easily.

There's a reason no one collects 90's junk wax.
The only reason pmg's and all those other junk is wanted is because it's rare and easily manipulated.

So yeah it be fun to have Jordan auto's for $20 but then I would not want them anymore.

No one would give a crap about 52 mantle if it was $20.

[dasiegel]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Would love to see a Russ, Harden, and Big O on-card triple. That'd be a helluva pull.

that would be so sick
perfect for immac acetate.


incidentally, it would be interesting to see if they have NT before Immac again this year or if they go back to status quo.

[hwc]

Originally Posted by k13

Yeah but once everyone has one you don't really want it anymore that much.
The lure of a collector is also having stuff that others don't have or can't get easily.

There's a reason no one collects 90's junk wax.
The only reason pmg's and all those other junk is wanted is because it's rare and easily manipulated.

So yeah it be fun to have Jordan auto's for $20 but then I would not want them anymore.

No one would give a crap about 52 mantle if it was $20.

You do realize that there is more than one reason to collect cards right? My collection doesn't depend on how many autos there are of that particular player. As long as I can have one, I am content.

While you may be collecting to have things that other people can't have or very few people can have, that is your way of collecting but it certainly isn't my way of collecting or others.

If the reason why you don't want Jordan autos anymore is because they only go for $20 then it may be time to re-evaluate why you are collecting in the first place. Are you collecting because you are a fan of Jordan? Or because you are a fan of basketball? Or because you are a fan of the team? Or are you only collecting to show off to other people how cool or important you are because you're able to spend lots of money on pieces of cardboard with a scribble on it?

Plus there are always floors to how low autos can go anyways, especially for superstar players. It seems like most superstar players floor is usually around or close to $100 no matter how many of them there are. I would love to have a Jordan auto be $20 but you and I know that is never going to happen.

[hwc]

Originally Posted by Duncancollector

yeah, produce 10.000 autos of each player each year. So you pay 200 bucks for a box and you get back 10 dollar. nice way. That doesn't make any sense at all.
Whatever costs 10 bucks in this hobby, is "crap" if you talk about autos. If duncan autos would cost 20 bucks on ebay, how much would a t. chandler or a penny hardaway cost? do I get any money back if I "buy" one of these cards?

There must be a difference between star, good, avarage and bench players. I agree that duncans autos are very very expensive and I couldn't buy any for about 2 or 3 years. but that is ok. Sometimes you have to save money to buy something good. But it holds its value.
Mass production is the death of the hobby.

So this argument really doesn't hold true that much when it comes to superstar players. Tim Duncan is and will always be highly sought after because he has some rabid fans that will always buy his stuff. There will always be a floor with how low card prices of these types of players. Kobe's autos usually go for about $100. KD's hovers between 80-120 depending on the card. So there will always be a separation between auto prices between the regular players/star players and the superstar/transcendent players.

[drobfan8]

Wow, I always love to see what the negative Nancy's have to say.

Kemp on cards, Duncan on cards would be a great thing. A lot of collectors don't have a remote shot of bumping in to these guys in the street and getting an Auto. Plus some don't want to bother these guys in their private lives.

The pessimists in this Hobby aren't happy unless they're unhappy about something.

[bjho852]

Originally Posted by Duncancollector

+1. I agree


But on the other hand, if there are still old autos, I just want to get these from topps, skybox and Upper deck. I will never interested in duncans panini autos, if there are some.

Tim Duncan never signed for Upper Deck back then - he signed on for the 1998-99 SkyBox Autographics set, then became a Topps exclusive the next season.

[jj2]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Wow, I always love to see what the negative Nancy's have to say.

Kemp on cards, Duncan on cards would be a great thing. A lot of collectors don't have a remote shot of bumping in to these guys in the street and getting an Auto. Plus some don't want to bother these guys in their private lives.

The pessimists in this Hobby aren't happy unless they're unhappy about something.

We're not happy when we get the same autograph checklist every time and then we're not happy when there's a new signer. Is there a harder group of people to please?

[CubKings]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

I was waiting to see your response. And pretty much what I expected. Haha just with less words of displeasure.

[M4YH3M1]

Yep, I saw it the day the GS checklist dropped.

You can already tell that Panini made him sign thousands of sticker autos already, just look how rushed and off sticker some of them are.

He has a great auto when given space.

All the sticker stuff will drop in value to about $30 a hit.

But value will hold longer in NT, Immac Flawless etc where he will have some great examples as he will have plenty of on-card space to scribble.

Looking forward to seeing some on card patch autos

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by XARZY

Expect a transitions Auto card for kemp in every uniform he wore quite possibly including college. Atleast 2 more Auto Subsets. Initial resale value will be $300 with gradual drop to $120 for On card only. Then with Kemp being on the set prior to Immaculate and NT expect at the minimum 6-8 more subsets with similar results. I used Flawless because of the timing last year for Ewing but with kemp being early on, Id expect a full seasons worth of releases.

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

I think you are being a bit pessimistic. Initial prices will be high but after the first offseason, I can see some Flawless or Immaculate autos dropping below 100 or some patch autos around 200. You just might have to wait a little bit for it.

See that's what I'm worried about, ALL the different variants and then the parallels of variants. I AM excited about the possibility getting a patch/auto card, just to have one in the collection. However, the waiting game can prove to be an issue too, because sometimes the cards never show up again. I think this will happen with the patch/auto stuff, just like it happened with the nicer Sneek Peak cards. At the end of the day it's just a piece of cardboard, but what sucks is that it's very likely his only on card autos will be in high end products ONLY. I hope you guys are right though and that the prices do dip below 100, or dip down close to 100.

