Julio Rodriguez

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

then stop worrying so much about the day-to-day performance of these young bucks

let it all play out and see how (in this case) JRod's numbers look in 5 years

p.s. im about a decade older than you haha

I hear what you are saying! I think JRod is a really good player and seems like a good person in general. I have no issues putting my hard earned money into his cardboard.

I think my biggest issue right now is reconcile buying at the top of the market during the Covid boom and being unfortunate with the Tatis Jr. and Wander fiascos. It just makes is not so fun to collect current players when things like that happen. But its a good lesson to learn.

My other issue, is that most can make money on the hobby or fiance their PC through buying and selling, which is nearly impossible for me due to the amount of hours I work. So I am a buy and hold collector (hoping the players I collect do well and appreciate in value). Seems this is nearly impossible to do in this market. Those that have bought prior to Covid have a huge advantage. And collecting is like picking individual stocks and trying to beat the market...it is nearly impossible. There are very few examples of players that have appreciated in value over the years and have maintained value after retiring.

I guess I realize what this is for me...fun money to collect and gamble. I am hoping to win a few (and not just lose). Feel like Ohtani being my #1 PC helps as I think as time goes buy he will be even more appreciated for being a unicorn/amazing.

[REGGIE206]

J-Rod will be just fine. He will be the face of the Mariners for the next decade. He is still young and his power will only improve.

[JoshMN]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

And just the beginning of a new season after basically carrying his team on his back into the playoffs the prior season.

2x Silver Slugger
2x All Star

Before age 23. LoL hobby moving on from him. He is the damn hobby.

King Speedyjg the 13th has spoken. Lol. J-Rod's formal excommunication from The Hobby will now begin.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

I hear what you are saying! I think JRod is a really good player and seems like a good person in general. I have no issues putting my hard earned money into his cardboard.

I think my biggest issue right now is reconcile buying at the top of the market during the Covid boom and being unfortunate with the Tatis Jr. and Wander fiascos. It just makes is not so fun to collect current players when things like that happen. But its a good lesson to learn.

My other issue, is that most can make money on the hobby or fiance their PC through buying and selling, which is nearly impossible for me due to the amount of hours I work. So I am a buy and hold collector (hoping the players I collect do well and appreciate in value). Seems this is nearly impossible to do in this market. Those that have bought prior to Covid have a huge advantage. And collecting is like picking individual stocks and trying to beat the market...it is nearly impossible. There are very few examples of players that have appreciated in value over the years and have maintained value after retiring.

I guess I realize what this is for me...fun money to collect and gamble. I am hoping to win a few (and not just lose). Feel like Ohtani being my #1 PC helps as I think as time goes buy he will be even more appreciated for being a unicorn/amazing.

the bolded part is exactly correct. collect, sit back and enjoy.

a friend of mine makes a great point. this hobby is one of the very few that if we are "done with it", we get back money for it. it may not be an amount we want, but it is still something.

[towerymt]

On a whim, went looking for a cool J-Rod card...I sent an offer yesterday on a '24 Black, but it was auto-declined ...so I tried again today, found this may be the only one of these listed (other than a PSA-10). Fired an offer, ACCEPTED, auto-paid. How easy is that?!

[ThoseBackPages]

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!!!!!!!

[Twalk1975]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

I hear what you are saying! I think JRod is a really good player and seems like a good person in general. I have no issues putting my hard earned money into his cardboard.

I think my biggest issue right now is reconcile buying at the top of the market during the Covid boom and being unfortunate with the Tatis Jr. and Wander fiascos. It just makes is not so fun to collect current players when things like that happen. But its a good lesson to learn.

My other issue, is that most can make money on the hobby or fiance their PC through buying and selling, which is nearly impossible for me due to the amount of hours I work. So I am a buy and hold collector (hoping the players I collect do well and appreciate in value). Seems this is nearly impossible to do in this market. Those that have bought prior to Covid have a huge advantage. And collecting is like picking individual stocks and trying to beat the market...it is nearly impossible. There are very few examples of players that have appreciated in value over the years and have maintained value after retiring.

I guess I realize what this is for me...fun money to collect and gamble. I am hoping to win a few (and not just lose). Feel like Ohtani being my #1 PC helps as I think as time goes buy he will be even more appreciated for being a unicorn/amazing.

