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AirplaneDon · 08-31-2020, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by samcam

One more day...get in your insults and negative feelings towards TP2020 now.

Fall is for Pump-cans and all Pump-can'ts will be cancelled.

Set is dead. Ghosts are better than the predictable and boring. A very strong card isn't exciting since it was out last week. People are going to put a ton of money in to a set with the same images as other sets, just with blinged out borders. Same as it ever was as David Byrne and TBP would say.

vermonty · 08-31-2020, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dodgersinfinity

PR
Don C Jackie 4931
Rochester Clemente 4040

Wow. Way higher than I guessed. Nice.

samcam · 08-31-2020, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by AirplaneDon

Set is dead. Ghosts are better than the predictable and boring. A very strong card isn't exciting since it was out last week. People are going to put a ton of money in to a set with the same images as other sets, just with blinged out borders. Same as it ever was as David Byrne and TBP would say.

Yup. Funny I was going to pump Thiele but I figured I gotta leave the safeties on on my pump guns.

But it may be the best Gibson yet. The colors. The not doing, doing again and then overdoing or underdoing the portrait. So much stillness. So much crazy action at the same time. It's brilliant.

doubledribble · 08-31-2020, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AirplaneDon

Set is dead. Ghosts are better than the predictable and boring. A very strong card isn't exciting since it was out last week. People are going to put a ton of money in to a set with the same images as other sets, just with blinged out borders. Same as it ever was as David Byrne and TBP would say.

I saw David Byrne on Broadway in Jan. It was rad.

I admittedly have list interest in the set. Too much effort to check releases, companion cards and print runs daily. I'll probably just grab what I'm interested in when all is said and done.

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PDCCollectibles · 08-31-2020, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by vermonty

Wow. Way higher than I guessed. Nice.

I think it may be people see the 2k print runs of 4 out of the last 6 cards and maybe hop back in thinking they are missing out? Or could be the popularity of the Don C and Rochester are climbing....I really like the Clemente....

UGLI baby · 08-31-2020, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by gmoney328

For those of you commenting a week or so ago about Better Call Saul and the baseball card storyline, just saw it over the weekend and it was not disappointing. You guys nailed it. That dude was oblivious to everything EXCEPT getting his cards back. At least the gangsters kept them in decent shape.

VERY good show, and ties nicely with BB so far.

I just want my baseball cards back.

UGLI baby · 08-31-2020, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mudflap02

The actor who plays the baseball card guy (Mark Proksch) is so good, in addition to being COlin Robinson the energy vampire on What We Do In The Shadows, he is also the legendary K-Strass the yo-yo guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj9VF7LyffU

He’s in the last couple seasons of the office as well, right?

He’s great in Better Call Saul

UGLI baby · 08-31-2020, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by samcam

One more day...get in your insults and negative feelings towards TP2020 now.

Fall is for Pump-cans and all Pump-can'ts will be cancelled.

August is for Dumpers.

September is for Pumpers.

eldavojohn · 08-31-2020, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by cavsfan70

btw the AP's are just sitting...

edit: and they gone

I'm finally able to buy APs! I mean, they won't hold value but I finally have a few!

justin80 · 08-31-2020, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by eldavojohn

I'm finally able to buy APs! I mean, they won't hold value but I finally have a few!

Print runs falling, APs not selling. Some advice to Lurking Jeeves: put those APs in the regular print run and watch your profits soar!

samcam · 08-31-2020, 12:08 PM

Go buy your Keith Shore Frank Thomas Autos...

1000 Sport Zonk · 08-31-2020, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by justin80

Print runs falling, APs not selling. Some advice to Lurking Jeeves: put those APs in the regular print run and watch your profits soar!

Dumping the 20 artists proofs into the general population sounds like a wise idea to me. 20 cards at $300 each, so they'd need an additional 300 cards sold to make that back. I'd bet they'd easily add more than that to the print runs.

