WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV - Page 1973

Jaypers · 07-21-2025, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I want to confirm what your opinion is, because you are dancing around it.

My opinion (which I believe to be fact) is Wrestling Randy Orton at Wrestlemania no matter a squash or not (and Orton putting him over after the match) has made him a bigger star. Is your stance that the appearance did nothing and he would be in the same position globally without the relationship to WWE?

He obviously became known by more people because of the partnership, but his narrative and stardom didn't take the same trajectory. He was on top of the mountain, but WWE creative gave him 15 minutes and now he's on his way down again, as they have done with so many before him.

JustinVerlander07 · 07-21-2025, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaypers

He obviously became known by more people because of the partnership, but his narrative and stardom didn't take the same trajectory. He was on top of the mountain, but WWE creative gave him 15 minutes and now he's on his way down again, as they have done with so many before him.

So you're saying he's less of a star because of WWE?

Jaypers · 07-21-2025, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

So you're saying he's less of a star because of WWE?

At this time, he has plateaued and Creative is responsible.

If you want to continue arguing, you can do it with someone else.

JustinVerlander07 · 07-21-2025, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaypers

At this time, he has plateaued and Creative is responsible.

If you want to continue arguing, you can do it with someone else.

I'm not arguing, and I'm aware you are just done responding, but I am/was legit asking you a question but you just keep not actually answering and dancing around it. I suppose that is really the answer in itself.

Jaypers · 07-21-2025, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I'm not arguing, and I'm aware you are just done responding, but I am/was legit asking you a question but you just keep not actually answering and dancing around it. I suppose that is really the answer in itself.

I'm just not answering to your satisfaction. Someone else can attempt to do so, it just won't be me.

packman80 · 07-21-2025, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaypers

Look at it this way. He's become someone who was becoming hugely popular last year, became champion and now can't win. At WM, he got squashed by Orton in two minutes. TNA's top guy, no less. I'd call that making him a laughingstock. How many in last night's crowd were rooting for him, and not Santana? He's become a fad, and right now he's basically yesterday's news.

To be fair Santana it was a home crowd for him so he was going to have the majority of the fan base behind him. I will admit I do not watch much of TNA so I am not sure what has happened that Santana went from tag team nobody in AEW to a top guy in TNA.

packman80 · 07-21-2025, 07:56 PM

Though I still think best thing to do is Styles needs to lose at SS to Dom then go to TNA. Have him win the title off Trick and then slowly turn Styles heel by saying things like he was wrong there is no talent in this company besides him Back when he was there this place had a ton of young up and coming talent that were hungry and willing to do what it took to get to the top. Now he just see's underachiver's not willing to do what it takes.

He can work with some of the young talent to give them a rub.

packman80 · 07-21-2025, 07:58 PM

The LWO winning a #1 contenders match? Can you get more horrible booking?

JustinVerlander07 · 07-21-2025, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by packman80

The LWO winning a #1 contenders match? Can you get more horrible booking?

The RAW tag scene as a whole sucks/is irrelevant (which is of course bizarre given how much focus the Smackdown division gets)

Cracktoast · 07-21-2025, 09:54 PM

Horrible closing segment Roman just muttering nonsense. Breaker looked like he legit hurt his Jaw and Reigns legit looked like he hurt his shoulder.

JustinVerlander07 · 07-22-2025, 06:01 AM

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Horrible closing segment Roman just muttering nonsense. Breaker looked like he legit hurt his Jaw and Reigns legit looked like he hurt his shoulder.

I just don't find Jey/Roman vs Breakker/Reed credible. Jey and Roman are massive stars, Breakker is still rising and Reed honestly feels worse for being in this 'faction' than he was doing his own thing.

Cracktoast · 07-22-2025, 06:56 AM

To me Bron Breakker is overated for where he is in his career. I mean what are his biggest wins so far Sami Zayne and Jey Uso (Via help from Bloodline 2.0) ?

Crosby 87 · 07-22-2025, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by packman80

Though I still think best thing to do is Styles needs to lose at SS to Dom then go to TNA. Have him win the title off Trick and then slowly turn Styles heel by saying things like he was wrong there is no talent in this company besides him Back when he was there this place had a ton of young up and coming talent that were hungry and willing to do what it took to get to the top. Now he just see's underachiver's not willing to do what it takes.

He can work with some of the young talent to give them a rub.

Should send Jey Uso to TNA instead.

Mandy1320 · 07-22-2025, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cracktoast

To me Bron Breakker is overated for where he is in his career. I mean what are his biggest wins so far Sami Zayne and Jey Uso (Via help from Bloodline 2.0) ?

Eh, Bron still has his whole career ahead of him.

