2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Ty Hope]

MSNBC taking “stupid” to new levels:
https://youtu.be/syQ-sBgEE3g

[rman112]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

I sort of feel the same as you. Why do you feel like it was divided?

Groups that viewed themselves as marginalized went on the offense. If you didn't agree with everything they said or did, you were to be shamed for having the "wrong" views. These were already sensitive topics (race, religion, gender, etc). It basically forced people to take one side or the other, and the wedge grew deeper.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by Ty Hope

MSNBC taking “stupid” to new levels:
https://youtu.be/syQ-sBgEE3g

This is the station some members get their news from and post it here.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Ty Hope

MSNBC taking “stupid” to new levels:
https://youtu.be/syQ-sBgEE3g

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

I would strongly disagree with this. Every Republican backed the taking out of Bin Ladin no matter who did it. They aren't like Democrats who are sad over an Iranian terrorist being killed because it was President Trump who did it. Also, it was Bush who put the rewards in motion that eventually led to the intelligence to find Bin Ladin, so he did play a part. It just took time to find someone willing to turn the dude in without getting killed themselves. Bin Ladin was one of the most cautious people I believe the Intelligence community had ever come up against. I do salute Obama for making the tough decision to go forward with that mission since it could have been a disaster.

Trump did this only after he was informed Bin Laden could not be resurrected so that he could personally re-kill Osama, live on FoxNews.

But, seriously, the bolded above is over the top, even for you.
It's not helpful.

Finally, when you earlier confused Susan Rice with another Obama official, you wrote Jared instead of Jarrett (she of chezball's famous Q chart "sniffer" fame). I remember when people at least took the time to properly spell the name of the incorrect person they'd singled for vicious libel.
Ah, the 2000's.

Off to work, gentlemen.
Good day to you all.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by chezball

This is the station some members get their news from and post it here.

So sad, but so true. Blind leading the blind.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

But that's what their indoctrination masters, I mean school teachers, tell them.

Then come out voting for the commie.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Interesting stuff. This is why I think Bush 43 was the worst, by far, of the recent presidents. I also think we would have been better served fighting Afghanistan remotely instead of with so many boots on the ground. That's debatable, but I don't think Iraq being a disaster is debatable.

Felt the same but thought it was tie between him and 44.
Until all the stuff coming out about 44 which put him on top of the list as the worst president ever.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by Ty Hope

MSNBC taking “stupid” to new levels:
https://youtu.be/syQ-sBgEE3g

Originally Posted by chezball

This is the station some members get their news from and post it here.

Originally Posted by cnewby

So sad, but so true. Blind leading the blind.

Want to see something even scarier?

"Now, this is just my hunch," Trump said, which should have spurred Hannity to interrupt, but he didn't, so Trump continued, "based on a lot of conversations with a lot of people that do this, because a lot of people will have this, and it's very mild -- they'll get better very rapidly, they don't even see a doctor, they don't even call a doctor -- you never hear about those people, so you can't put them down in the category of the overall population, in terms of this corona flu, and/or virus. So you just can't do that."

Trump continued by discarding his own administration's advice to stay home if you're feeling sick: "If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better, just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work, some of them go to work, but they get better, and then when you do have a death, like you've had in the state of Washington, like you had one in California, I believe you had one in New York." No deaths have been reported in New York.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by free2131

Want to see something even scarier?

Getting better by going to work....gotta love it. His mathematics during that ramble was even more impressive. Trump v Biden is the best we can do?

[chezball]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

And just when I thought I saw a glimmer of civility between us....

It's aight...I can put the gloves back on. You do not use racial overtones so I will continue to engage.

I commended you for admitting to hitting the triangle, no one else had the balls to admit it. It had to be more than one person or I doubt houds would've make that post.Maybe if you stop thinking russia helped 45, then maybe it wouldn't have to be brought up.

Someone brought up a good pt., not sure if it was here or someplace else.
Bloomy spent 1/2 billion dollars and it didn't do anything.
russia spent $100k on FB ads but that somehow pushed 45 over the top.
HRC spent over a billion dollars, had the fake news attacking 45 24/7.
All that and it didn't work, so please spare me the russian narrative.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by chezball

This is the station some members get their news from and post it here.

