MLB Heading To A Lockout

[Stech36]

Originally Posted by pewe

There are ~3.6MM k-12 school teachers in the US. https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ls-since-1955/

Average salary is about $50k. https://www.payscale.com/research/US...eachers/Salary

= $180B

Most of these also have pension plans that I’m guessing are probably worth, in PV, something like 10-25% of their current salary. So you can probably float that number up a good bit.


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My Mom is a teacher and gets 60% of her salary a year for the rest of her life.

[carlo16]

Originally Posted by Stech36

My Mom is a teacher and gets 60% of her salary a year for the rest of her life.

How many years did she have to work for that 60%? To stay on topic, I think MLB maxes out their pension after 10 years.

[Stech36]

Originally Posted by carlo16

How many years did she have to work for that 60%? To stay on topic, I think MLB maxes out their pension after 10 years.

25 years

Correct MLB is after 10 years for full pension, but there are multiple different levels. For example players get healthcare for life after one day

[carlo16]

Originally Posted by Stech36

25 years

Correct MLB is after 10 years for full pension, but there are multiple different levels. For example players get healthcare for life after one day

That’s not bad. In CT it’s 30 years to get to 60%.

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

MLB and the players have confirmed that they won't be talking about core economic issues until January. They set a soft deadline of February 1 to avoid interruptions to spring training. If I had to guess I'd say the real deadline is about February 20, if not February 25.

So they arent going to start talking until Jan 30……. figures.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by anusinha

So they arent going to start talking until Jan 30……. figures.

Nobody cares until games start getting cancelled.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

When do we think they will actually sit down and start figuring this out again? Feb 1st?

Couldnt have called that any better

[pewe]

Guess they are going to start negotiating again on Thursday

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-mlbpa-bargaining-session


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[JRX]

Originally Posted by pewe

Guess they are going to start negotiating again on Thursday

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-mlbpa-bargaining-session


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I'm really curious what happens in these sessions. Does like one side go "give us more money" and the other side says "no, give US more money" and then they agree to table the discussion when the caterer arrives.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by JRX

I'm really curious what happens in these sessions. Does like one side go "give us more money" and the other side says "no, give US more money" and then they agree to table the discussion when the caterer arrives.

Haha!!! Maybe the solution is worse catering so they can’t wait to go home at end of day???


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[anusinha]

Originally Posted by JRX

I'm really curious what happens in these sessions. Does like one side go "give us more money" and the other side says "no, give US more money" and then they agree to table the discussion when the caterer arrives.

The first step is arguing about who is paying for the caterer.

[BigSeph]

After the entire NCAA tournament was canceled due to Covid, and most of the major sports in the US were more or less shut down, I don't think a lockout would have the same impact that it would have 3+ years ago.

Plus this way we get to enjoy minor league baseball and that's really what I care most about. If something was going to screw up the minor league season, I'd be more bothered by this. They will get it figured out. They already got a dose of what it's like with no money coming in a couple of years ago when they had to push back opening day, doubt they want that happening twice in 3 years.

[JRX]

Figured I'd add this here. Not mentioned was the prime rib was overcooked, the duck confit was dry, and they ran out of beluga whale caviar

The owners made this core economics proposal to the players' union as scheduled on Thursday, but it sounds like the details presented within did not serve to advance the negotiations to any substantial degree. If any degree at all. MLB proposed a higher minimum salary and more money for players with multiple years of service time, per Jon Heyman of Audacy Sports, but the overall offer was seen as "disappointing." Passan writes that the question now is "how soon the MLBPA counters" and adds that "spring training starting on time is in peril." As of this moment, pitchers and catchers are (very tentatively) scheduled to report to camps in Florida and Arizona around the middle of February. Opening Day is, also perhaps tentatively, set for March 31.

[speedyjg13]

Late to the party... what happened today? Are we closer or further from a deal?

[pewe]

MLB.com’s coverage of today’s offer: https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-mlbpa-h...aining-session


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[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

Late to the party... what happened today? Are we closer or further from a deal?

