WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by thenightman

How, exactly, should HHH have used Lashley over the last year? Who are you demoting from the Main Event in favor of Lashley? What feud are you not starting in favor of Lashley?

Lashley is fine, I really like the Street Profits, I thought the initial heel turn was a great idea. I'm still not sure why they panicked so quickly back to babyfaces, but I think that hurt the group more than anything.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by thenightman

How, exactly, should HHH have used Lashley over the last year? Who are you demoting from the Main Event in favor of Lashley? What feud are you not starting in favor of Lashley?

Final Testament. Most of the Alpha Academy. The Creed Brothers haven't done anything until last week.

Lashley easily could have been entered into the KotR tourney. He easily could have been put back into the Intercontinental title picture. Or been a perfect Bron opponent. Or maybe don't bring Braun Stroman back.

Or pretty much anyone on the Smackdown roster at the time. He would have been a US Champ than Logan Paul. Lashley and MVP is a better team than Pretty Deadly or Anderson and Gallows.

[JustinVerlander07]

Not buying Gunther as a credible World Champion. He's lost a lot of momentum since Wrestlemania too.

[Jericho]

Im one of the biggest Lashley fans that you'll find and I definitely think they've underutilized him greatly. One of the biggest problems was the Bloodline Storyline. Roman didnt need BOTH titles, because that took away something for someone like Bobby to go after. Even now they could have had him on RAW going after Seth when he was champion and Priest now, But they kept him on SD for some reason.

He was scheduled to face Bray at Mania, which even if it happened would not have been good. Would they have had Bobby act scared of all that Wyatt crap?

And putting him with the Street Profits was meaningless since they made the Profits jobbers pretty much as soon as they went with Bobby. And then the ultimate death blow, they had a LONG feud with the 3 most boring guys on the roster, Kross and the AOP, I know HHH loves them but Kross & AOP are people no one would miss if they were released.

All in all TNA booked Bobby better than WWE.

[whitmm]

What a stupid ending to the Bron/Ilja match.

[packman80]

Got to meet Otis and Strowman today were hanging around for 5-10 minutes in the Packers Atrium and almost no one noticed them. Only me and another guy noticed them and got pics.

[JustinVerlander07]

Say you want about the Wyatt Sicks but every live crowd has been really into them so far. Interested to see how a (likely) Howdy/Gable match at SummerSlam looks.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Say you want about the Wyatt Sicks but every live crowd has been really into them so far. Interested to see how a (likely) Howdy/Gable match at SummerSlam looks.

I am thinking Gable and Creed's vs Wyatt Sick Howdy and whatever two you want to pick from the other 3.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Final Testament. Most of the Alpha Academy. The Creed Brothers haven't done anything until last week.

Lashley easily could have been entered into the KotR tourney. He easily could have been put back into the Intercontinental title picture. Or been a perfect Bron opponent. Or maybe don't bring Braun Stroman back.

Or pretty much anyone on the Smackdown roster at the time. He would have been a US Champ than Logan Paul. Lashley and MVP is a better team than Pretty Deadly or Anderson and Gallows.

So, have him feud with Sami or Logan Paul?So, in your opinion they should have used Lashley over Chad Gable, Bron, Ilja, LA Knight, and Logan Paul? You do understand why they pushed them over Lashley, right?

[JustinVerlander07]

I am SO invested in the Dom/Rhea/Live story.

No doubt it's gonna be one of the best matches for SummerSlam.

[thenightman]

Oh, man, when Dom turns on Rhea now it’s going to be nuclear.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by thenightman

Oh, man, when Dom turns on Rhea now it’s going to be nuclear.

Seeds definitely planted now.

I've never been a big Liv Morgan fan but she's been great in this role being 'delusional' in love with Dom.

I'm interested to see where it goes because it doesn't quite feel like it has longterm legs but will be good while feuding with Rhea.

[packman80]

Only thing I can see if Lashley joins AEW they make him act like he forms Hurt Business with them recuriting Swerve for him to reject them and then Lashley and him have a program. Question is does Lashley win or just lose and then his run in AEW is shot.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by thenightman

So, have him feud with Sami or Logan Paul?So, in your opinion they should have used Lashley over Chad Gable, Bron, Ilja, LA Knight, and Logan Paul? You do understand why they pushed them over Lashley, right?

You asked me who they should have used Lashley over, I gave you a list. HHH screwed the pooch when he turned Lashley Babyface.

Read the list, I didn't say they should have used him over Chad, I said most of the Alpha Academy. Tozawa shouldn't be main roster, Otis is whatever. I didn't say Lashley over Bron, I said he would have been a great opponent for him.

I never mentioned Ilja, he easily could have stayed in just his matches with Ricochet. But we are also talking about the last year. Bron and Ilja just got to the main roster.

And 100% yes Lashley over Logan Paul. Paul has defended the belt like twice since he got won it.

