The annual 'Ben Simmons was hitting 3's in an open gym' sighting.

[tlm7995]

Originally Posted by twooge74

Silver Prizm rookie prices have been steadily coming down. Not sure if it's the Luka effect or not. Got a BGS 9.5 for $475. Hoping I bought the dip at the right time. We'll see I guess.

Yea, silver prices were down about 40% from their peak in October of this year but they just boosted a little since Ben hit that amazing three a few games ago.

If you bought that card for pc purposes, awesome man. If you bought it for price appreciation, I think there is a lot better buys out there. Simmons has proved this year that he doesn't care about scoring or what the media criticizes him for. He is an amazing defender and he just wants to facilitate. If Brett Brown instructs him to do more offensively, I think he will, but I still question his ability to do so.

What has he done to boost his hobby appeal? He literally just had his third triple SINGLE of the season last night (I know I know, one was in a game that he left early for injury). But the fact remains, he doesn't put up anywhere close to MVP numbers. He hasn't shown ANY complexity to his offense...it's dunk or dunk harder.

To the Philly faithful in this thread that is celebrating his passing, defense, and minutes played, I'm not hating on the guy. I think he is an amazing defender and teammate and someone that will help the 76ers win a title in the coming years. This guy is talking about Simmons price in the hobby and I'm simply giving some opinion in regards to that.

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by twooge74

Silver Prizm rookie prices have been steadily coming down. Not sure if it's the Luka effect or not. Got a BGS 9.5 for $475. Hoping I bought the dip at the right time. We'll see I guess.

Seeing as how a psa 10 just sold for $920 after the one you bought, I'd say $475 is a pretty good deal from that perspective, relative to current prices. I think there's still room to move lower. Keep in mind his PSA 10's were $650-700 this summer so he's actually gone up not down. Just tempering your price expectations a bit, as there's probably another $100-150 to be had in bgs 9.5 price dipping I'd guess.

Simmons hit his 3 during a night that Luka had his best performance of his career and his prices still shot up 30-40% overnight. Very few cards in the hobby that are not rookies are watched that closely to be able to have that kind of movement so fast, he's definitely got a big loyal hobby following. He's had streches of performing poorly and still his silver psa 10's have never dipped below $600. Whether that's investors in him or collector's who buy when we can, I don't know. In terms of a card that isn't affected by the bubble we're currently experiencing in the hobby, I'd say Simmons is one of the more heavily personally collected cards in the hobby so there's a lot of safety in that imo.

[gomiamigo]

Yeah I bought my PSA 10 probably a year ago, don't remember the price if it was live or on eBay but I think in the 750 range just guessing.

He destroyed Butler. Made him look washed.

[cornelljw]

Was that Reggie Miller out there this game?

[rman112]

50 percent, folks.

[KeenanRIVALS]

I thin Embiid needs to go.

[gomiamigo]

Best player in the NBA tonight.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by KeenanRIVALS

I thin Embiid needs to go.

I don't think Embiid needs to go, but Brown seriously needs to tailor the offense around the distribution and cutting ability of Simmons and have Embiid not be the focal point unless there's a major match-up issue.

Games like the other day vs Washington where Embiid turned the ball over 8 times, compared to only 1 assist, should never happen

[Ferg1945]

Simmons has a nice shot. Looks like he is getting it under control and trusts it more and more.

He's gonna be scary soon.

[cardfund]

Great game from Ben, hope he can continue on like this.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

Simmons has a nice shot. Looks like he is getting it under control and trusts it more and more.

He's gonna be scary soon.

That's the thing...

Other guys that 'can't shoot' (howard, Tristan T) happen to sink a 3 and the shot still looks ugly.

Ben's shot looked good. Wish he'd take a few more.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I don't think Embiid needs to go, but Brown seriously needs to tailor the offense around the distribution and cutting ability of Simmons and have Embiid not be the focal point unless there's a major match-up issue.

Games like the other day vs Washington where Embiid turned the ball over 8 times, compared to only 1 assist, should never happen

They definitely don't pair well on the floor together.

If Simmons is actually capable of having nights like last night on a semi-consistent basis, the offense should revolve around him.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

They definitely don't pair well on the floor together.

If Simmons is actually capable of having nights like last night on a semi-consistent basis, the offense should revolve around him.