No movement. The owners made a bunk-ass proposal today. The players will counter with a bunk-ass one of their own within a couple of weeks. Then they will get down to business in early February. I would not worry any more than I have been about a delayed start to spring training until a few days after pitchers and catchers are due to report. This was always going to go down to the wire.

[Whodatdog]

Sadly I have a feeling neither side is in all that much a hurry to start the 2022 season. Between the owners not wanting to give up anything, and the players feeling they got shafted the last negotiation, I dont think anyone is willing to compromise any time soon. Add in the latest round of the virus rearing its ugly head lately, and I think were sitting til way after the seasons supposed to start. Hope Im wrong though.

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by Whodatdog

Sadly I have a feeling neither side is in all that much a hurry to start the 2022 season. Between the owners not wanting to give up anything, and the players feeling they got shafted the last negotiation, I dont think anyone is willing to compromise any time soon. Add in the latest round of the virus rearing its ugly head lately, and I think were sitting til way after the seasons supposed to start. Hope Im wrong though.

This current peak of the virus will be long gone by then. It's too large of a spike to last that long...

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by Whodatdog

Hope Im wrong though.

Hope is a beautiful thing. Your hopes and wishes will come true. Just sit back and watch.

[doowopbruce]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Hope is a beautiful thing. Your hopes and wishes will come true. Just sit back and watch.

I hope they start the damn season on time.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by doowopbruce

I hope they start the damn season on time.

The season will start on time. Before we know it, everyone will be talking about how good the Mets look, and then soon after, the conversation will turn to how quickly their season went into the gutter. Just like every other year.

[kidfan9]

Just asked my friend, who’s son plays for the Mets, what the thinking is about the season starting on time. “ No , the owners want to get rid of arbitration and make a salary cap. Very much like the NBA. Jd would normally be booking his stuff to arrive at ST in mid feb. union told them don’t bother due to not being anywhere close.”

[SearchPatrol]

Originally Posted by kidfan9

Just asked my friend, who’s son plays for the Mets, what the thinking is about the season starting on time. “ No , the owners want to get rid of arbitration and make a salary cap. Very much like the NBA. Jd would normally be booking his stuff to arrive at ST in mid feb. union told them don’t bother due to not being anywhere close.”

I have not seen Anywhere that the Owners want to end arbitration and have a salary cap. Now, the league has had a Luxury tax for sometime now? Also, they want eliminate Super 2 status, but not end arbitration. Just seems par for the times, hear 1-2 inches of snow on the way and people say a blizzard is coming.

[JRX]

If we go back to the mlb pravda article it's pretty clear they're not talking the same language.

Per sources, the union’s primary objective has been a substantial overhaul of the sport’s economic system, including three core components that have been part of the CBA for decades: six-year free agency, Super-Two eligibility and revenue sharing.

MLB’s proposals prior to the lockout included a number of concessions to players, including an NBA-style draft lottery, a universal DH, an increase to the minimum player salary, an increase in the CBT (competitive balance tax) threshold and the elimination of the qualifying offer system, which would remove draft-pick compensation from all free agents.

MLB had also offered a 14-team postseason format in a proposal that would have increased the CBT threshold from $210 million to $214 million, eventually climbing as high as $220 million. The union’s most recent proposal prior to the lockout called for a $245 million CBT threshold and an expanded postseason format that included 12 teams.

Players want changes to free agency, service time manip, teams not competing and just banking rev share money. Owners offer changes to draft, dh, min sal.

So far, I havent seen any proposal from the owners that changes how service time works. They did have that proposal to replace arbitration with fwar.

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[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by kidfan9

Just asked my friend, who’s son plays for the Mets, what the thinking is about the season starting on time. “ No , the owners want to get rid of arbitration and make a salary cap. Very much like the NBA. Jd would normally be booking his stuff to arrive at ST in mid feb. union told them don’t bother due to not being anywhere close.”

First and foremost...lets hope he gets out of the Mets organization as soon as possible. Everything else doesn't matter. Sending prayers for your friends son!