2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[rman112]

Originally Posted by free2131

That's the fundamental difference between our thinking. If 1/10 of the population lives in California, then 1/10 of the potential Presidential vote should come from California. I'd feel the same way if 1/10 of the population lived in Mississippi.

I just think that a state like California is so vastly different from the other states, that it skews things. Also that I don't think the system will change anytime soon. And that I'm hungry, and don't want to talk about this much longer.. Lol.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

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It’s whiny when people deny or downplay foreign interference.

Can you point me to a study or government findings to all the illegals voting? Seriously, I do not recall any significant numbers or cases to your statement. I gave the findings of our government agencies.

Btw, I do support election IDs.

Shocked face on the last sentence.So why are the D's so against it?

[chezball]

Originally Posted by rman112

When you talk about the popular vote, it most definitely is whining. It's not how presidents are elected. And you're not even saying that she would've won. So what's the point?

With illegals voting, I think it's a few things. 1. I don't think the government is competent enough to identify and stop the it, especially when 2. There is pushback from states themselves. I don't have any concrete proof. But I'd be absolutely shocked if illegal voters didn't slip into the totals.

Now with the illegals getting DL, it'll be more wide spread.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by rman112

When you talk about the popular vote, it most definitely is whining. It's not how presidents are elected. And you're not even saying that she would've won. So what's the point?

With illegals voting, I think it's a few things. 1. I don't think the government is competent enough to identify and stop the it, especially when 2. There is pushback from states themselves. I don't have any concrete proof. But I'd be absolutely shocked if illegal voters didn't slip into the totals.

With all due respect, that is weak. There is no proof of illegals voting. Does it happen? Sure, there are probably instances of it but without any proof of anything, is it positive that this theory helps swing elections? It doesn't to me. If there are multiple peer-reviewed studies telling me one way or the other, I will believe that.

With Russia, there is concrete proof from many different reliable sources. How much did it affect this past election? FiveThirtyEight has a great article on this matter. Keep in mind this is from 2018. I would think that all of the evidence that has come out after this hasn't helped downplay the Russian effectiveness on having people go Team Trump.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...2016-election/

[free2131]

Originally Posted by chezball

Shocked face on the last sentence.So why are the D's so against it?

Same reason R's are so against gun restrictions. Voting is a right, not a privilege. Except with voting there is no room for interpretation. Historically any restrictions on voting were done so with the intended purpose of disenfranchising minority voting.

That said, I would be fine with government issued IDs that are available to pick up from any DMV office for free with mileage being reimbursed for those who drive.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by rman112

discostu, will you be going down as the Captain of the S.S. Bloomberg?

Hardly ever considered myself the captain of the S.S. Bloomberg, but Bloomberg being out of the race doesn't mean the ship has sunk.

He's got flaws, clearly evidenced by his poor showing in the debates. He's been blinded by data and math most of his life...and it's made him very successful.

I don't think he made the wrong play, he just collapsed on the stage. That wasn't part of that plan.

Regardless, like I said at the beginning of this thread...i still think Trump wins the Electoral College and the Dem (Biden) will win the popular vote.

It's a long way until November and a lot can change.

If Coronavirus continues to pressure the global economies...Trump is in a bad spot. Which would then mean that Pence is off the ticket.

Biden's VP choice will be key. If it's a milquetoast Tim Kaine...he'll get blown out.

It's a fun ride no matter what.

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by free2131

my vote for President as an Alabama citizen doesn't matter because my state is overwhelmingly conservative.

We got the same thing in Illinois

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by chezball

Shocked face on the last sentence.So why are the D's so against it?

That's always been my position even before I registered as a Democrat in January 2017. It just seems logical to me that only American citizens are the only ones who should be able to vote in an American election.

I do not know why generally Democrats are like that. Is it they want something back from the Republicans like easier access to voting centers? Gerrymandering issues? Free IDs? Ex-Prisoner voting rights? I don't know...

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

I absolutely do not want a handful of big cities to decide the president for the whole country.

