Ronald Acuña - Page 1898

SupermanBrandon · 08-06-2023, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

That's exactly why I'm so confused. Acuna is the definition of a 98 percentile outcome of what you dream of a prospect to become. I can only assume it's because of the injury time lost and him not being on track for being an inner circle HoFer (yet). Even more surprising that people are dumping for flat prices in the middle of a MVP campaign. Are they selling to buy Elly thinking he'll be better? Is all the money going to Ohtani? Just trying to understand.

I think there's primarily 3 things...

1. Any extra money right now is going to Ohtani & other sports. Most baseball investors have dumped their pre-season/early in the season investments by now.

2. Guys that are paying the really stupid money for cards, are investors. They couldn't care less what the player does 2 years much less 5-10 years from now. They preach that when trying to sell the story of the player and the card...but they don't care. They are looking to buy, pump, sell during a hot streak or major hype time of the year.

3. There's only so many actual collectors dollars to go around. Guys are spread thin in today's world of a ton of releases.

Trueblue · 08-06-2023, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

I think there's primarily 3 things...

1. Any extra money right now is going to Ohtani & other sports. Most baseball investors have dumped their pre-season/early in the season investments by now.

2. Guys that are paying the really stupid money for cards, are investors. They couldn't care less what the player does 2 years much less 5-10 years from now. They preach that when trying to sell the story of the player and the card...but they don't care. They are looking to buy, pump, sell during a hot streak or major hype time of the year.

3. There's only so many actual collectors dollars to go around. Guys are spread thin in today's world of a ton of releases.

Make sense. I guess I just didn't realize how much short term sellers have tidal waved the market in the last couple years. I obviously primarily collect another player so I'm insulated from it. I suppose I'm also subconsciously comparing it to Judge last year when he was chasing 63 and had a big hobby market backing him, so I guess it's apples to oranges. This hobby is tough.

dream34 · 08-06-2023, 09:16 PM

I think this stuff just takes time, always has in other sports too. Lebron's didn't move up until the December AFTER his 2016 Title. Curry stuff didn't take a huge jump until the January AFTER his 1st 2015 Title. Even Mahomes & Ohtani cards have shown similar movement only after solidifying their previous performance. There is no doubt what Acuna is doing this season will help his long term value. A unanimous NL MVP along with edging Ohtani in All-Star votes should have Acuna seeing some attention by early next season. Plan for early next season and if it happens sooner, great

redauto5 · 08-06-2023, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

Make sense. I guess I just didn't realize how much short term sellers have tidal waved the market in the last couple years. I obviously primarily collect another player so I'm insulated from it. I suppose I'm also subconsciously comparing it to Judge last year when he was chasing 63 and had a big hobby market backing him, so I guess it's apples to oranges. This hobby is tough.

Yep, this hobby is tough indeed - especially the last couple years if one bought into the hype train. Guys like you and me whose primary collection is of the guy that's bucked that trend are in a great position, and yes stuff looks cheap to me too outside Ohtani. I'm starting to look at guys like Soto, Acuna, Betts, JRam, Trout. I'd like to get a couple nice cards of each of those guys ($300-$600 each or so in my case) to diversify some of my Sho profits into other current players I like and respect and are performing at a level I'm excited about. All told maybe a $5k investment into this diversifying project, and I'll look to get into that stuff toward the end of this year and beginning of next year in hopes that stuff is marginally cheaper then than now. But I'm starting to scout for my targets currently.

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Trueblue · 08-06-2023, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by redauto5

Yep, this hobby is tough indeed - especially the last couple years if one bought into the hype train. Guys like you and me whose primary collection is of the guy that's bucked that trend are in a great position, and yes stuff looks cheap to me too outside Ohtani. I'm starting to look at guys like Soto, Acuna, Betts, JRam, Trout. I'd like to get a couple nice cards of each of those guys ($300-$600 each or so in my case) to diversify some of my Sho profits into other current players I like and respect and are performing at a level I'm excited about. All told maybe a $5k investment into this diversifying project, and I'll look to get into that stuff toward the end of this year and beginning of next year in hopes that stuff is marginally cheaper then than now. But I'm starting to scout for my targets currently.

