Which do you prefer? PSA or BGS?

[Exquisite074]

Even simpler - PSA for iconic cards that will still be relevant 50 years from now - BGS for all the other cards we will forget existed... Yeah, that tends to be "vintage" - but look at all the other important modern sets - PSA outsells BGS 9 out of 10 times... My Iverson Chrome Refractor in PSA 10 was way more than BGS 9.5. People got tired of the Steph Curry madness - but his 09/10 Exquisite /225 in BGS 9.5 was selling for $4k while PSA 10's were $7k. They are both good, and neither is perfect, but PSA just does more right than wrong for me.
I hated the idea of Beckett grading cards initially as it was definitely a conflict of interest - since they reported card prices it was very convenient for them to inflate how much their graded cards sold for... But, ALL of their prices were so wrong and laughable that their price guide was really just a "checklist" with some hobby news, so it wasn't really an issue. My main issue now is still how inconsistent their grades are and how poorly they have executed subgrades - great concept - just done so horribly wrong... Everything else is a wash for me - the new Exquisite PSA holders are the best, their first try were the worst... BGS holders seem to "protect more" - but I rarely use my cards as a bat or Frisbee so it's overkill and has become a storage nightmare... Either way you can't lose though, as at least with a graded card you have a better idea of around what condition the card is in and takes subjectivity out of internet transactions...

[azdbacks1998]

Okay....so far overwhelmingly BGS is on top.......so why is the premium PSA over BGS???

I dont get it, but good for us BGS fans, right?

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by azdbacks1998

Okay....so far overwhelmingly BGS is on top.......so why is the premium PSA over BGS???

I dont get it, but good for us BGS fans, right?

I believe the biggest reason high-end collectors choose PSA over BGS is because of their difference in GEM MINT status. In order to qualify for GEM MINT status through BGS, you can have MINT corners or centering and it will still be graded as GEM MINT as long as edges, surface, and either corners or centering is GEM MINT. PSA, however, is typically more strict in their grading.

Example: 1993 SP Foil Derek Jeter

Since their are only 17 GEM MINT 10's, I'll focus on the MINT 9's. You could have a BGS 9 Jeter with subs of (8.5, 9.5, 9.5, 8.5) and it would grade MINT. Or, to be more fair (8.5, 9.0, 9.0, 9.5). But if the corner grade or the centering grade is the 8.5 it has virtually no shot at a PSA 9.

Arguing about GEM MINT 10's vs. Pristine 10's makes no sense. PSA doesn't claim any card they grade is "pristine." Looking at the company's standards for a common assessment (GEM MINT) is the only fair comparison. And there, a BGS GEM MINT 9.5 doesn't make it a PSA GEM MINT 10 unless those subgrades are all 9.5 or above.

[Jay9Suited]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

I believe the biggest reason high-end collectors choose PSA over BGS is because of their difference in GEM MINT status. In order to qualify for GEM MINT status through BGS, you can have MINT corners or centering and it will still be graded as GEM MINT as long as edges, surface, and either corners or centering is GEM MINT. PSA, however, is typically more strict in their grading.

Example: 1993 SP Foil Derek Jeter

Since their are only 17 GEM MINT 10's, I'll focus on the MINT 9's. You could have a BGS 9 Jeter with subs of (8.5, 9.5, 9.5, 8.5) and it would grade MINT. Or, to be more fair (8.5, 9.0, 9.0, 9.5). But if the corner grade or the centering grade is the 8.5 it has virtually no shot at a PSA 9.

Arguing about GEM MINT 10's vs. Pristine 10's makes no sense. PSA doesn't claim any card they grade is "pristine." Looking at the company's standards for a common assessment (GEM MINT) is the only fair comparison. And there, a BGS GEM MINT 9.5 doesn't make it a PSA GEM MINT 10 unless those subgrades are all 9.5 or above.

So many ppl see 10 and ignore the designation.

[WE_GOT_THAT_TOO]

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[Jay9Suited]

Originally Posted by WE_GOT_THAT_TOO

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http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/f...over-help.html

[WE_GOT_THAT_TOO]

There are always one offs

Originally Posted by Jay9Suited

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/f...over-help.html

[imbluestreak23]

PSA because they sale for more

[WE_GOT_THAT_TOO]

A 10 vs 10? Or a 10 vs 9.5? Cuz clearly those are two different grades.

