The Official NBA Regular Season Thread—-20/21 Edition - Page 192

jcardstore · 03-22-2021, 11:41 AM

Dallas is a fine place for Luka. Cuban is a good owner who isn't afraid to spend and clearly wants to win.

Dallas is a huge market, great city in a big state. Why wouldn't free agents want to go there? Who wouldn't want to play with Luka anyways? Great players want to play with other great players regardless of where they are and Luka is clearly one of the best players in the NBA right now

NeedChapmans · 03-22-2021, 12:35 PM

I see Irving is taking another vacation week.

Played 8 games this month. Dude better slow it down!

bleh · 03-22-2021, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by daeve

Per Woj - so likely they fall to 7/8 I'd guess, barring Lebron rushing back... which wouldn't be wise.

that's ok. we'll be the best 7th/8th seed team ever, assuming no one else gets injured

Dame · 03-22-2021, 01:29 PM

RIP Elgin Baylor.

brothertona · 03-22-2021, 01:37 PM

I don't really see a scenario where JC is traded. The Hawks are going to rightfully ask for the moon. They apparently asked for Malik Beasley and a 1st round pick from the T-Wolves.

Dame · 03-22-2021, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

Dallas is a fine place for Luka. Cuban is a good owner who isn't afraid to spend and clearly wants to win.

Dallas is a huge market, great city in a big state. Why wouldn't free agents want to go there? Who wouldn't want to play with Luka anyways? Great players want to play with other great players regardless of where they are and Luka is clearly one of the best players in the NBA right now

Last great Dallas FA signing was what Marion or JJ Barrea? And that was during Dirk’s era. Porzingis doesn’t count since he was a trade acquisition.

Dallas should be a hot bed for Superstar players, great city and pretty cool owner but that hasn’t happened ...yet. Marquee FA declining Cubes has become a civic curse for some reason.

Maybe Luka could change all that, but I’m not too sure. Perhaps a coaching change would help. Talks of Carlisle not being a player coach has been confirmed by some.

hairyangryfella · 03-22-2021, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I see Irving is taking another vacation week.

Played 8 games this month. Dude better slow it down!

"Nets' Kyrie Irving is not accompanying the team on this week’s three-game road trip in order to tend to a family matter, team says."

Happens to be his birthday tomorrow...

NeedChapmans · 03-22-2021, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

"Nets' Kyrie Irving is not accompanying the team on this week’s three-game road trip in order to tend to a family matter, team says."

Happens to be his birthday tomorrow...

HA! This I did not know but makes perfect sense.

RogerGodahell · 03-22-2021, 02:48 PM

Dallas is a good spot for Luka. I'm sure people said the same things about teams like CHI and the Patriots before they started winning. In fact i know they did about NE they were the laughing stock of the NFL for awhile when i was a kid. Just 1 person changed all that for both teams though. Will he need help? Sure even all of the great ones did. No one wins championships by themselves. Some were just blessed to be surrounded by several HOF'ers sooner than others.

daeve · 03-22-2021, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

"Nets' Kyrie Irving is not accompanying the team on this week’s three-game road trip in order to tend to a family matter, team says."

Happens to be his birthday tomorrow...

honestly with how brazen they've been about the whole thing :
1) Harden getting his way
2) BG throwing down a massive dunk in his debut after year + without
3) Kyrie just unashamedly taking another break after we all know what he did last time

if they stroll to the Finals/championship with some help from the other guys in black+white [much like the Lakers did in the bubble], then 'the fix' will be all too apparent for me and I might have to quit on the NBA...

I guess we'll see how this plays out, but I'm already getting the vibe that this is how it might go down.

jcardstore · 03-22-2021, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dame

Last great Dallas FA signing was what Marion or JJ Barrea? And that was during Dirk’s era. Porzingis doesn’t count since he was a trade acquisition.

Dallas should be a hot bed for Superstar players, great city and pretty cool owner but that hasn’t happened ...yet. Marquee FA declining Cubes has become a civic curse for some reason.

Maybe Luka could change all that, but I’m not too sure. Perhaps a coaching change would help. Talks of Carlisle not being a player coach has been confirmed by some.

I think Luka would change that if he chooses to stay in Dallas but we'll see. He's magnitudes better than Dirk IMO. Without knowing their cap situation it's really hard to say about the past.

