The Official NBA Regular Season Thread—-21/22 Edition

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by rats60

BPM is a terrible metric to rely on. It is based on 5 players. Green is #1 in DWS and DRating. Poole is 13/18. If you don't think they are a major part of Curry's BPM and GSW success, you really don't know much about basketball.

What about Curry’s defense? Tell me more…

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

What about Curry’s defense? Tell me more…

Kerr benched him the other night at the end of a tight game for a defensive stand.

[PKIPP]

Originally Posted by tjforce

In case anyone missed it, there was a game today already.... Houston beat Detroit!

My god Detroit is bad. And if you look up the phrase "Empty Stats" you'll see a picture of Cade Cunningham... Which should get Panini excited for this year's releases (whenever they happen). Can't wait for investors to start to fade LaMelo the way they've faded Luka once something shiny and new comes out.

Pistons suck. Yeah..

Not sure what you meant by the Cade empty stats thing. Is any player on a bad team just “empty stats”?

Guy is a rookie on the worst roster in the league. He was awful his first 4 or so games and has played very well since. He’s improved steady every couple of games since his debut. He looks to get others involved and not score first. Had 11 assists today. To do that with this roster is amazing (esp minus grant). His overall FG% looks bad but again that’s because of the first handful of games were just awful. His % over the past 10–15 games are much better. I understand you can’t just throw out the first handful of games, but context does matter.

I just don’t know how anyone could actually watch Cade play and think he’s “empty stats” as if he’s some Monta Ellis kind of player who’s only putting up the stats bc someone has to, not to mention it’s a 20 year old kid. He would be putting up even better numbers on a team with more talent. He has the capability on offense to perform better than any of the other rookies can (and he’s showing it) and is a decent defender. Not sure what more could be expected from a 20 year old rookie on one of the worst nba rosters in recent memory.


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[Nomad]

Problem is no one is watching enough Pistons games to figure that out... but I take the challenge. Homework.

[drobfan8]

I have to agree that Curry is a good defender now.

Gone are the days where you can send a player in to help defense with guys like Mutombo, Hakeem and D. Rob waiting at the rim for you. It's certainly not Draymond.

GS have their rotations down though. Kerr has stolen (well it's just good coaching) a lot of their principles from the Spurs but also made GS probably the most dangerous team in transition almost of all time.

GS get enough stops and they'll light you up.

The funny thing is that this Dubs team is pretty similar to last season, they just have a better understanding of their own principles. It's great to see.

Last season everyone bar Curry was called trash, now they're elite? There's some growth for sure. But Curry's leadership needs some credit also.

So wholesome to watch.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Kerr benched him the other night at the end of a tight game for a defensive stand.

For reals? I was trying to dunk on rats, but then you had to come in with the rejection.

From what I’ve seen, he’s been legit very good defensively this season. Like surprisingly good. I never expected him to become a solid man up defender, but he’s pulled it off, and it’s more noticeable this season.

Going back a few posts, I also agree with your point that Curry isn’t Jordan/Kawhi/Lebron. He’s not going to single handedly control a game that way, but you can build a system around him that’s as good as any because of what he brings with and without the ball.

[oldgoldy97]

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

For reals? I was trying to dunk on rats, but then you had to come in with the rejection.

From what I’ve seen, he’s been legit very good defensively this season. Like surprisingly good. I never expected him to become a solid man up defender, but he’s pulled it off, and it’s more noticeable this season.

Going back a few posts, I also agree with your point that Curry isn’t Jordan/Kawhi/Lebron. He’s not going to single handedly control a game that way, but you can build a system around him that’s as good as any because of what he brings with and without the ball.

I don't think being subbed out for a possession is a big deal.

Pop used to take Tim Duncan out late for defensive purposes for switching screens etc. And TD was an all time great defender.

It's match up based.

Same with scoring. Teams put 3 point shooters in over other scorers.

It doesn't mean they're trash.

Also, listening to pingbling talk basketball will rot your brain

[drobfan8]

AD out a month. Damn.

Sure he hasn't been shooting well but his defending has been really good.

It shouldn't be hard for the Lakers to overtake Memphis and the Clippers.

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

AD out a month. Damn.

Sure he hasn't been shooting well but his defending has been really good.

It shouldn't be hard for the Lakers to overtake Memphis and the Clippers.

He's shooting bad from outside, but still at 52% overall on the year. That's still pretty good.

[bulljh]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Kerr benched him the other night at the end of a tight game for a defensive stand.

He was subbed out because he had 5 fouls and Kerr didn’t want him getting his 6th playing defense…ended up getting the sixth on the charge.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

He's shooting bad from outside, but still at 52% overall on the year. That's still pretty good.

Thanks for restating what I said..

Clearly I said shooting.

I have him in both fantasy leagues I'm in. I know how good he's still been.

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Thanks for restating what I said..

Clearly I said shooting.