This shouldn’t be happening. MSNBC and CNN are strictly propaganda agencies at this point. There’s no “they’re” giving me something to consider at this point. It’s actively straight out lies. And I’m not talking about the commentary shows although both stations have painfully blurred the lines between commentary and hard news reporting.

It’s the same thing with Washington Post and NYT. They both have horribly tainted reporting, the worst being using repeated unnamed sources as well as intentionally conflating illegal and legal immigrants in ALL of their reporting on the subject.

I’d strongly urge everyone to drop all msm news sources. If you want a balance, USA Today(slightly left of center) and Wall St Journal(right of center) combined with a the accumulation at Real Clear Politics seems to be a really good and fair balance.

If you have to watch tv, abc seems to be the least biased of the major networks and Fox does run stuff in their hard news that no one else seems to pick up.

And for Gods sake don’t read the crap from internet and Facebook sites like Now This, The Blaze, Infowars, Mother Jones, Huffington Post, etc. It’s all opinion masquerading as news articles.

If you do follow some of the news sources I listed as problematic, or worse the late night talk shows, you should really have a deep reflection on why you are choosing news based on your political leanings. What you should be looking for is factual based reporting, not someone manipulating how you think and feel.

I had this conversation years ago regarding Michael Moore’s movies with some lefty friends. Now understand, these guys were true liberals and believed strongly in hearing all points of view. I told them that Moore’s films were not documentaries at all and were in fact strictly propaganda. Their response was that the films give you something to think about. My counter was that’s not possible when the films intentionally misrepresent situations and are factually inaccurate in other situation. There is nothing to think about when someone is attempting to mislead you...their opinion ought to be outright discarded. The same is true of CNN and MSNBC. There’s zero concern at those networks for truth. Only an onslaught of orange man bad.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by free2131

Want to see something even scarier?

Maybe some day his supporters will call him on his BS. That day will probably fall around the same time his opponents admit the Russia meddling isn't a big deal.

[ntgm37]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

I was a Middle Eastern analyst for the Navy during the time and it was a load of BS. Every report listed stuff as possible and probable. You don't go to war over probable and possible and then it ends up being a pile of garbage that was never there. Instead we relied too much on intelligence from splinter groups who wanted Saddam gone. I mean why not listen to their intelligence? It had no agenda right? Syria has always had WMDs thanks to their Russian allies.

Now, I agree that Saddam was a bad dictator and he did nothing to help his people. Look at all of the problems we have had since ousting him. There was no Taliban in Iraq when Saddam was there because he didn't get along with them. ISIS would have never came along to fill the power void of a weak Iraqi Government. Iran wouldn't have infiltrated the weak Iranian Government.

We had Saddam boxed in and powerless with the no fly zones and embargoes and that's right where we should have kept him until the day he died. Instead, we took him out and it caused chaos.

Well, we're just going to have to disagree on all fronts. That's fine though, we all had different experiences and saw many different things.

[chezball]

Where's pgisback, think he switched sides?

[preakness]

Originally Posted by chezball

Where's pgisback, think he switched sides?

dude was hilarious with his made up bets
he got called out on all of it when he was busted for his lies about bets on another site

[Boo]

People complaining about not enough coronavirus tests, maybe because the government controls the only test available at the moment (capitalist companies have just started producing). Sounds like some sort of ism

[Cuddy Collector]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

She isn't a handsome woman like Rachel "Madcow" Maddow though...

Roy G Biv!

[Soxfanguy]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ll/4973287002/

Goose Gossage rants about state of MLB: 'It's like the Democrats are running baseball'

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Cuddy Collector

Roy G Biv!

Yeah always going to remember that from school. Then the planets from Savee by the Bell until they ruined Pluto. mvemjsunp

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ll/4973287002/

Goose Gossage rants about state of MLB: 'It's like the Democrats are running baseball'

He’s at least right about baseball sucking these days.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Trump did this only after he was informed Bin Laden could not be resurrected so that he could personally re-kill Osama, live on FoxNews.