Originally Posted by CubKings

I was waiting to see your response. And pretty much what I expected. Haha just with less words of displeasure.

As soon as I read the thread, that gif came to mind right away.

Originally Posted by M4YH3M1

Yep, I saw it the day the GS checklist dropped.

You can already tell that Panini made him sign thousands of sticker autos already, just look how rushed and off sticker some of them are.

He has a great auto when given space.

All the sticker stuff will drop in value to about $30 a hit.

But value will hold longer in NT, Immac Flawless etc where he will have some great examples as he will have plenty of on-card space to scribble.

Looking forward to seeing some on card patch autos

I saw a couple of those disgusting stickers on eBay, that would have been a GREAT card if it was not a sticker. I don't think I'll ever have a sticker in my collection.

[joan1173]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Stickers + high upfront costs for non-sticker cards = no thanks

I'm not going to pay 200-300+ for on card auto singles just because they're on card in Immaculate / Flawless price range products.

A good chunk of the high end Panini stuff that I would love to own is cost prohibitive, I.E. those shoe cards from Immaculate.

So it's basically because there is a good chance they will release really nice cards, with on card autos that I won't be able to get.

I'd love to get an autographed card with a patch since he doesn't really have anything like that, not having been in Exquisite. I don't see it happening for me though, because $$$$$$$$$$$$

You collect a popular 90's all star who doesn't sign much.... Were you expecting his higher end patch autos to be cheap or something? Looks like another thing for you to just negatively criticize on the boards again. What's new?

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by joan1173

You collect a popular 90's all star who doesn't sign much.... Were you expecting his higher end patch autos to be cheap or something? Looks like another thing for you to just negatively criticize on the boards again. What's new?

You're still upset about a difference in opinion over the dunk contest a year ago and since then you've been following me from thread to thread looking for any and every opportunity to take a jab at me. What's new?

I pay for cards myself, my dad doesn't buy cards for me. So a plethora of expensive cards are not exactly something I'm head over heels for. Not something you can relate to.

You completely disregarded my other posts in here, which were an expression of perspective, rather than criticism, in a pathetic attempt to squeeze one in.

Gordon is still a better dunker than Lavine. What's new?

Put me on your ignore list until you grow up.

Have a nice day, princess.

[joan1173]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

You're still upset about a difference in opinion over the dunk contest a year ago and since then you've been following me from thread to thread looking for any and every opportunity to take a jab at me. What's new?

I pay for cards myself, my dad doesn't buy cards for me. So a plethora of expensive cards are not exactly something I'm head over heels for. Not something you can relate to.

You completely disregarded my other posts in here, which were an expression of perspective, rather than criticism, in a pathetic attempt to squeeze one in.

Gordon is still a better dunker than Lavine. What's new?

Put me on your ignore list until you grow up.

Have a nice day, princess.

Not upset one bit! I just see your negativity over the boards constantly and sometimes it is hard to resist pointing out the obvious to you.

You are complaining because your favorite player is going to be having more cards produced....

I pay for cards myself. So i must be missing your point completely. It is something I can relate to.

Lavine is still a better dunker and player than Gordon. 2 Dunk Contests to 0 doesn't even seem like a comparison. What's new?

You will remain off of my ignore list as I enjoy going back and forth with you.

And at the end of the day, if I sell one of my cards, I get the money. Maybe I could buy you some if you are that short on cash big guy

Have a nice day Gabra

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by joan1173

Not upset one bit! I just see your negativity over the boards constantly and sometimes it is hard to resist pointing out the obvious to you.

I pay for cards myself. So i must be missing your point completely. It is something I can relate to.

Lavine is still a better dunker. What's new?

You will remain off of my ignore list as I enjoy going back and forth with you.

And at the end of the day, if I sell one of my cards, I get the money. Maybe I could buy you some if you are that short on cash big guy

Well, first off you're in the minority reacting to my posts like that, but when you are really thin skinned, a simple difference of opinion, or a different perspective can be seen as negativity.

I'm sure you buy your own cards. I also own a gold Bugatti Veyron. If it were something you could relate to then the sensible reaction would be to discuss a common ground, but you opted to be negative. There's an irony.

And at the end of the day, if I sell one of my cards, I get the money. Maybe I could buy you some if you are that short on cash big guy

You selling one of your cards and getting the money for it is irrelevant. You trying to make an argument for buying cards with your own allowance? Are you just trying to state the obvious? What else would you be getting for your cards if you sold them instead of money? Bubble gum? Don't bother answering, those are rhetorical questions. As for buying me cards, I'm totally fine with that, ask your dad if it's cool, or come up with the money some other way and buy them for me.

[joan1173]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Well, first off you're in the minority reacting to my posts like that, but when you are really thin skinned, a simple difference of opinion, or a different perspective can be seen as negativity.

I'm sure you buy your own cards. I also own a gold Bugatti Veyron. If it were something you could relate to then the sensible reaction would be to discuss a common ground, but you opted to be negative. There's an irony.

I can't buy every Zach Lavine card I want. But I don't whine and complain about it publicly.

You selling one of your cards and getting the money for it is irrelevant. You trying to make an argument for buying cards with your own allowance? Are you just trying to state the obvious? What else would you be getting for your cards if you sold them instead of money? Bubble gum? Don't bother answering, those are rhetorical questions. As for buying me cards, I'm totally fine with that, ask your dad if it's cool, or come up with the money some other way and buy them for me.

Although I would rather not choose to support someone like you with my hard earned money.. In case you didn't know, 20 year olds tend to not live with their parents. You are an exception though, down in the basement of your mothers.