Dude you might try setting some hard buying and selling rules for yourself. I've seen you comment that you have 600 or so so Ohtani, and now hundreds of JRod. If you can find the time to buy those, you can find the time to sell some. I try mostly to sell stuff in season, then maybe by the All Star break I start thinking about what I want to be looking for during the off season. I'm starting to think Elly we La Cruz might be for real too, but there is zero chance today is the right day to move on from JRod and start an Elly PC.

[BabaORiley]

Originally Posted by Twalk1975

Dude you might try setting some hard buying and selling rules for yourself. I've seen you comment that you have 600 or so so Ohtani, and now hundreds of JRod. If you can find the time to buy those, you can find the time to sell some. I try mostly to sell stuff in season, then maybe by the All Star break I start thinking about what I want to be looking for during the off season. I'm starting to think Elly we La Cruz might be for real too, but there is zero chance today is the right day to move on from JRod and start an Elly PC.

I think I understand Sean's collecting habits. He picks up lower end RCs/other of what will eventually (hopefully) be 1st ballot HOF players. By then, the lower end stuff will have increased in price significantly, probably not US175 type explosion but maybe what Mookie's lower-end stuff is currently doing. I realize the print runs are elevated now but the expectation is the collector base will also be significantly higher than in 2014.

If his guys hit hot streaks before then and some of their low-end explode in value, he'll be tempted to unload some, but not worth it to him to sell at a minimum gain since he's collecting mostly blue-chip guys anyway. I do think the error in his strategy is shifting to the shiny new toy instead of fortifying those blue-chip collections when the new shiny toy comes around. Buy Elly when Caminero or Spencer Jones (or whoever) is getting all the Hobby love. Right now is a pretty good time to buy Julio if you believe he's going to put up an MVP or two (and that seems pretty likely to me) in the next 4-5 seasons.

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by BabaORiley

I think I understand Sean's collecting habits. He picks up lower end RCs/other of what will eventually (hopefully) be 1st ballot HOF players. By then, the lower end stuff will have increased in price significantly, probably not US175 type explosion but maybe what Mookie's lower-end stuff is currently doing. I realize the print runs are elevated now but the expectation is the collector base will also be significantly higher than in 2014.

If his guys hit hot streaks before then and some of their low-end explode in value, he'll be tempted to unload some, but not worth it to him to sell at a minimum gain since he's collecting mostly blue-chip guys anyway. I do think the error in his strategy is shifting to the shiny new toy instead of fortifying those blue-chip collections when the new shiny toy comes around. Buy Elly when Caminero or Spencer Jones (or whoever) is getting all the Hobby love. Right now is a pretty good time to buy Julio if you believe he's going to put up an MVP or two (and that seems pretty likely to me) in the next 4-5 seasons.

You 100% get me! I do this for fun. Buying and selling is not fun to me. Luckily I have enough disposable income if all my cards go to zero I will still have a nice comfy retirement (assuming 6-8% growth in the market and real estate does not implode).

I really only buy guys I like that I think will be "hobby good" for a long time. Probably won't work out that well for me besides Ohtani.

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by Twalk1975

Dude you might try setting some hard buying and selling rules for yourself. I've seen you comment that you have 600 or so so Ohtani, and now hundreds of JRod. If you can find the time to buy those, you can find the time to sell some. I try mostly to sell stuff in season, then maybe by the All Star break I start thinking about what I want to be looking for during the off season. I'm starting to think Elly we La Cruz might be for real too, but there is zero chance today is the right day to move on from JRod and start an Elly PC.

Thanks for the advice! I am still learning the game! I 100% am not dumping my JRod cards. If I decide Elly De La Cruz is the real deal I will be buying in the off season.

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Thanks for the advice! I am still learning the game! I 100% am not dumping my JRod cards. If I decide Elly De La Cruz is the real deal I will be buying in the off season.

This is the way

It's really hard not to, but as a collector you will lose more money buying in season or during hot streaks.

[cardozo]

Originally Posted by BabaORiley

I think I understand Sean's collecting habits. He picks up lower end RCs/other of what will eventually (hopefully) be 1st ballot HOF players. By then, the lower end stuff will have increased in price significantly, probably not US175 type explosion but maybe what Mookie's lower-end stuff is currently doing. I realize the print runs are elevated now but the expectation is the collector base will also be significantly higher than in 2014.