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

PSA because they sale for more

[Jay9Suited]

Originally Posted by WE_GOT_THAT_TOO

There are always one offs

There is a laughable difference between BGS/PSA 8 Michael Jordan Fleer rookies.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by WE_GOT_THAT_TOO

A 10 vs 10? Or a 10 vs 9.5? Cuz clearly those are two different grades.

PSA 10 is not the same as a BGS 10.

The question of the this thread is: Which do you prefer, PSA or BGS and why?

My answer is PSA because they sale for more --> inferring that equivalent grades of a PSA card sell for more than it's BGS counterpart.

[WE_GOT_THAT_TOO]

Just checked ... Both running around $2K completed items.

On a separate note...if you look at my response on page one, pre 2000 I prefer PSA and post 2000 I prefer BGS. It's a preference thing but I don't understand how people assume PSA grades tougher...but to each their own.

Originally Posted by Jay9Suited

There is a laughable difference between BGS/PSA 8 Michael Jordan Fleer rookies.

[WE_GOT_THAT_TOO]

Jordan BGS

[Jay9Suited]

Originally Posted by WE_GOT_THAT_TOO

Just checked ... Both running around $2K completed items.

On a separate note...if you look at my response on page one, pre 2000 I prefer PSA and post 2000 I prefer BGS. It's a preference thing but I don't understand how people assume PSA grades tougher...but to each their own.

[WE_GOT_THAT_TOO]

One more MJ

[WE_GOT_THAT_TOO]

Recognize the old Label vs new label and the fact times have changed over the past 30 years

Originally Posted by Jay9Suited

[WE_GOT_THAT_TOO]

Taking two extremes to prove a point just makes it that much more laughable IMO.

[Jay9Suited]

Originally Posted by WE_GOT_THAT_TOO

Taking two extremes to prove a point just makes it that much more laughable IMO.

I don't know about that. Both of these cards were recently graded and each received the same grade. Obviously the PSA 8 blows the BGS 8 out of the water. I have owned multiples BGS/PSA 8's and my consensus is PSA>BGS in terms of strict grading.

[Jay9Suited]

[WE_GOT_THAT_TOO]

Again to each their own. And as I mentioned twice, older cards I prefer PSA. Newer cards...BGS. Plus I love the attribute breakdown.

I also have PSA 10 cards that look worse than my BGS 9.5.

The idea of going back and forth is completely useless because when it comes to this conversation, people are already insistent on what they prefer and you, me or anyone else can tell them something to change their mind. It's just a preference and that's where I'm going to leave it.

Originally Posted by Jay9Suited

I don't know about that. Both of these cards were recently graded and each received the same grade. Obviously the PSA 8 blows the BGS 8 out of the water. I have owned multiples BGS/PSA 8's and my consensus is PSA>BGS in terms of strict grading.

[SanAntonioSpurs]

The arguing in this thread is whats really laughable. Everyone has a preference, I have some BGS and some PSA. PSA has nicer cases but are easier to tamper with. I like BGS because they break down how they arrived at the grade by showing the sub-grades.

This was a thread on preference, but you have the usual ding dongs trying to prove why they're right and everyone's wrong... who cares?

[Soleternity]

Before the PSA folks get too carried away. PSA has given the same card an 8 and a 10. Never heard of BGS having a card jump from an 8 to a 10.

https://youtu.be/PfiTNHHm2rg (go to 5:48 to see card that went from PSA 8 to PSA 10. Other cards made smaller jumps, too, such as from PSA 7 to PSA 8.)

[Jay9Suited]

Originally Posted by Soleternity

Before the PSA folks get too carried away. PSA has given the same card an 8 and a 10. Never heard of BGS having a card jump from an 8 to a 10.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=1Oa9nCcEYbI (go to 5:48 to see card that went from PSA 8 to PSA 10. Other cards made smaller jumps, too, such as from PSA 7 to PSA 8.)

Here is a recent example of BGS doing the same thing:

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...wns-cards.html

[Soleternity]

Originally Posted by Jay9Suited

Here is a recent example of BGS doing the same thing:

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...wns-cards.html

I took a quick look at the thread, said a BGS 9 became a BGS 10, and a BGS 9 became a BGS 9.5.

There's a big difference between going from a PSA 8 to a PSA 10, and a PSA 9 to a PSA 10. Same for BGS. My point wasn't that the grading co's issue different grades for the same card, it was the magnitude of the discrepancy.

[tommywillsburg]

psa has always been a step lower

bgs 8 = psa 9 in most cases

bgs 10 = psa 11