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Yeah definitely looking to diversify a bit, and while buying in-season is generally not a good value, the prices feel reasonable. Everyone on BO knows I love Sho, but I'm also not blind to value.

blockedbyjames · 08-07-2023, 09:24 AM

Acuna is case 101 why the hobby makes zero sense.

Clearly the top NL hitter, young, WS title, likely another this year, and stagnant prices for the most part.

It's on to the next shiny thing. Good for buyers tho.

chris_ac · 08-07-2023, 09:49 AM

I mentioned this issue when I left the yearly Bowman prospect cycle back in 2017ish. No one stops and experiences the good ones when they do appear. Hence, reading player threads of all younger guys and hoping for better results than Ronald in 5 years from now. But we are also living in revisionist history ages. No 2 fans will see a player's accolades/disappointments quite the same. Media across the board perpetuates every stat/accomplishment is "unbelievable." No just about nothing is "unbelievable." Heck, Congress just had public hearings about UFOs and the nature of the beast with that discussion. Not unbelievable but then depends who you talk to. My point is valid for sports talk just the same. Records are made to be broken my father loves to say as he watches baseball with me. He hates the fundamentals being poor from bad baserunning to little league looking errors, and walking batters too soon/quickly. If I need the blood pumping, I give rebuttals when necessary lol My father was raised baseball so he bought MLB TV on father's day and gets his edification daily from that. But we do need a "woosa" earlobe rubbing timeout when watching those baseballs gaffes accrue.

Anyways, back to Ron, when you remove the hype/fervor/bandwagon etc. and enjoy your favorite player for many years, you should be rewarded better than finding a younger player who has to be better than the one you dropped like a streaming option. Pretend it's the 90s before metrics/analytics and stick to the simple stats you watch without questioning. Great hits/fielding etc and it's all good. You know, singles and stolen bases Ronnie!

Cards and 401K · 08-07-2023, 09:33 PM

It's going to take another great year after 2023 for prices to get rolling, without the leg injury his prices would be much stronger now, he is young and talented prices will eventually follow IMO.

SupermanBrandon · 08-07-2023, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cards and 401K

It's going to take another great year after 2023 for prices to get rolling, without the leg injury his prices would be much stronger now, he is young and talented prices will eventually follow IMO.

Maybe, maybe not.

2018 - ROY
2019 - Top 5 NL MVP
2020 - Covid
2021 - They started etching his name on the MVP at the start of July before the injury.
2022 - Played during his ACL recovery
2023 - MVP leader in August

They guy is actually meeting all expectations that the hobby has had, for the past 5 years. How many players actually meet the hype? Can anyone name 5 in the past 5 years in any sport?

So another 30/60 season will shoot Acuna's prices up? I just dont buy it. Now imagine buying Elly, Corbin, Tatis, Vlad, etc right now. They need 5 years of actually meeting hobby expectations to maybe rise?

Just showing how unrealistic the expectations and prices are in this hobby for prospects and rookies. If you buy in, you're most likely going to lose.

JohnnyHatesJazz · 08-07-2023, 09:46 PM

still a lot of baseball to go. Mook is tearing it up. So is FreeMan.

But he's had a crazy good year. Major bounce back from last year.

SupermanBrandon · 08-07-2023, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

still a lot of baseball to go. Mook is tearing it up. So is FreeMan.

But he's had a crazy good year. Major bounce back from last year.

Agree. He needs to finish strong but its his to lose. The idea of 40/40 is all but gone. He will need to keep playing hard thru the season as these guys start inching closer. It can be a very "what have you done for me lately" vote.

Cards and 401K · 08-07-2023, 09:50 PM

Great analogy a little FOMO will help, for me all of my Acuna Jr collection is still well in the money. Bought RAW and also ripped in 2018, 2019 and they graded well.