If his guys hit hot streaks before then and some of their low-end explode in value, he'll be tempted to unload some, but not worth it to him to sell at a minimum gain since he's collecting mostly blue-chip guys anyway. I do think the error in his strategy is shifting to the shiny new toy instead of fortifying those blue-chip collections when the new shiny toy comes around. Buy Elly when Caminero or Spencer Jones (or whoever) is getting all the Hobby love. Right now is a pretty good time to buy Julio if you believe he's going to put up an MVP or two (and that seems pretty likely to me) in the next 4-5 seasons.

Jrod has yet to have an MVP worthy season and with the slow starts each season winning such an award isn’t very likely. Winning MVP in itself isn’t something most players ever will achieve and to say one or two in the next 4-5 years with a ton of competition is pretty bold to say the least.

[theredmenace]

Wake me when the 2022 Bowman Sapphire SP comes back down to earth

[JRX]

Originally Posted by cardozo

Jrod has yet to have an MVP worthy season and with the slow starts each season winning such an award isn’t very likely. Winning MVP in itself isn’t something most players ever will achieve and to say one or two in the next 4-5 years with a ton of competition is pretty bold to say the least.

He was 5th in the AL in War last year, how is that not an MVP worthy season. Once again, differences of less than 1 in WAR are meaningless. Also, there was this guy in Ohtani, perhaps you heard of him. I'm not say Julio would have won last year, but his stats were def in the conversation if not for Ohtani.

[cardozo]

Originally Posted by JRX

He was 5th in the AL in War last year, how is that not an MVP worthy season. Once again, differences of less than 1 in WAR are meaningless. Also, there was this guy in Ohtani, perhaps you heard of him. I'm not say Julio would have won last year, but his stats were def in the conversation if not for Ohtani.

Batting average, OPS, slugging, all not good enough. You need to understand that there are a ton of good players in baseball with new players debuting each year, you’re making it sound easy which it really isn’t.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by cardozo

Batting average, OPS, slugging, all not good enough. You need to understand that there are a ton of good players in baseball with new players debuting each year, you’re making it sound easy which it really isn’t.

He's put up just under 12war in his first 312 games which is under 2 full seasons. What are you smoking?

[cardozo]

Originally Posted by JRX

He's put up just under 12war in his first 312 games which is under 2 full seasons. What are you smoking?

I’ve never said he isn’t a good baseball player but MVP is a whole other level which he simply hasn’t reached yet, obviously you are entitled to have a different opinion but it might be a good idea to not translate it into denial or nativity.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by cardozo

I’ve never said he isn’t a good baseball player but MVP is a whole other level which he simply hasn’t reached yet, obviously you are entitled to have a different opinion but it might be a good idea to not translate it into denial or nativity.

He's 8th in all of baseball since he came up. In that time Judge hit 62hrs and Othani kept being Ohtani. You're acting like he's somehow failed to live up to expectations because he hasn't been THE best player in baseball, he's merely one of the 10 best.

[ThoseBackPages]

he is bitter he picked the wrong horse (LouBob) and tends to like to go into other players threads and downplay them.

i know a lot of people have done that to him, not that that is an excuse

[Boredlawyer]

Originally Posted by cardozo

I’ve never said he isn’t a good baseball player but MVP is a whole other level which he simply hasn’t reached yet, obviously you are entitled to have a different opinion but it might be a good idea to not translate it into denial or nativity.

Judging by the players you collect, I'm not sure you're a great source for baseball scouting. But keep shooting!

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by cardozo

IÂ’ve never said he isnÂ’t a good baseball player but MVP is a whole other level which he simply hasnÂ’t reached yet, obviously you are entitled to have a different opinion but it might be a good idea to not translate it into denial or nativity.

Que?

He was 4th in MVP voting in the AL last year. 7th during his rookie season.

[BabaORiley]

Originally Posted by cardozo

Jrod has yet to have an MVP worthy season and with the slow starts each season winning such an award isn’t very likely. Winning MVP in itself isn’t something most players ever will achieve and to say one or two in the next 4-5 years with a ton of competition is pretty bold to say the least.

He's won ROY, finished 7th & 4th in MVP voting and he's 23 years old all season. He was a preseason favorite for MVP and Ohtani is no longer in the AL.. Not sure it's THAT bold of a statement.

[seanrs1]

I am loving the discussion in the thread today! We need to keep this thread lively even when JRod is slumping. Its nice to hear from other JRod collectors!

[JRX]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

I am loving the discussion in the thread today! We need to keep this thread lively even when JRod is slumping. Its nice to hear from other JRod collectors!

At this point, he's only really slumping in the power department though the whole team is.

[ThoseBackPages]

i am not worried about JRod