2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Wait, what?

Constitutional amendments and impeachment are the two checks Congress has on the Supreme Court.

They can't bind justices with new legislation because every law is subject to judicial review.

What are you referring to?

If a set of Judges continually had the same (or similar) newly made laws coming up for review, it's expected they would eventually allow the will of the people via that legislation to stand. That's a potential problem with a Supreme Court filled with ideologues.

[Onions]

Originally Posted by mike1498

I'm still convinced that the black community in general was able to relate to Obama. Is it odd that blacks identified as democrats at some of the lowest levels but Obama won the highest black vote percentage ever?

Not odd at all. Obama was an amazing candidate. Historical. I am not a fan of his politics, but he was a transitional American political figure. As much as I disagree with his vision, I am happy he was able to break through. He proved that this country can look beyond race. That was his most lasting legacy.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Onions

I was not embarrassed at all. I was apprehensive of Trump, but after the last 4 years, I am more than willing to say I am a Trump voter. He has more than earned it. There is no way I would vote for a CCP bag man. None.

Trump is the only guy willing to fight against what killed middle America. Biden fought FOR what killed it.

The jobs that are never coming back partly due to obsolescence and the current president who gives tax cuts to the corporations who outsource the supposed jobs to other countries?

[Onions]

Originally Posted by jdandns

If a set of Judges continually had the same (or similar) newly made laws coming up for review, it's expected they would eventually allow the will of the people via that legislation to stand. That's a potential problem with a Supreme Court filled with ideologues.

The will of the people is reflected in the constitution. If it is by an overwhelming majority, that document gets amended. Our judges should make decisions based on our founding document, not what they think "the people" want. It's their job.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by jdandns

If a set of Judges continually had the same (or similar) newly made laws coming up for review, it's expected they would eventually allow the will of the people via that legislation to stand. That's a potential problem with a Supreme Court filled with ideologues.

They're not idealogues; they're the non-partisan best candidates for the position. The rest is purely coincidence #tds

[Onions]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

The jobs that are never coming back partly due to obsolescence and the current president who gives tax cuts to the corporations who outsource the supposed jobs to other countries?

I have raised this issue several times in this thread. Clinton, Biden, et al. outsourced these jobs as a result of their preferred policy. They are the reason we lost manufacturing jobs. They may never come back, but voting for the guy that was in favor of sending them away over the guy trying to bring them back seems ridiculous. You get what you vote for. Biden will move the rest of our production jobs to China. It's what he does.

Edit: We all need to learn how to code, that is his solution.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by jdandns

If a set of Judges continually had the same (or similar) newly made laws coming up for review, it's expected they would eventually allow the will of the people via that legislation to stand. That's a potential problem with a Supreme Court filled with ideologues.

That's not how our US federal government works. Congress can't "spam" legislation and override the Supreme Court.

You are also forgetting that the primary function of our Constitution and the Supreme Court that interprets it is to protect the rights of the minority. All the way down to the individual. The Bill of Rights is not a populist or democratic document.

Are people forgetting these basics?

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by jdandns

It's more a question of the temperament and vocabulary of those who choose to immediately to employ such terms.

My wife is a woman of color, and she said the Kamala is really annoying and unlikeable. My wife doesn't curse, so that's as close as you are going to get from her.

[Onions]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

My wife is a woman of color, and she said the Kamala is really annoying and unlikeable. My wife doesn't curse, so that's as close as you are going to get from her.

No one likes her. She was the first one out of the 24 candidates in the democrat field. For good reason.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Onions

I have raised this issue several times in this thread. Clinton, Biden, et al. outsourced these jobs as a result of their preferred policy. They are the reason we lost manufacturing jobs. They may never come back, but voting for the guy that was in favor of sending them away over the guy trying to bring them back seems ridiculous. You get what you vote for. Biden will move the rest of our production jobs to China. It's what he does.

How is Trump going to bring these jobs back if the corporations who ultimately employ these workers prefer to outsource? What is being done to incentivize manufacturers to rehire more costly american laborers? How is he going to combat automation?

Honest questions

[Onions]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

How is Trump going to bring these jobs back if the corporations who ultimately employ these workers prefer to outsource? What is being done to incentivize manufacturers to rehire more costly american laborers? How is he going to combat automation?

Honest questions

Well, he has worked on China with tariffs. It's easy to send those jobs away, far tougher to bring them back. Sucks that we elected people that moved them out. It will take much longer to get them back than it took to send them away. I didn't vote for that. In fact, I was unable to even cast a vote before that damage was done.

[Yanks23]

Originally Posted by mike1498

I'll say this much, they got dealt a raw hand.

Statically, there has never been a higher percentage of blacks vote democrat than when Obama ran.
Ironically blacks identify as democrat at some of the lowest levels in history. This was by PEW by the way.

This leads me to believe either blacks weren't what they claimed to be or they related to Obama more.

I do believe identity politics is a lot stronger than people believe. Same with relatability.

The real ? should be to why are African Americans still voting for dems if things are soo bad for them and have not improved for decades. Isnt this the very definition of insanity to continue to do the same thing but expect different results.

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBrian

Post debate headlines:

CNN: Pence, Harris Dodge Questions During Debate
Hannity: Senator Harris Deflects, Denies and Evades During Cringeworthy Debate Performance

Might be the most honest headline for CNN in years.

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

unofficial speaking times -

Pence: 35:22
Harris: 38:48

via @Kjwalsh_news

I'm surprised by this. It seemed to me that he went over longer and more often.

[Callmethevreez]

Originally Posted by mike1498

And for people who are saying that Trump was the "strongest" candidate in 2016, why was polling so off?