Kinda reminds me of Randy Orton's start as he too joined a faction (albeit with 3 of the all time greats) right off the bat and then took off from there.

I assume they are going to try and do the same with Bron.

cdub6238 · 07-22-2025, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Joe Hendry is 100x a bigger name because of WWE. He wrestled with Roman at the Rumble and a singles match against RANDY ORTON at Wrestlemania holding the TNA championship.

Yep, big nothing burger for TNA.

I think you just don't like WWE in general.

Reports coming out..

AJ Styles was supposed to have an interaction with Frankie Kazarian but got changed multiple times before the last PPV...it's believed it was scrapped by WWE as to not give the idea of a future potential match that would never happen, as no main roster "stars" have wrestled or are planned to wrestle for TNA during the ongoing partnership..

Yep..great partnership lol were gonna send our NXT talent to take your belts, and "steal" 2 top talents when their contracts are up...but yeah we'll give you a little rub and "exposure"

At least AEW sent Kenny Omega to take the belt and be on their tv for a bit..

JustinVerlander07 · 07-22-2025, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cdub6238

Reports coming out..

AJ Styles was supposed to have an interaction with Frankie Kazarian but got changed multiple times before the last PPV...it's believed it was scrapped by WWE as to not give the idea of a future potential match that would never happen, as no main roster "stars" have wrestled or are planned to wrestle for TNA during the ongoing partnership..

Yep..great partnership lol were gonna send our NXT talent to take your belts, and "steal" 2 top talents when their contracts are up...but yeah we'll give you a little rub and "exposure"

At least AEW sent Kenny Omega to take the belt and be on their tv for a bit..

Yes, the partnership the whole time was swapping NXT talent and TNA talent, that isn't a new thing....

duwal · 07-23-2025, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cdub6238

So..your argument is that it's good for TNA...is because 1...1...1...TNA wrestler has become a bigger name, and it's even already pretty much a given that he's WWE bound anyways when his contract is up...

The 2 top belts...Men's and Women's champs are both held by WWE/NXT talent..

Sounds like a great partnership lol

it still sounds better than if there was no partnership. TNA is a near dead company compared to other wrestling companies and discussions. ANYTHING that has them mentioned with wrestling fans is better than them being a stand alone company. Lets try and find the TNA/Action/Impact wrestling thread on here??

JustinVerlander07 · 07-23-2025, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by duwal

it still sounds better than if there was no partnership. TNA is a near dead company compared to other wrestling companies and discussions. ANYTHING that has them mentioned with wrestling fans is better than them being a stand alone company. Lets try and find the TNA/Action/Impact wrestling thread on here??

The simplest way to put it: is TNA as a company in a better position today after partnering with WWE than before it?

Is anyone actually going to say they're in a worse place?

TXRunner · 07-24-2025, 09:49 AM

Heck, I think I have watched more TNA these past few days to just watch Enzo's entrance. So anything TNA can do to bring eyes on their product is a plus, regardless who is benefiting more.

JustinVerlander07 · 07-24-2025, 10:49 AM

Holy moly TMZ is reporting Hulk Hogan died.

TXRunner · 07-24-2025, 10:49 AM

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Holy moly TMZ is reporting Hulk Hogan died.

My brother just sent me a text about this. Wow.

Jaypers · 07-24-2025, 10:57 AM

It always happens in three's.

Malcolm, Ozzy and now Hulk.

Mandy1320 · 07-24-2025, 11:06 AM

One of those guys that I thought would somehow live forever.

Don't know how to feel.

JustinVerlander07 · 07-24-2025, 11:06 AM

WWE posted on twitter, it's real. Wow

Cracktoast · 07-24-2025, 06:40 PM

Sad to hear of Hulk's passing

As wrestling fans what will hurt more Hogan passing or the day Ric Flair leaves us ?

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packman80 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 17,115	Though I still think best thing to do is Styles needs to lose at SS to Dom then go to TNA. Have him win the title off Trick and then slowly turn Styles heel by saying things like he was wrong there is no talent in this company besides him Back when he was there this place had a ton of young up and coming talent that were hungry and willing to do what it took to get to the top. Now he just see's underachiver's not willing to do what it takes. He can work with some of the young talent to give them a rub.

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packman80 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 17,115	The LWO winning a #1 contenders match? Can you get more horrible booking?

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Cracktoast Member Join Date: May 2024 Posts: 1,717	Horrible closing segment Roman just muttering nonsense. Breaker looked like he legit hurt his Jaw and Reigns legit looked like he hurt his shoulder.

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Cracktoast Member Join Date: May 2024 Posts: 1,717	Sad to hear of Hulk's passing As wrestling fans what will hurt more Hogan passing or the day Ric Flair leaves us ?