That’s the thing... he may very well show up and go 4/8 next game with like 11 total points and play passive as F. I missed the game... was at my son’s basketball game... but the crowd seemed super into it in the highlights. Hopefully it inspired him to continue to play this way. I think most 76ers fans are willing to live with him taking the Giannis “chuck it til it works” approach, but he needs to find his balls and do it. The only thing stopping Ben is Ben. I’m super hype about his performance, and he’s slowly taking more and more jumpers and his free throw form looks better. Looking forward to seeing what he does against Toronto.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

That’s the thing... he may very well show up and go 4/8 next game with like 11 total points and play passive as F. I missed the game... was at my son’s basketball game... but the crowd seemed super into it in the highlights. Hopefully it inspired him to continue to play this way. I think most 76ers fans are willing to live with him taking the Giannis “chuck it til it works” approach, but he needs to find his balls and do it. The only thing stopping Ben is Ben. I’m super hype about his performance, and he’s slowly taking more and more jumpers and his free throw form looks better. Looking forward to seeing what he does against Toronto.

The Cavs defense is bad... I get but, but he scored 34 points on 86% shooting.

Nobody else in the league has done that. When Ben goes off, he does it with amazing efficiency, which is part of what makes it so frustrating to see games he isn't aggressive.

Hoping that Embiid being back in the lineup doesn't kill Ben's flow. The Raps have Joel shook anyways, so maybe they'll let Ben run the offense.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by tjforce

The Cavs defense is bad... I get but, but he scored 34 points on 86% shooting.

Nobody else in the league has done that. When Ben goes off, he does it with amazing efficiency, which is part of what makes it so frustrating to see games he isn't aggressive.

Hoping that Embiid being back in the lineup doesn't kill Ben's flow. The Raps have Joel shook anyways, so maybe they'll let Ben run the offense.

Cavs are still an NBA defense, even if they’re bad. And Ben made some great plays and made some really nice shots that would work on any defense. Super promising performance from him.

Last night is the source of 100% of my frustration with Ben. You see what this guy is capable of and it’s jaw dropping. Aggressive Ben is a top 10 player with best in the league potential. Passive Ben is top 25ish, which is a significant drop off for him given what he can do. He’s too talented to be a top 25 only and still be considered a success.

[KeenanRIVALS]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

That’s the thing... he may very well show up and go 4/8 next game with like 11 total points and play passive as F. I missed the game... was at my son’s basketball game... but the crowd seemed super into it in the highlights. Hopefully it inspired him to continue to play this way. I think most 76ers fans are willing to live with him taking the Giannis “chuck it til it works” approach, but he needs to find his balls and do it. The only thing stopping Ben is Ben. I’m super hype about his performance, and he’s slowly taking more and more jumpers and his free throw form looks better. Looking forward to seeing what he does against Toronto.

If you noticed the last game, he was trying to be aggressive as well. He was asking for the ball, sometimes ball watching anticipating the pass. He made a lot of mistakes (traveled, step out of bounds) and they lost, but I did notice that he looked as if he wanted to score more.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by KeenanRIVALS

If you noticed the last game, he was trying to be aggressive as well. He was asking for the ball, sometimes ball watching anticipating the pass. He made a lot of mistakes (traveled, step out of bounds) and they lost, but I didn't notice that he looked as if he wanted to score more.

That’s what needs to happen


Go through the growing pains now instead of April.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by KeenanRIVALS

If you noticed the last game, he was trying to be aggressive as well. He was asking for the ball, sometimes ball watching anticipating the pass. He made a lot of mistakes (traveled, step out of bounds) and they lost, but I did notice that he looked as if he wanted to score more.

Simmons would benefit from playing with another competent PG alongside him. There are a number of times where he’s open and it’s a pass he would make if he was the PG, but since Tobias Harris is the one controlling the ball and doesn’t have great court vision, they miss Ben when he’s open. Or whoever... I’m not trying to pick on Tobias.

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Simmons would benefit from playing with another competent PG alongside him. There are a number of times where he’s open and it’s a pass he would make if he was the PG, but since Tobias Harris is the one controlling the ball and doesn’t have great court vision, they miss Ben when he’s open. Or whoever... I’m not trying to pick on Tobias.

No..No that is not how Simmons works at all...

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Justin7

No..No that is not how Simmons works at all...

Lol dude I watch almost every game. I’m talking specifically about Ben being useful without the ball in his hands in certain sets, not playing alongside another PG all game. I’ve watched him get frustrated when teammates don’t see him open under the hoop or on a cut... or he’s just in a spot where a lesser passer can’t thread the needle to him the way he can to others.