I believe it was the silent majority as well.

The difference was they could've been silent because they held their noses while voting. They were embarrassed that the election came down to this and they didn't want to have to explain why they voted economy over the more presentable candidate (which is understandable).

The more I think about it, I don't know how "wrong" the polls were verse how many people were actually too embarrassed to say they chose him over Hillary.

I think a lot of conservatives are afraid to say how they vote/feel because of backlash, cancel culture, vehicle vandilation, etc in open public.

I would never go into a major US city and openly talk about it. I'd probably just try to say whatever that person or group wanted to hear. I'm not putting myself or anyone with me in danger.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Yanks23

The real ? should be to why are African Americans still voting for dems if things are soo bad for them and have not improved for decades. Isnt this the very definition of insanity to continue to do the same thing but expect different results.

It was done by PEW research so if you consider that reputable source than yes it’s real.

[Yanks23]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

How is Trump going to bring these jobs back if the corporations who ultimately employ these workers prefer to outsource? What is being done to incentivize manufacturers to rehire more costly american laborers? How is he going to combat automation?

Honest questions

I work in mfg and have for the past 25 yrs in the finance world for very large companies. The move to China and other low cost places was done to chase wage savings but companies have found out of the years that a lot is lost by doing this like IP, poor quality, transportation costs, increase WC etc. There has been a push over the past 5 to 10 years to move out of China to other low cost areas and some companies have actually moved back to domestic production since wages have gone up across the world - still not anywhere close to US levels. The tariffs were a good start to try to level playing field but the real $$ is in allowing global companies to bring back overseas money at lower tax rates only if they invest in new US jobs. There is billions of $$ in profits tied up overseas that companies dont bring back to US to pay taxes on.

Automation is the not a big of a deal as people like to believe. There are several issues with it #1 - ROI - i have never seen a positive return for large companies to replace even US wages with automation to get investment approved. #2 - Mass production volumes - only certain industries make items in the qty's need and run 24 /7 to make the automation investment work - even cell phone and other electronic mfg overseas in Asia is still very labor heavy #3 - Automation equipment technology - it is not as good as people believe you still need humans to run, program and oversee - this is no a movie.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

My wife is a woman of color, and she said the Kamala is really annoying and unlikeable. My wife doesn't curse, so that's as close as you are going to get from her.

Fair enough.

Originally Posted by Onions

The will of the people is reflected in the constitution. If it is by an overwhelming majority, that document gets amended. Our judges should make decisions based on our founding document, not what they think "the people" want. It's their job.

Sure, and the Constitution is necessarily a living document.
It has to be.
The Founders could never have imagined the world of today, and they didn't try to.
They wisely left it for us to solve new problems they couldn't have possibly foreseen.
We have a lot of work to do.

[Yanks23]

Originally Posted by mike1498

It was done by PEW research so if you consider that reputable source than yes it’s real.

I believe the data but I just cant understand why people would continue to vote the same party if they are unhappy with how things are going. Common sense would tell you that if you are not happy with your elected officials that you may want to look at other options not just vote in the same people but i guess that is just crazy talk.

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by Onions

No one likes her. She was the first one out of the 24 candidates in the democrat field. For good reason.

I thought you were talking about my wife at first.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

I thought you were talking about my wife at first.

Haha.. this is great.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Callmethevreez

I think a lot of conservatives are afraid to say how they vote/feel because of backlash, cancel culture, vehicle vandilation, etc in open public.

I would never go into a major US city and openly talk about it. I'd probably just try to say whatever that person or group wanted to hear. I'm not putting myself or anyone with me in danger.

Doesn't this say something though? I only bring this up because a lot of republicans were arguing that Trump was the strongest candidate in 2016 but doesn't that seem odd that we're too scared to say what we feel?

There's two plausible solutions.

1) The left is just trying to make the right fear them and if the right express how they feel their "racist"

or

2) We're embarrassed to say we voted for him just because we agree with him on most policies but think he's childish.

Probably both are true but I think it's telling that polling was so far off. I don't know if an argument can be made that he was the strongest candidate if the majority of the party was afraid to even admit it.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Yanks23

I believe the data but I just cant understand why people would continue to vote the same party if they are unhappy with how things are going. Common sense would tell you that if you are not happy with your elected officials that you may want to look at other options not just vote in the same people but i guess that is just crazy talk.

I mean the data shows that majority of blacks are still democrat, and do vote as so. I don't know based on that data how you could conclude they are unhappy with results.

[Callmethevreez]

For me it's more 1, but from the standpoint of I'm not getting into any type of physical/verbal altercations over politics with complete strangers. I fear the non rationale people who can't have civil discussion and still love/respect someone if they have a different opinion.

However, I would totally agree it's both 1&2 for people in general. I do think he was the strongest canadate in 16 but in a hard to explain non normal politician way.

Originally Posted by mike1498

Doesn't this say something though? I only bring this up because a lot of republicans were arguing that Trump was the strongest candidate in 2016 but doesn't that seem odd that we're too scared to say what we feel?

There's two plausible solutions.

1) The left is just trying to make the right fear them and if the right express how they feel their "racist"

or

2) We're embarrassed to say we voted for him just because we agree with him on most policies but think he's childish.

Probably both are true but I think it's telling that polling was so far off. I don't know if an argument can be made that he was the strongest candidate if the majority of the party was afraid to even admit it.

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by quackhead

Wonder if they will sell more of these than the Fauci card:

https://www.topps.com/cards-collecti...wr-card-3.html

Donald Trump Card : Print Run 6,634
Joe Biden Card: Print Run 3,946

I think we all know who is going to win the election