Plus I cant imagine you'd piss off too large of your fan base if that move was pulled.

samcam · 08-31-2020, 12:12 PM

And go buy your Blake/Ben dual Trout Autos!

Shinjoy · 08-31-2020, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AirplaneDon

Set is dead. Ghosts are better than the predictable and boring. A very strong card isn't exciting since it was out last week. People are going to put a ton of money in to a set with the same images as other sets, just with blinged out borders. Same as it ever was as David Byrne and TBP would say.

I'm cool with her doing something in her style to make her fans and Tony Gwynn collectors happy. I'd get the card if I were a Padres fan.

Everyone sorta has their role in this set, and it's the role of Siff to (intentionally) do something unpredictable that pushes the boundary of good taste and realism. Siff's Tony Gwynn really has what I was feeling in Ghost Gwynn last night, just not as intensely since the card is more chill with the cool purple haze.

AirplaneDon · 08-31-2020, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by samcam

Go buy your Keith Shore Frank Thomas Autos...

I would like the blue, but I'm done spending money on artist autos at this point (or so I tell myself).

BigEd · 08-31-2020, 12:21 PM

Print run last week compared to the week before:

Total print run 8/24-8/28 - 37,358 (-5,564)
Median print run - 3,672 (+332)
Print run minus largest card - 31,786 (-2,635)
Average run w/o largest card - 3,532 (-293)

Largest card this week: Derek Jeter by Mister Cartoon (5,572 - 112.862% of next highest)
Largest card last week: Mike Trout by Joshua Vides (8,501 - 117.304% of next highest)

The stabilization continues as the difference between the lowest and highest PRs continues to shrink. This is the smallest difference (3,129) since week of #175-184 (3,103). Interestingly enough, Mister Cartoon was the high PR in each of those weeks. Even though the total PR fell, the median print run remained relatively stable, suggesting 3,500 is still a fair guess at an average PR. With Blake, Baller, and Trout confirmed for this week (and a Saladeen and a Griffey due), we'll get a little more info into what a "premium" PR should be.

AirplaneDon · 08-31-2020, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Shinjoy

I'm cool with her doing something in her style to make her fans and Tony Gwynn collectors happy. I'd get the card if I were a Padres fan.

Everyone sorta has their role in this set, and it's the role of Siff to (intentionally) do something unpredictable that pushes the boundary of good taste and realism. Siff's Tony Gwynn really has what I was feeling in Ghost Gwynn last night, just not as intensely since the card is more chill with the cool purple haze.

My post was more tongue-in-cheek and firing pot shots back across the net to those that served them over. Sophia's set is what it is, I have nothing against it, but my opinions are always unrelated to the tyrannical needs of Gwynn or Sophia collectors

I hope Thiele goes nuts a couple more times. I think he has the chops to pull it off. I hope we see a bunch of set breakers too as we come down the stretch. Makes it more interesting (and I also think they'll display fine in any set; if it's one, throw it in the middle, 4, throw them in the corners, etc).

1000 Sport Zonk · 08-31-2020, 12:34 PM

Someone else needs to make a vertical card horizontal before this is all through. Only Mister Cartoon has had the GUTS to do so with his McGwire.

AirplaneDon · 08-31-2020, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 1000 Sport Zonk

Someone else needs to make a vertical card horizontal before this is all through. Only Mister Cartoon has had the GUTS to do so with his McGwire.

Shore doing it for his last card would be hilarious.

1000 Sport Zonk · 08-31-2020, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AirplaneDon

Shore doing it for his last card would be hilarious.

Yesss, that would be spectacular! And I collect Shore to boot.

Pacmeyer · 08-31-2020, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gmoney328

Pacmeyer, your comment is uncalled for, and frankly, pisses me off a little. If you care to go back to the "Official Bo Bichette thread" and go back one page, scroll to the top, my first comment was "get well soon Bo."

I then proceeded to say, about halfway down the page, that it might provide a good buying opportunity. Which was completely true.