Again, don't give me that crap about Lashley wasn't able to get over and that's why they are letting him walk. Because the Wyatt Sicks is a faction made entirely of wrestlers that couldn't get over. 1000% Bobby Lashley should have been getting the screen time that Karrion Kross has been given.

Weird how you ignored most of the names I actually said. Go ahead, defend how great groups like Pretty Deadly and Gallows and Anderson are that they deserved TV time over Lashley. Just say you don't like Lashley, but don't sit here and act like everyone on the roster deserved TV time and matches over him.

[whitmm]

6 team #1 qualifier tag match on Smackdown coming up. There's 4 teams that the Hurt Business could have easily replaced.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by whitmm

6 team #1 qualifier tag match on Smackdown coming up. There's 4 teams that the Hurt Business could have easily replaced.

Give it up.

Shelton/Cedric aren't worth trying to do what you're doing and if you're talking about MVP he wasn't even Wrestling for the past 4 years.

[JustinVerlander07]

Feels like Sami/Jey tagging could be a way to more naturally get Sami into War Games eventually since the relationship is still there.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Give it up.

Shelton/Cedric aren't worth trying to do what you're doing and if you're talking about MVP he wasn't even Wrestling for the past 4 years.

No. HHH absolutely fumbled Lashley. There was plenty of fan demand to get the faction back together, even as a mid-card. And carrying the company through the COVID years absolutely is enough let Lashley and MVP run with it again, like they asked. There was talk of using MVP as a producer or an announcer, but you aren't open to him being in a manager role again? GTFOH

Should we talk about the feuds Bobby had since HHH took over in 2022? Omos? Yeah, that was really going to give Bobby a push. What about Theory? Theory at the time was "Vince's guy." Yeah, great push there. Losing to Rollins. Losing to Brock. Losing to Styles. Losing to LWO. And beating Final Testament. Winning three feuds to guys that did nothing to help get him over and a bunch of getting others over.

[BQAD916]

Originally Posted by whitmm

No. HHH absolutely fumbled Lashley. There was plenty of fan demand to get the faction back together, even as a mid-card. And carrying the company through the COVID years absolutely is enough let Lashley and MVP run with it again, like they asked. There was talk of using MVP as a producer or an announcer, but you aren't open to him being in a manager role again? GTFOH

Should we talk about the feuds Bobby had since HHH took over in 2022? Omos? Yeah, that was really going to give Bobby a push. What about Theory? Theory at the time was "Vince's guy." Yeah, great push there. Losing to Rollins. Losing to Brock. Losing to Styles. Losing to LWO. And beating Final Testament. Winning three feuds to guys that did nothing to help get him over and a bunch of getting others over.

Perhaps take a break from watching wrestling. All I see you do is bitch, moan and complain about it.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by BQAD916

Perhaps take a break from watching wrestling. All I see you do is bitch, moan and complain about it.

Great input from someone whose only comments on the forums have been ripping AEW. STFU

Imagine watching wrestling and lurking here for 15 years and the event that made you decide to create an account to announce was...checks notes... Cameron Grimes being released. And you didn't even have an opinion with it.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by whitmm

No. HHH absolutely fumbled Lashley. There was plenty of fan demand to get the faction back together, even as a mid-card. And carrying the company through the COVID years absolutely is enough let Lashley and MVP run with it again, like they asked. There was talk of using MVP as a producer or an announcer, but you aren't open to him being in a manager role again? GTFOH

Should we talk about the feuds Bobby had since HHH took over in 2022? Omos? Yeah, that was really going to give Bobby a push. What about Theory? Theory at the time was "Vince's guy." Yeah, great push there. Losing to Rollins. Losing to Brock. Losing to Styles. Losing to LWO. And beating Final Testament. Winning three feuds to guys that did nothing to help get him over and a bunch of getting others over.

Do you need ritalin to stay on a topic? Tag team wrestling is what you were talking about. MVP was no longer a wrestler, and Cedric/Shelton were duds so you clearly are just off your rocker.

Take a break from the internet or at least try and keep on a topic for longer than 10 seconds.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Do you need ritalin to stay on a topic? Tag team wrestling is what you were talking about. MVP was no longer a wrestler, and Cedric/Shelton were duds so you clearly are just off your rocker.

Take a break from the internet or at least try and keep on a topic for longer than 10 seconds.

Weird, why did MVP just recently post a picture of his boots with a caption of "Dusted these off" and then respond to a comment about hanging them up with "because they are NOT?" Sounds like you are wrong about MVP no longer being a wrestler.

I've been talking about the Hurt Business and how HHH didn't want to listen to Lashley and MVP. Lashley's best run in the WWE was the Hurt Business. So, talking about what feuds HHH had Lashley be in, instead of reforming HB, is 100% relevant to the conversation. Sure, maybe Lashley wasn't great on the mic at times. Neither was Brock. Neither was Roman until recently. That's literally why you have MVP there with him.

If you're going to pull that line, don't you ever say a positive word about the Wyatt Sicks again. That's a group full of duds, therefore, it never should have been put together, according to your logic.