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JohnnyHatesJazz · 08-07-2023, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Agree. He needs to finish strong but its his to lose. The idea of 40/40 is all but gone. He will need to keep playing hard thru the season as these guys start inching closer. It can be a very "what have you done for me lately" vote.

he is the leader going into today.no matter what happens, this year has been a major plus and if he can keep it up, his cards are gonna jump. He is the trout of the east and I said that couple years ago and stand by it.

Cards and 401K · 08-07-2023, 10:16 PM

Besides the AllStar game and a solid playoff run, if Acuna Jr did win the NL MLP and a Silver Slugger could he also win comeback player of the year?

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atk825 · 08-07-2023, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cards and 401K

Besides the AllStar game and a solid playoff run, if Acuna Jr did win the NL MLP and a Silver Slugger could he also win comeback player of the year?

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Feel like comeback is gonna go to Cody Bellinger.

Cards and 401K · 08-07-2023, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by atk825

Feel like comeback is gonna go to Cody Bellinger.

Yep he hit rock bottom

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MiamiMarlinsFan · 08-08-2023, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by blockedbyjames

Acuna is case 101 why the hobby makes zero sense.

Clearly the top NL hitter, young, WS title, likely another this year, and stagnant prices for the most part.

It's on to the next shiny thing. Good for buyers tho.

The market as a whole is still recovering from the pandemic boom. Acuña’s values have actually done well when compared to his peers.

ACCDADEAL · 08-08-2023, 07:31 AM

I hated to sell we needed it right now for our family. Hopefully it does ok. Just FYI to BO!

https://goldin.co/item/2018-topps-he...d-acuna-jv7927

blockedbyjames · 08-08-2023, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

The market as a whole is still recovering from the pandemic boom. Acuña’s values have actually done well when compared to his peers.

They've done well because Acuna is playing at a level above all his peers.

blockedbyjames · 08-08-2023, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Cards and 401K

Besides the AllStar game and a solid playoff run, if Acuna Jr did win the NL MLP and a Silver Slugger could he also win comeback player of the year?

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Won't win CPOY but might win everything else. Belli's got CPOY locked up already...what's he like 3rd best hitter in the NL right now? Crazy comeback story for him, but that's another thread.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 08-08-2023, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by blockedbyjames

They've done well because Acuna is playing at a level above all his peers.

Exactly. And that’s what it takes now to keep your values up. You can’t be just regular baseball good. (See Bo Bichette for an example.)

Cards and 401K · 08-08-2023, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ACCDADEAL

I hated to sell we needed it right now for our family. Hopefully it does ok. Just FYI to BO!

https://goldin.co/item/2018-topps-he...d-acuna-jv7927

Very nice card! GLWS!!

Merkle14 · 08-08-2023, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ACCDADEAL

I hated to sell we needed it right now for our family. Hopefully it does ok. Just FYI to BO!

https://goldin.co/item/2018-topps-he...d-acuna-jv7927

I'll keep an eye on it!

dizzydolse · 08-08-2023, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Maybe, maybe not.

2018 - ROY
2019 - Top 5 NL MVP
2020 - Covid
2021 - They started etching his name on the MVP at the start of July before the injury.
2022 - Played during his ACL recovery
2023 - MVP leader in August

They guy is actually meeting all expectations that the hobby has had, for the past 5 years. How many players actually meet the hype? Can anyone name 5 in the past 5 years in any sport?

So another 30/60 season will shoot Acuna's prices up? I just dont buy it. Now imagine buying Elly, Corbin, Tatis, Vlad, etc right now. They need 5 years of actually meeting hobby expectations to maybe rise?

Just showing how unrealistic the expectations and prices are in this hobby for prospects and rookies. If you buy in, you're most likely going to lose.

Not really, collectors and people buying and pumping Acuna early on didn't want or expect these three years:

2020 - Covid
2021 - They started etching his name on the MVP at the start of July before the injury.
2022 - Played during his ACL recovery

No matter the reasons for it, that's three years early in his career that didn't live up to expectations.

dizzydolse · 08-08-2023, 04:45 PM

If Acuna ended up having a career as good as Miguel Cabreras, it would be a miracle. How much love does he get within the hobby?

