✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[nsxsupra]

Originally Posted by k13

Players are still on steroids....

Likely true, MLB should test players.

But much more difficult now to stay under the radar. Not too hard to tell if a player is on steroids. Packing on muscle naturally is not that hard just depending on player frame size and how hard they willing to work hard for it or easier short cut.

Look at physics of natural player vs ones on Steroids. It is possible to play high level of baseball without it. Some just go for that extra edge. People will always doubt, discount, and question Jose Canseco, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds era.

[seanrs1]

Since Ohtani has been in a funk the past week this board is getting less active. Anyone care to share what they have been buying lately? I just picked up a 2018 complete set relic, and a 2018 bowman sterling for the PC (and also picked up another 2018 Topps new era).
Anyone also care to share what Ohtani RC they think are very under valued? In my opinion both the #700 and US1 rainbow foils appear to sell for less relatively to other players (such as Tatis, Acuna, Soto). Also if you compare other players rainbow foils price ratio to Chrome refractors it also appears much lower. Not sure if anyone else noticed this.

[SGC300ier]

Topps Chrome Update Pinks should be at least $1,000 raw.

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[BBases31]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Since Ohtani has been in a funk the past week this board is getting less active. Anyone care to share what they have been buying lately? I just picked up a 2018 complete set relic, and a 2018 bowman sterling for the PC (and also picked up another 2018 Topps new era).

Not buying anything until the offseason with the exception of super rare cards that I'm not sure will appear then.

Anyone also care to share what Ohtani RC they think are very under valued?

Sapphire, S2/Update(not RD) parallels

In my opinion both the #700 and US1 rainbow foils appear to sell for less relatively to other players (such as Tatis, Acuna, Soto). Also if you compare other players rainbow foils price ratio to Chrome refractors it also appears much lower. Not sure if anyone else noticed this.

Ohtani has double the number of rainbow foils of those players you mentioned. Double supply has a sizeable impact on prices. Another factor, and this is just my guess, is that most traditional baseball collectors are still not buying into Ohtani in size. That crowd is still mostly picking Tatis/Acuna/Guerrero before Ohtani. That I think is reflected in the overall weakness of all of Ohtani's paper parallels.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by nsxsupra

Likely true, MLB should test players.

But much more difficult now to stay under the radar. Not too hard to tell if a player is on steroids. Packing on muscle naturally is not that hard just depending on player frame size and how hard they willing to work hard for it or easier short cut.

Look at physics of natural player vs ones on Steroids. It is possible to play high level of baseball without it. Some just go for that extra edge. People will always doubt, discount, and question Jose Canseco, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds era.

I have no idea why steroids are being discussed.

But.. this is very naive. It's the opposite. The players, and their regimens, are wayyyyyy ahead of the testing. By the time the league knows what to test for, the guys in the lab have already been giving their players something new.

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Not buying anything until the offseason with the exception of super rare cards that I'm not sure will appear then.



Sapphire, S2/Update(not RD) parallels



Ohtani has double the number of rainbow foils of those players you mentioned. Double supply has a sizeable impact on prices. Another factor, and this is just my guess, is that most traditional baseball collectors are still not buying into Ohtani in size. That crowd is still mostly picking Tatis/Acuna/Guerrero before Ohtani. That I think is reflected in the overall weakness of all of Ohtani's paper parallels.

What do you think Ohtani needs to do before collectors join in? Win MVP this year? Perform as a two way player the next 5 or more years and remain healthy? I am not a flipper and don't need to sell, so I am happy to hold for the long haul.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

What do you think Ohtani needs to do before collectors join in? Win MVP this year? Perform as a two way player the next 5 or more years and remain healthy? I am not a flipper and don't need to sell, so I am happy to hold for the long haul.

Whenever he's no longer perceived as "risky". I think another half season performing at a top level will do it but maybe it takes until 2023. Ohtani is doing something never really done before so people just automatically think he's less likely to keep doing it as opposed to say Guerrero keep hitting at the same level. It makes no rational sense but most collectors aren't rational and don't really understand how to judge what performance is sustainable and what isn't

[Akphillips86]

With world class genetics (which these guys have) and world class strength coaches (which these guys have), most baseball players don’t need anything beyond a solid diet (and they have world class nutritionists at their disposal), creatine and protein to attain their current physique.

As I’ve said before, the players that are most likely to use are the players entering their mid thirties that are trying to extend their prime. I’m not naive enough to think it doesn’t exist, but the prevalence with which it likely occurs is way overblown by some on here.


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[Giancarlo27]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

With world class genetics (which these guys have) and world class strength coaches (which these guys have), most baseball players don’t need anything beyond a solid diet (and they have world class nutritionists at their disposal), creatine and protein to attain their current physique.

As I’ve said before, the players that are most likely to use are the players entering their mid thirties that are trying to extend their prime. I’m not naive enough to think it doesn’t exist, but the prevalence with which it likely occurs is way overblown by some on here.


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Case in point, if you believe 41 year old Nelson Cruz (who has already been popped for roids once before) hasn't been juicing for the last six years, then I have a bridge to sell you

[NYRE2PECT]

3D Sho-Tani!




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[moosetequila]

Originally Posted by NYRE2PECT

3D Sho-Tani!




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3Delightful

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[al3xmac10]

2018 rookie year rookie cup?

[zbaseball21]

A nice double down the line for Shohei Ohtani! Lets hope it's a slump buster.

[hammertime]

Maybe it's just confirmation bias but it feels like he leads off A LOT of innings.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

With world class genetics (which these guys have) and world class strength coaches (which these guys have), most baseball players don’t need anything beyond a solid diet (and they have world class nutritionists at their disposal), creatine and protein to attain their current physique.

As I’ve said before, the players that are most likely to use are the players entering their mid thirties that are trying to extend their prime. I’m not naive enough to think it doesn’t exist, but the prevalence with which it likely occurs is way overblown by some on here.


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World class genetics?? That must mean their parents are also world class athletes right?


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[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

World class genetics?? That must mean their parents are also world class athletes right?


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Not necessarily. Just means they happened to hit the lottery with certain favorable genetic attributes from somewhere down the line. It’s not as simple as just mom + dad equals exact mixture of genetic attributes. Anecdotally, I had pretty favorable genetics for athletics and my mom (love her to death) may be the least athletic person I’ve ever encountered with no underlying health issues.

Way more athletic ability comes from genetics than people want to admit. Baseball has some guys that have done a lot without necessarily winning the genetic lottery but you still have to have a baseline level of strength, hand eye coordination, and the ability to recruit motor units rapidly to create power. These attributes can be enhanced through training, but some guys just don’t have it and never will.


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[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by hammertime

Maybe it's just confirmation bias but it feels like he leads off A LOT of innings.

I felt the same way earlier today!

Will take the 2B and R!

[NYRE2PECT]

Great hustle = shift buster!

[okumeister]

SpeedSta!

[hammertime]

Love the homers but I'm happy to see him getting hits...one more AB tonight...

[moosetequila]

Originally Posted by hammertime

Love the homers but I'm happy to see him getting hits...one more AB to ight...

At this rate another AB this inning LOL

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[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by moosetequila

At this rate another AB this inning LOL

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Hey, whatever it takes to get right !

[Trout Fan]

One main concern with Shohei is that he is pulling everything. I would like to see him using all the fields and stop pulling his head so much.

[moosetequila]

Originally Posted by Trout Fan

One main concern with Shohei is that he is pulling everything. I would like to see him using all the fields and stop pulling his head so much.

Email him your concerns

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[sakibomb523]

Good game today. Hopefully he keeps up the good pitching tomorrow!