But, seriously, the bolded above is over the top, even for you.
It's not helpful.

Finally, when you earlier confused Susan Rice with another Obama official, you wrote Jared instead of Jarrett (she of chezball's famous Q chart "sniffer" fame). I remember when people at least took the time to properly spell the name of the incorrect person they'd singled for vicious libel.
Ah, the 2000's.

Off to work, gentlemen.
Good day to you all.

Did not almost every Democrat in Congress and Presidential candidate come out and condemn the President for killing this terrorist? Did not CNN and MSNBC attack him 24/7 over it? If you can't come to the conclusion that these life long Democrats and the media hate this country, then your are truly a lost individual. Everything they do and say on a daily basis shows their only goal is to hate Trump and take him down rather than give 2 craps for any American.

I'm so glad you can remember the name of every administration official since the dawn of time and how to spell them. Typical liberal attacks. Surprised I didn't make a grammar mistake in there with a comma that you could have uselessly pointed out too.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Trump did this only after he was informed Bin Laden could not be resurrected so that he could personally re-kill Osama, live on FoxNews.

But, seriously, the bolded above is over the top, even for you.
It's not helpful.

Finally, when you earlier confused Susan Rice with another Obama official, you wrote Jared instead of Jarrett (she of chezball's famous Q chart "sniffer" fame). I remember when people at least took the time to properly spell the name of the incorrect person they'd singled for vicious libel.
Ah, the 2000's.

Off to work, gentlemen.
Good day to you all.

Now you are just lying. Democrats were mad he killed a known terrorist. Did they push to change the law so he couldn't act without their approval? If some of these people knew it would have been leaked.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

This shouldn’t be happening. MSNBC and CNN are strictly propaganda agencies at this point. There’s no “they’re” giving me something to consider at this point. It’s actively straight out lies. And I’m not talking about the commentary shows although both stations have painfully blurred the lines between commentary and hard news reporting.

It’s the same thing with Washington Post and NYT. They both have horribly tainted reporting, the worst being using repeated unnamed sources as well as intentionally conflating illegal and legal immigrants in ALL of their reporting on the subject.

I’d strongly urge everyone to drop all msm news sources. If you want a balance, USA Today(slightly left of center) and Wall St Journal(right of center) combined with a the accumulation at Real Clear Politics seems to be a really good and fair balance.

If you have to watch tv, abc seems to be the least biased of the major networks and Fox does run stuff in their hard news that no one else seems to pick up.

And for Gods sake don’t read the crap from internet and Facebook sites like Now This, The Blaze, Infowars, Mother Jones, Huffington Post, etc. It’s all opinion masquerading as news articles.

If you do follow some of the news sources I listed as problematic, or worse the late night talk shows, you should really have a deep reflection on why you are choosing news based on your political leanings. What you should be looking for is factual based reporting, not someone manipulating how you think and feel.

I had this conversation years ago regarding Michael Moore’s movies with some lefty friends. Now understand, these guys were true liberals and believed strongly in hearing all points of view. I told them that Moore’s films were not documentaries at all and were in fact strictly propaganda. Their response was that the films give you something to think about. My counter was that’s not possible when the films intentionally misrepresent situations and are factually inaccurate in other situation. There is nothing to think about when someone is attempting to mislead you...their opinion ought to be outright discarded. The same is true of CNN and MSNBC. There’s zero concern at those networks for truth. Only an onslaught of orange man bad.

Fox News lies also. They were claiming Trump was going to cut social security entitlements and were like we have the clip. They played the clip and that is not what he said. Trump did say some entitlements would be cut, but never stated which entitlements. The majority on Fox push fake news also. Main stream media is dead. People are woke to the lies they push.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Did not almost every Democrat in Congress and Presidential candidate come out and condemn the President for killing this terrorist? Did not CNN and MSNBC attack him 24/7 over it? If you can't come to the conclusion that these life long Democrats and the media hate this country, then your are truly a lost individual. Everything they do and say on a daily basis shows their only goal is to hate Trump and take him down rather than give 2 craps for any American.

Disagreement on policy or direction of the country does not mean someone hates the country. Can we stop with that political BS.