I've seen your comments, you sit here and pull the "well that was before HHH" BS all the time. Go look at the wrestling message boards. Putting the Hurt Business back together has had a decent amount of steam behind it from the fans. So, a faction the fans want plus the HHH era writing should equal something decent.

Again, you have groups like The Final Testament, The OC, Pretty Deadly, Tozawa/Otis, and now Crews/Corbin being run out there on a regular basis. Sorry, but the Hurt Business faction as good or better than all of them.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Weird, why did MVP just recently post a picture of his boots with a caption of "Dusted these off" and then respond to a comment about hanging them up with "because they are NOT?" Sounds like you are wrong about MVP no longer being a wrestler.

I've been talking about the Hurt Business and how HHH didn't want to listen to Lashley and MVP. Lashley's best run in the WWE was the Hurt Business. So, talking about what feuds HHH had Lashley be in, instead of reforming HB, is 100% relevant to the conversation. Sure, maybe Lashley wasn't great on the mic at times. Neither was Brock. Neither was Roman until recently. That's literally why you have MVP there with him.

If you're going to pull that line, don't you ever say a positive word about the Wyatt Sicks again. That's a group full of duds, therefore, it never should have been put together, according to your logic.

I've seen your comments, you sit here and pull the "well that was before HHH" BS all the time. Go look at the wrestling message boards. Putting the Hurt Business back together has had a decent amount of steam behind it from the fans. So, a faction the fans want plus the HHH era writing should equal something decent.

Again, you have groups like The Final Testament, The OC, Pretty Deadly, Tozawa/Otis, and now Crews/Corbin being run out there on a regular basis. Sorry, but the Hurt Business faction as good or better than all of them.

I've seen the boards and twitter, there isn't that much groundswell for the group. They sucked besides Bobby. 3 guys who all need MVP talking for them. Shelton's best days long behind him and Cedric is the definition of meh. Just because there are some bad groups like TFT out there doesn't mean we needed more. Also the OC is almost never on TV and Pretty Deadly really isn't on much either, so weird flex.

Also, had the Wyatt Sicks been put togerher once and been pretty meh, I'd say the same thing I'm saying now about the Hurt Business, but that isn't the case. Also you sitting here saying people don't like Bobby when I've already openly said I liked the pairing with the Street Profits.

Bobby is fine, he had a good run, he won the title, he beat Brock. He's 47 now and I'm not sure he offers more than AJ Styles who is the same age and hasn't been in a great position overall for a while either. It happens. Move on.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by whitmm

You asked me who they should have used Lashley over, I gave you a list. HHH screwed the pooch when he turned Lashley Babyface.

Read the list, I didn't say they should have used him over Chad, I said most of the Alpha Academy. Tozawa shouldn't be main roster, Otis is whatever. I didn't say Lashley over Bron, I said he would have been a great opponent for him.

I never mentioned Ilja, he easily could have stayed in just his matches with Ricochet. But we are also talking about the last year. Bron and Ilja just got to the main roster.

And 100% yes Lashley over Logan Paul. Paul has defended the belt like twice since he got won it.

Again, don't give me that crap about Lashley wasn't able to get over and that's why they are letting him walk. Because the Wyatt Sicks is a faction made entirely of wrestlers that couldn't get over. 1000% Bobby Lashley should have been getting the screen time that Karrion Kross has been given.

Weird how you ignored most of the names I actually said. Go ahead, defend how great groups like Pretty Deadly and Gallows and Anderson are that they deserved TV time over Lashley. Just say you don't like Lashley, but don't sit here and act like everyone on the roster deserved TV time and matches over him.

I liked Lashley, but I wasn't watching Raw or Smackdown each week wondering, "Where's Lashley?", because everything they're doing from the mid-card and up has been good. Could they have had Lashley feud with Logan Paul at some point in the last few months? Sure, but at the same time we don't even know whether it was WWE's decision or Lashley's decision to leave.

I saw the names. I didn't think they were worth responding to. Are you telling me you'd be perfectly fine if Lashley was leaving, but over the last 6 months he was in the same position as Pretty Deadly or Gallows and Anderson? PD gets an occasional match or backstage vignette and G&A are over on NXT.

Could he have had the Strowman role? Sure. Have him feud with JD and lose to Priest. Okay, you got one there. Strowman just came back, though, so if you're having Lashley in the Strowman role, what are you having Strowman do if he's not feuding with JD?

Karrion Kross is a heel. The last time we saw Lashley he was a face. No, Lashley shouldn't be getting Kross' screen time (which is also limited) because they're in different roles.

By saying that Lashley should have been used over Pretty Deadly, Gallows and Anderson, and Karrion Kross, are you saying that WWE should have used Lashley as a low midcarder? Cause that's what they are.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Give it up.

Shelton/Cedric aren't worth trying to do what you're doing and if you're talking about MVP he wasn't even Wrestling for the past 4 years.

I like, so far, what they're doing with Cedric on NXT, working with Adonis. I see some potential there.