I agree

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by chezball

Now with the illegals getting DL, it'll be more wide spread.

At first, I was opposed to illegals having DLs. The more I thought about it though is that it means they had driver education which, in theory, make them safe drivers for the roads.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by discostu

Hardly ever considered myself the captain of the S.S. Bloomberg, but Bloomberg being out of the race doesn't mean the ship has sunk.

He's got flaws, clearly evidenced by his poor showing in the debates. He's been blinded by data and math most of his life...and it's made him very successful.

I don't think he made the wrong play, he just collapsed on the stage. That wasn't part of that plan.

Regardless, like I said at the beginning of this thread...i still think Trump wins the Electoral College and the Dem (Biden) will win the popular vote.

It's a long way until November and a lot can change.

If Coronavirus continues to pressure the global economies...Trump is in a bad spot. Which would then mean that Pence is off the ticket.

Biden's VP choice will be key. If it's a milquetoast Tim Kaine...he'll get blown out.

It's a fun ride no matter what.

Hey, I just saw a Bloomberg ad on a previously recorded program. So that's something.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

With all due respect, that is weak. There is no proof of illegals voting. Does it happen? Sure, there are probably instances of it but without any proof of anything, is it positive that this theory helps swing elections? It doesn't to me. If there are multiple peer-reviewed studies telling me one way or the other, I will believe that.

With Russia, there is concrete proof from many different reliable sources. How much did it affect this past election? FiveThirtyEight has a great article on this matter. Keep in mind this is from 2018. I would think that all of the evidence that has come out after this hasn't helped downplay the Russian effectiveness on having people go Team Trump.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...2016-election/

You're saying it's weak to say that it happens, but that it happens?

My point about comparing to Russia was if Democrats push back on everything Trump says/does, they can't complain when he stonewalls them on things they want.

I don't think Russia elected Trump.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

I absolutely do not want a handful of big cities to decide the president for the whole country.

I never understood that reasoning at all. Are urban people not worth as much as suburban/rural people? Generally speaking, many of the larger in population cities are in states that basically give state welfare to the smaller in population states. I think it is New York who pays something like $1.35 in federal tax to get back $1. Places like Kentucky, on the other hand, pays $.80 in federal to get back $1 (don't quote me on the exact numbers). Why shouldn't they [urban] have an equal say?

Just seems antiquated like parts of the 2nd Amendment.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by rman112

You're saying it's weak to say that it happens, but that it happens?

My point about comparing to Russia was if Democrats push back on everything Trump says/does, they can't complain when he stonewalls them on things they want.

I don't think Russia elected Trump.

His point is that people who point out this massive staph infection on a person's leg are met with, "Well, yeah, but about this splinter in his toe."

[silverandblack]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

At first, I was opposed to illegals having DLs. The more I thought about it though is that it means they had driver education which, in theory, make them safe drivers for the roads.

Yeah except they are driving with no insurance.

[trixstar]

It's nice to see people arguing about the same dumb sh*t in here lol

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by free2131

Same reason R's are so against gun restrictions. Voting is a right, not a privilege. Except with voting there is no room for interpretation. Historically any restrictions on voting were done so with the intended purpose of disenfranchising minority voting.

That said, I would be fine with government issued IDs that are available to pick up from any DMV office for free with mileage being reimbursed for those who drive.

Second Amendment is a right as well as voting.
I’m all for having to pass background checks, making sure you are mentally competent, a 3 day waiting period and suspended voting rights if a hospital seems you mentally unfit.

I mean, that’s how you want to regulate rights....right?

Or is disenfranchisement only applicable when it’s disenfranchising certain rights.

I suggest you look at the history of gun control and disenfranchising the black community.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by free2131

His point is that people who point out this massive staph infection on a person's leg are met with, "Well, yeah, but about this splinter in his toe."

We have zero way of knowing how Russia affected us. It just all gets tiring. I've heard Russia attached to 3 Democrat candidates already this year.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by rman112

You're saying it's weak to say that it happens, but that it happens?