08-07-2023, 09:49 AM	#47432
chris_ac Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,280	I mentioned this issue when I left the yearly Bowman prospect cycle back in 2017ish. No one stops and experiences the good ones when they do appear. Hence, reading player threads of all younger guys and hoping for better results than Ronald in 5 years from now. But we are also living in revisionist history ages. No 2 fans will see a player's accolades/disappointments quite the same. Media across the board perpetuates every stat/accomplishment is "unbelievable." No just about nothing is "unbelievable." Heck, Congress just had public hearings about UFOs and the nature of the beast with that discussion. Not unbelievable but then depends who you talk to. My point is valid for sports talk just the same. Records are made to be broken my father loves to say as he watches baseball with me. He hates the fundamentals being poor from bad baserunning to little league looking errors, and walking batters too soon/quickly. If I need the blood pumping, I give rebuttals when necessary lol My father was raised baseball so he bought MLB TV on father's day and gets his edification daily from that. But we do need a "woosa" earlobe rubbing timeout when watching those baseballs gaffes accrue. Anyways, back to Ron, when you remove the hype/fervor/bandwagon etc. and enjoy your favorite player for many years, you should be rewarded better than finding a younger player who has to be better than the one you dropped like a streaming option. Pretend it's the 90s before metrics/analytics and stick to the simple stats you watch without questioning. Great hits/fielding etc and it's all good. You know, singles and stolen bases Ronnie! __________________ PC (NFS/NFT): Anze Kopitar/Justin Jefferson/Victor Wembanyama IG: playerclector

08-07-2023, 09:46 PM	#47435
JohnnyHatesJazz Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 7,124	still a lot of baseball to go. Mook is tearing it up. So is FreeMan. But he's had a crazy good year. Major bounce back from last year. __________________ JohnnyHatesJazz is the unofficial Blowout Forum DJ He is also: *Captain Of The Mayeflower*

08-08-2023, 07:31 AM	#47443
ACCDADEAL Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Charlottesville VA Posts: 3,480 collectionsuneed	I hated to sell we needed it right now for our family. Hopefully it does ok. Just FYI to BO! https://goldin.co/item/2018-topps-he...d-acuna-jv7927 __________________ Strictly underground funk, keep the crossover. Please feel free to counter offer my prices in a PM. Thanks!

08-06-2023, 09:16 PM	#47428
dream34 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 2,983	I think this stuff just takes time, always has in other sports too. Lebron's didn't move up until the December AFTER his 2016 Title. Curry stuff didn't take a huge jump until the January AFTER his 1st 2015 Title. Even Mahomes & Ohtani cards have shown similar movement only after solidifying their previous performance. There is no doubt what Acuna is doing this season will help his long term value. A unanimous NL MVP along with edging Ohtani in All-Star votes should have Acuna seeing some attention by early next season. Plan for early next season and if it happens sooner, great

08-07-2023, 09:24 AM	#47431
blockedbyjames Banned Join Date: Apr 2021 Location: Sacramento Posts: 611	Acuna is case 101 why the hobby makes zero sense. Clearly the top NL hitter, young, WS title, likely another this year, and stagnant prices for the most part. It's on to the next shiny thing. Good for buyers tho.

08-07-2023, 09:33 PM	#47433
Cards and 401K Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 3,566	It's going to take another great year after 2023 for prices to get rolling, without the leg injury his prices would be much stronger now, he is young and talented prices will eventually follow IMO.

08-07-2023, 09:50 PM	#47437
Cards and 401K Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 3,566	Great analogy a little FOMO will help, for me all of my Acuna Jr collection is still well in the money. Bought RAW and also ripped in 2018, 2019 and they graded well. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

08-07-2023, 10:16 PM	#47439
Cards and 401K Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 3,566	Besides the AllStar game and a solid playoff run, if Acuna Jr did win the NL MLP and a Silver Slugger could he also win comeback player of the year? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

08-08-2023, 04:45 PM	#47450
dizzydolse Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,938	If Acuna ended up having a career as good as Miguel Cabreras, it would be a miracle. How much love does he get within the hobby?