I have him in both fantasy leagues I'm in. I know how good he's still been.

Lol I was mainly just pointing out that he hasn't been as bad as what some Blowout experts have said all year. Wasn't referring to you

[Dame]

Not going to happen with how deep Klutch is with the Lakers org but I’d sell high and trade AD next summer.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Dame

Not going to happen with how deep Klutch is with the Lakers org but I’d sell high and trade AD next summer.

Doesn’t that essentially mean they’re throwing in the towel?

[jcardstore]

As good as Mobley has been Scottie Barnes gets my ROY vote. Dude is awesome

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

Lol I was mainly just pointing out that he hasn't been as bad as what some Blowout experts have said all year. Wasn't referring to you

Ah right, you were coming for someone else.

AD has been great for my team. Always gonna be tricky for him to shine with Bron and WB making all the decisions.

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Ah right, you were coming for someone else.

AD has been great for my team. Always gonna be tricky for him to shine with Bron and WB making all the decisions.

Agreed.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Again, players can be average and still play well within a system.

The warriors are +317 with Curry on the court and +12 with him off. So are we really gonna pretend they’re THAT good without him?

Even I can do the math they’re 305 points better with him on. I challenge anyone to find another player with a +300 point impact

+12 is the definition of average. So yes the players around him are all average (besides Draymond)

What does Curry's +/- have to do with how good the rest of the team is? The Warriors are 4-2 in games in which Curry didn't play or had a negative +/-. Not bad. The Warriors without Curry on the court have had a positive or neutral +/- in 15 of 29 games. Again, not bad.

And even though you think you can do the math, you're neglecting that Curry has been on the court 2.2x more than he has been off. Standardize by per 100 possessions, and you can see they are better than just average. But if we're really going to roll with nobody on the Warriors being better than average outside of Curry and Green, there's no chance in hell they win the title.

[Dame]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Doesn’t that essentially mean they’re throwing in the towel?

I think it’s just frustrations on my part. AD hasn’t been the same since the bubble. Always dealing with nagging injuries and hasn’t blossomed to an MVP caliber player we all thought he should be. Pelicans AD was such a monster, we got that in 2019. For some reason, he decided to chill in the offseason after the Bubble tournament and came back out of shape the following year, smh. I just have this uneasy feeling that he’s comfortable at playing #2 which might be acceptable if LBJ isn’t at the tail end of his career.


So, it would never happen since the Lakers always want a marquee, established Superstar player rather than rebuild but I’d personally like to start fresh and develop some younger talents through draft and perhaps trades.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by PKIPP

Pistons suck. Yeah..

Not sure what you meant by the Cade empty stats thing. Is any player on a bad team just “empty stats”?

Guy is a rookie on the worst roster in the league. He was awful his first 4 or so games and has played very well since. He’s improved steady every couple of games since his debut. He looks to get others involved and not score first. Had 11 assists today. To do that with this roster is amazing (esp minus grant). His overall FG% looks bad but again that’s because of the first handful of games were just awful. His % over the past 10–15 games are much better. I understand you can’t just throw out the first handful of games, but context does matter.

I just don’t know how anyone could actually watch Cade play and think he’s “empty stats” as if he’s some Monta Ellis kind of player who’s only putting up the stats bc someone has to, not to mention it’s a 20 year old kid. He would be putting up even better numbers on a team with more talent. He has the capability on offense to perform better than any of the other rookies can (and he’s showing it) and is a decent defender. Not sure what more could be expected from a 20 year old rookie on one of the worst nba rosters in recent memory.


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Originally Posted by Dame

I think it’s just frustrations on my part. AD hasn’t been the same since the bubble. Always dealing with nagging injuries and hasn’t blossomed to an MVP caliber player we all thought he should be. Pelicans AD was such a monster, we got that in 2019. For some reason, he decided to chill in the offseason after the Bubble tournament and came back out of shape the following year, smh. I just have this uneasy feeling that he’s comfortable at playing #2 which might be acceptable if LBJ isn’t at the tail end of his career.


So, it would never happen since the Lakers always want a marquee, established Superstar player rather than rebuild but I’d personally like to start fresh and develop some younger talents through draft and perhaps trades.

It's amazing... after the bubble I would have put AD and Giannis neck and neck. Now Giannis seems to be miles ahead.

[Dame]

Originally Posted by tjforce

It's amazing... after the bubble I would have put AD and Giannis neck and neck. Now Giannis seems to be miles ahead.

Both Top 5 talent. Difference is their dedication to the game.

Giannis worked on his game after winning a title.

AD lived that LA Lifestyle post championship.

[drobfan8]

AD loving being put in the Scottie Pippen role. Let's hope he doesn't b*tch and moan about it via a book in 20 years time.

[drobfan8]

Meanwhile Giddey is gonna get a trip dub here surely.

[oshmeehan]

LOL Robin Lopez with 22 FG attempts so far tonight