[KeenanRIVALS]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Lol dude I watch almost every game. I’m talking specifically about Ben being useful without the ball in his hands in certain sets, not playing alongside another PG all game. I’ve watched him get frustrated when teammates don’t see him open under the hoop or on a cut... or he’s just in a spot where a lesser passer can’t thread the needle to him the way he can to others.

When I watch Ben he doesn't cut, he just stands there and watches the other players on his team play, then he realizes that he's playing too.

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Lol dude I watch almost every game. I’m talking specifically about Ben being useful without the ball in his hands in certain sets, not playing alongside another PG all game. I’ve watched him get frustrated when teammates don’t see him open under the hoop or on a cut... or he’s just in a spot where a lesser passer can’t thread the needle to him the way he can to others.

I haven't missed a sixers game in nearly a decade.

There are competent PGs on the roster. Two. Neto and Burke. They both have excellent vision. Simmons strength is in transition, we haven't been designing plays that use him very much in the half-court set and we mostly rely on him being around the basket for lobs + put back dunks rather than using him in the post. That is currently in the process of changing. Tobias missed two post up play pass opportunities last game. He's not our ball-dominant guy, though. The reason you think that is because he's an excellent iso guy and we will often run plays that are as simple as feed Tobias the ball on a mismatch and let him go to work. If that fails he often runs the clock down too much to get another good look for the team, but for every 1 failure there is 3 successes where everyone gets to rest while he goes to work. It's invaluable and he doesn't have the ball much outside of that. The whole reason we hired Tobias is because he has the highest minutes played/games played of any perrennial all-star in the league, he's a workhorse and we can work him to death while guys like Embiid/horford/Jrich rest. We are paying him the big bucks in many ways because of this. If you haven't noticed Simmons and Tobias have some of the greatest synergy of anyone on the team. They're constantly sharing plays of them connecting with each other on social media, and on the court that connection plays out in one of the scariest ways for other teams. In transition Tobi and Simmons will pass the ball back and forth until someone gets the lob into the dunk. It's a huge inspiring play that gives this offense an engine. Tobi's court vision is not bad. Tobi is like Horford in that he's an obedient player to Brett Brown's system and we haven't been running Half-court sets designed around Simmons. I don't know if we will actually start doing it in practice with Embiid on the floor, it limits Embiid but it's certainly not the kind of pass these guys are used to making or practice making when they run sets daily.

The guys who bring the ball up the floor are Neto, Burke, and Simmons. Obviously if Simmons is running the O he's in control, Neto and Burke are pretty good at finding Simmons when he rolls or in the rare case when he cuts. Thybulle I dare say is actually decent at it, too. When Simmons and Embiid had an off passing night combining for 15 turnovers, Thybulle stepped up for 6 assists on 0 turnovers, most of which were to Simmons.

The real issue is Embiid and Simmons on the floor at the same time. Our guys are fully capable and some of the best in the league at running post plays, they can adapt to using Simmons instead of Embiid but the truth of the matter is the space is too clogged with both on the floor and there's a lot to figure out in that regard. With Embiid off the floor our half-court offense is one of the worst in the league, unless Simmons can play like he played last night every time, and with Simmons off the floor our full court offense goes from top-tier to average. As this system develops and the synergy develops these things will be figured out. Patience.

[regularp]

Originally Posted by tjforce

The Cavs defense is bad... I get but, but he scored 34 points on 86% shooting.

Nobody else in the league has done that. When Ben goes off, he does it with amazing efficiency, which is part of what makes it so frustrating to see games he isn't aggressive.

Hoping that Embiid being back in the lineup doesn't kill Ben's flow. The Raps have Joel shook anyways, so maybe they'll let Ben run the offense.

He has three career games of 30 or more. This season he has two games of 20 or more.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by regularp

He has three career games of 30 or more. This season he has two games of 20 or more.

So does that change the fact that he scored with amazing efficiency yesterday?

Or the Brooklyn in the playoffs last year when he scored 31 pts on 85% shooting? Or the game last year during the regular season where he dropped 28 pts on 92% shooting. Or vs Toronto when he dropped 26 on 85% shooting.

I'm confused on if you are trying to make a counter point, affirm my point, or neither.

[rman112]

Brown says he wants a 3 every game.