I believe the Mavs are gonna have a max spot open next season?

daeve · 03-22-2021, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

Dallas is a good spot for Luka. I'm sure people said the same things about teams like CHI and the Patriots before they started winning. In fact i know they did about NE they were the laughing stock of the NFL for awhile when i was a kid. Just 1 person changed all that for both teams though. Will he need help? Sure even all of the great ones did. No one wins championships by themselves. Some were just blessed to be surrounded by several HOF'ers sooner than others.

Just like Dirk needed Chandler, I think Luka will need a DPOY-level sidekick to compliment his offensive game. [barring other superstars joining him of course]

RogerGodahell · 03-22-2021, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by daeve

Just like Dirk needed Chandler, I think Luka will need a DPOY-level sidekick to compliment his offensive game. [barring other superstars joining him of course]

Yeah it would have been nice to see Giannis and Luka paired up but it didn't happen. Not yet anyways there's still hope in 5 years. Those two would have wreaked havoc on the NBA. Would have been unstoppable imo.

But there's always the next guy to come along whoever that may be. Everyone wants instant gratification but sometimes things like winning championships take 5-6 years. It even did for MJ and LeBron. I think people forget that.

Dame · 03-22-2021, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

I think Luka would change that if he chooses to stay in Dallas but we'll see. He's magnitudes better than Dirk IMO. Without knowing their cap situation it's really hard to say about the past.

I believe the Mavs are gonna have a max spot open next season?

Yeah, Luka's gravity is different for sure. Not sure what their FA plan was. I know they were saving up for Giannis but that's out of the window now. Jrue is still an option I think.

I think Kawhi has a player option and that automatically makes him the biggest FA next summer.

Other nameworthy that could fit in Dallas are; Lauri, Derozan, LMA and some restricted guys like Jarrett Allen, Duncan Robinson, J Collins.

tjforce · 03-22-2021, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

Yeah it would have been nice to see Giannis and Luka paired up but it didn't happen. Not yet anyways there's still hope in 5 years. Those two would have wreaked havoc on the NBA. Would have been unstoppable imo.

But there's always the next guy to come along whoever that may be. Everyone wants instant gratification but sometimes things like winning championships take 5-6 years. It even did for MJ and LeBron. I think people forget that.

A lot of people have a hard time admitting that MJ had a career losing record without Pippen.

Durant hasn't won one without joining a team with another top 20 all time player, a sure fire Hall of Famer like Klay, and Draymond.

LeBron without Kyrie, Wade, Bosh, AD, Etc.

Just doesn't happen very often.

drobfan8 · 03-22-2021, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

A lot of people have a hard time admitting that MJ had a career losing record without Pippen.

Durant hasn't won one without joining a team with another top 20 all time player, a sure fire Hall of Famer like Klay, and Draymond.

LeBron without Kyrie, Wade, Bosh, AD, Etc.

Just doesn't happen very often.

MJ a career loser without Pippen. Terrible take. When Pippen sat out they started slow but weren't they then 1st or 2nd in the East before Pip came back? And Jordan carried them to Finals wins with Pip giving them nothing. Pip cost them a title in 89 with his migraine.

Durant didn't win a title without Steph and Co, sure, but he'd already racked up series wins vs teams that beat the Heatles. Multiple series wins vs Dirk and TD etc. The West was so brutal.

LeBron, got me thinking what his biggest scalp is without his stacked teams, it's not pretty, probably a Jason Kidd/Carter Nets team in 07. Or maybe a Ben Wallace less Pistons team.

You do need a top level guy though to win the big one alongside the star. How does Dallas make that happen?

BlueXtreme · 03-22-2021, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by drobfan8

Nice line from Collins. Wondering what happens with him. I hope the Spurs try and get him.

Also, did LeBron really come back in the game on a bum ankle just to get to 10 points and keep his streak going?

Or he was just testing his ankle. If he didn't test it, people would be calling him a wimp. I am curious how long he'll be out and if the Lakers fall out of playoff contention.

drobfan8 · 03-22-2021, 06:30 PM

Does Kyrie Irving think he's Dennis Rodman and can take leave whenever?

I guess if the Nets and League let him it's no big deal.

daeve · 03-22-2021, 06:49 PM

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[Jamal Murray] "Let me just say something. 30 free throws for them to our 10. In the last four mins, they shot 4 straight mins of FT's. That is crazy. And zero FTs for Nikola. You're gonna tell me the Joker plays 35 minutes and doesn't get to the line once? I'm telling you that's ridiculous."