Maybe instead of dredging up a 2 week old post stating an obvious fact and calling me out AGAIN, you should go ahead and get off my a$$ and worry about yourself.

As far as making things welcoming for new members, not sure what to tell you. This forum seems to have enough new members coming in daily.

Apologies to everyone else as this is getting off-topic...

gmoney328 did you ever stop to think that saying a player's injury created a fantastic buying opportunity comes across as callous and offensive? I didn't deny the truth of your statement but every thought that pops into a person's head doesn't need to be voiced.

If you were truly attempting humor in your recent post then you should have added something other than "Everyone that matters." So, if not just myself, there are a ton of other buyers whose opinion you couldn't care less about? How is that funny at all?

Yes, new members join daily then get turned off by the snarkiness and belittling they get from the rest of the forum. As a P2020 collector yourself, if you wouldn't want new P2020 collectors sticking around for the long haul, I'm the one who doesn't know what to tell you.

If you never want to see my posts again then please block. I certainly don't need to hear you comment again that I should worry about some kind of personal issue.

blakejamieson · 08-31-2020, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by samcam

Blake what's the story on the BB/Blake Auto giveaway I'm seeing on Ben's Twitter?

It's going to be tied to people who order my Gooden (Tues) and/or Ben's Ted Williams (Wedesday).

No purchase necessary. There will be a web form I share on Tuesday, and people can get one entry for free, and additional 2 entries if they buy both my card and Ben's card (or 1 each).

We have 4 total (of the edition of 10) that we are giving away.

AirplaneDon · 08-31-2020, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 1000 Sport Zonk

Yesss, that would be spectacular! And I collect Shore to boot.

I do as well, and could kind of see him getting a laugh over it and it would almost fit the spirit of his set in a way. Maybe Fucci. Can't decide who would be the more likely candidate. I think Fucci already took his shot with his Ryan though.

Jopeal · 08-31-2020, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dodgersinfinity

PR
Don C Jackie 4931
Rochester Clemente 4040

Higher than I would've expected

September in P2020 is going to be veeery interesting

justin80 · 08-31-2020, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blakejamieson

It's going to be tied to people who order my Gooden (Tues) and/or Ben's Ted Williams (Wedesday).

No purchase necessary. There will be a web form I share on Tuesday, and people can get one entry for free, and additional 2 entries if they buy both my card and Ben's card (or 1 each).

We have 4 total (of the edition of 10) that we are giving away.

You know Baller’s gonna invoice winners for that $3 shipping charge though.

08-31-2020, 12:21 PM	#49291
BigEd Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 3,933 thecasualcardcollector biged	Print run last week compared to the week before: Total print run 8/24-8/28 - 37,358 (-5,564) Median print run - 3,672 (+332) Print run minus largest card - 31,786 (-2,635) Average run w/o largest card - 3,532 (-293) Largest card this week: Derek Jeter by Mister Cartoon (5,572 - 112.862% of next highest) Largest card last week: Mike Trout by Joshua Vides (8,501 - 117.304% of next highest) The stabilization continues as the difference between the lowest and highest PRs continues to shrink. This is the smallest difference (3,129) since week of #175-184 (3,103). Interestingly enough, Mister Cartoon was the high PR in each of those weeks. Even though the total PR fell, the median print run remained relatively stable, suggesting 3,500 is still a fair guess at an average PR. With Blake, Baller, and Trout confirmed for this week (and a Saladeen and a Griffey due), we'll get a little more info into what a "premium" PR should be. __________________ "How you portray yourself anonymously is a better representation of character than in settings with tangible repercussions." -JVB

08-31-2020, 12:08 PM	#49286
samcam Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,416	Go buy your Keith Shore Frank Thomas Autos...

08-31-2020, 12:12 PM	#49288
samcam Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,416	And go buy your Blake/Ben dual Trout Autos!

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1000 Sport Zonk Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 1,368	Someone else needs to make a vertical card horizontal before this is all through. Only Mister Cartoon has had the GUTS to do so with his McGwire.