My point about comparing to Russia was if Democrats push back on everything Trump says/does, they can't complain when he stonewalls them on things they want.

I don't think Russia elected Trump.

"probably instances"

Nothing that hasn't been studied in depth cannot be absolutely denied so I wrote "probably instances". By the fact that we cannot find anything concrete that illegals vote in mass quantities in elections says a lot.

Russia didn't elect Trump. Between Hillary's poor favorability ratings and people believing everything they read, it definitely swung the pendulum just enough to get Don elected. Read the report that was put out. It is pretty stunning and, quite frankly, brilliant to carry out an operation like Russia did.

One last point I want to make....

Russia is not our friend. Russia does not have our best interest in mind. Russia does not care about us. From what I gather, Putin is a brilliant spy mind trained by the KBG. With that said, why would they put out so much anti-Clinton propaganda? Why did Russia want Trump as POTUS? Was it for business dealings with Trump? Was it because Clinton as Secretary of State was too tough with Putin and his buddies? Was it because Putin knew that Trump is a useful idiot? Was it that Putin knew Trump doesn't care about America but only himself?

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by silverandblack

Yeah except they are driving with no insurance.

I know.

That's not good but at least they have driver education to at least be able to recognize signs and basic driving techniques. Right???

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

I never understood that reasoning at all. Are urban people not worth as much as suburban/rural people? Generally speaking, many of the larger in population cities are in states that basically give state welfare to the smaller in population states. I think it is New York who pays something like $1.35 in federal tax to get back $1. Places like Kentucky, on the other hand, pays $.80 in federal to get back $1 (don't quote me on the exact numbers). Why shouldn't they [urban] have an equal say?

Just seems antiquated like parts of the 2nd Amendment.

Electoral college is there for a reason.

[Astros19]

The "my vote doesn't count" line is so lame.
Your vote counted, your candidate just didnt have enough of them.
If you don't like that you do have options. How about campaigning more for your candidate? Convince your fellow citizens your candidate is the better candidate.
Going with the "my vote didn't count" attitude really means that none of the votes the losing candidate recieved counted, and thats just silly.
What one shouldn't do is try to change the rules which have worked for hundreds of years in our country.
It makes you look petty, selfish and like a sore loser.

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[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by rman112

We have zero way of knowing how Russia affected us. It just all gets tiring. I've heard Russia attached to 3 Democrat candidates already this year.

What's tiring is the lack of caring. We were basically attacked. People do not feel like it was an act of aggression because no one died but we were attacked by a foreign government. I would never support any candidate who accepts foreign help in an election. That is not okay. I am not a fan of Bernie but he said to Russia to not meddle in this election for or against him. That is respectable but also sad at the same time where a candidate has to publicly state that. Imagine Reagan having to say something similar?

There are no denying the facts in terms of this. It is real and still an issue.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

"probably instances"

Nothing that hasn't been studied in depth cannot be absolutely denied so I wrote "probably instances". By the fact that we cannot find anything concrete that illegals vote in mass quantities in elections says a lot.

Russia didn't elect Trump. Between Hillary's poor favorability ratings and people believing everything they read, it definitely swung the pendulum just enough to get Don elected. Read the report that was put out. It is pretty stunning and, quite frankly, brilliant to carry out an operation like Russia did.

One last point I want to make....

Russia is not our friend. Russia does not have our best interest in mind. Russia does not care about us. From what I gather, Putin is a brilliant spy mind trained by the KBG. With that said, why would they put out so much anti-Clinton propaganda? Why did Russia want Trump as POTUS? Was it for business dealings with Trump? Was it because Clinton as Secretary of State was too tough with Putin and his buddies? Was it because Putin knew that Trump is a useful idiot? Was it that Putin knew Trump doesn't care about America but only himself?

So are you saying Clinton would be President if it wasn't for Russia, or no?

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

I know.

That's not good but at least they have driver education to at least be able to recognize signs and basic driving techniques. Right???

We should offer gun safety courses to mass shooters so they are safer too right. Give me a break.