Now Malone needs to man-up and do the same, and maybe by starting now they might even the gap a little bit by the playoffs.

I really should've been taking screenshots of Jokic's red/bloody arms after every game and superimposing his FTA for the night. We know the NBA hates the small markets but they need to make it slightly less obvious

tjforce · 03-22-2021, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by drobfan8

MJ a career loser without Pippen. Terrible take. When Pippen sat out they started slow but weren't they then 1st or 2nd in the East before Pip came back? And Jordan carried them to Finals wins with Pip giving them nothing. Pip cost them a title in 89 with his migraine.

Durant didn't win a title without Steph and Co, sure, but he'd already racked up series wins vs teams that beat the Heatles. Multiple series wins vs Dirk and TD etc. The West was so brutal.

LeBron, got me thinking what his biggest scalp is without his stacked teams, it's not pretty, probably a Jason Kidd/Carter Nets team in 07. Or maybe a Ben Wallace less Pistons team.

You do need a top level guy though to win the big one alongside the star. How does Dallas make that happen?

Read more carefully please.

I didn't say he was a career loser, just that he has a career losing record without Pippen.

It's not a take. Go look it up, it's a fact.

drobfan8 · 03-22-2021, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by daeve

Now Malone needs to man-up and do the same, and maybe by starting now they might even the gap a little bit by the playoffs.

I really should've been taking screenshots of Jokic's red/bloody arms after every game and superimposing his FTA for the night. We know the NBA hates the small markets but they need to make it slightly less obvious

Jokic definitely is not getting that respect. Imagine him getting an extra 4 or 5 free throws per game like the other studs.

Crazy.

Malone needs to send 2 mins worth of fouls from their last few games that didn't get called.

It works

drobfan8 · 03-22-2021, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

Read more carefully please.

I didn't say he was a career loser, just that he has a career losing record without Pippen.

It's not a take. Go look it up, it's a fact.

Making the Playoffs in your 1st 3 seasons makes you a loser?

Pippen's 1st season he didn't even start 1 game and they finished 3rd in the East.

Pippen's 2nd season he still came off the bench 17 games.

Just a hot take right there. Pippen totes saved MJ amirite. Jesus.

tjforce · 03-22-2021, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by drobfan8

Making the Playoffs in your 1st 3 seasons makes you a loser?

Pippen's 1st season he didn't even start 1 game and they finished 3rd in the East.

Pippen's 2nd season he still came off the bench 17 games.

Just a hot take right there. Pippen totes saved MJ amirite. Jesus.

You seem to be having some trouble comprehending what I said..

He wasn't a loser without Pippen, he just had a losing record. It's not debatable. It's a fact.

What isn't clear about that?

ninjacookies · 03-22-2021, 07:05 PM

Dust off them THT's.

Someone has to score in LA.

Dame · 03-22-2021, 07:08 PM

Betting favorites for each player on the trade market:

Aaron Gordon: Warriors
Andre Drummond: Mavericks
John Collins: Mavericks
Kyle Lowry: Heat
Lonzo Ball: Knicks
Nikola Vucevic: Celtics
Norman Powell: Knicks
Victor Oladipo: Heat

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jcardstore Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 22,002 Jcardstore	Dallas is a fine place for Luka. Cuban is a good owner who isn't afraid to spend and clearly wants to win. Dallas is a huge market, great city in a big state. Why wouldn't free agents want to go there? Who wouldn't want to play with Luka anyways? Great players want to play with other great players regardless of where they are and Luka is clearly one of the best players in the NBA right now __________________ Just moonwalking through hell on my last brain cell

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RogerGodahell Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Cardboard Enthusiast Posts: 20,783 RogerGodahell	Dallas is a good spot for Luka. I'm sure people said the same things about teams like CHI and the Patriots before they started winning. In fact i know they did about NE they were the laughing stock of the NFL for awhile when i was a kid. Just 1 person changed all that for both teams though. Will he need help? Sure even all of the great ones did. No one wins championships by themselves. Some were just blessed to be surrounded by several HOF'ers sooner than others.

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Dame Banned Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 3,482	Betting favorites for each player on the trade market: Aaron Gordon: Warriors Andre Drummond: Mavericks John Collins: Mavericks Kyle Lowry: Heat Lonzo Ball: Knicks Nikola Vucevic: Celtics Norman Powell: Knicks Victor Oladipo: Heat