2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[jdandns]

Thanks for confirming (sort of) that these are hacker thieves targeting Democrats solely to benefit Putin. I say sort of, as this is an article written by someone who won't even use their real name while celebrating something that should disgust all Americans.

That's Timmay for ya...

[Timmay]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Thanks for confirming (sort of) that these are hacker thieves targeting Democrats solely to benefit Putin. I say sort of, as this is an article written by someone who won't even use their real name while celebrating something that should disgust all Americans.

That's Timmay for ya...

Yw, just to be sure everyone has the facts.

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by jdandns

It has everything to do with it. These are foreign actors looking to influence our elections to benefit their country's dictator, Vladimir Putin.

Nixon, in your example, had already been re-elected, and the actions of Woodward and Bernstein were not of direct benefit to Leonid Brezhnev, leader of the USSR at the time.

And no, you should not assume I was referring to confidential informants, but rather specifically to these ignoble hackers who are paid thieves, and nothing more. What you seem to be celebrating here would be no different than if I broke into people homes, stole their mail, and dumped it into the street for all to see. Not only did the hackers break the law, but technically, so is everyone else reading other people's stolen mail. Me, personally, if I found a cache of stolen mail, I'd return it to the post office, unopened and unread.

If these foreign actors were interested in exposing corruption, as you seem to think, then why are they only targeting the DNC and Democratic politicians? Are you of the belief that only that side has ever done anything corrupt? Odd, considering you're the one who brought up Nixon. Maybe you are backing Trump after all, given that set of standards.

Finally, people changing positions is not an automatic negative. Indeed, it is often necessary when new information comes into play. Here's your chance:
Vote Hillary. Ultimately, you'll be glad you did.

You're completely delusional if you think that I will even consider voting for Trump or Hillary. They're both crooked wastes of space.

What do you think CI's are? Noble actors? Your comparison of finding mail is absurd. It's done all the time. PI's, "investigative reporters", etc. They all dig for private info in the mail/trash/front porch, etc.

You continually accuse me of being pro Trump, but multiple times in this thread, I've said I'd LOVE to see someone release Trumps tax returns. I think it would be hilarious to see what he most likely does to avoid paying his fair share of taxes.

People changing positions is good? Sure. People changing positions strictly to enhance their political position? Despicable. I don't for a second believe Hillary is anti-war. I don't believe she gives a damn about gay rights. I don't believe she wants to do anything about crony capitalism. Be glad I voted for Hillary? Pfft. No thanks. How many New Yorkers are happy they put Hillary into the Senate???

I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012. I'll be doing it again in 2016.

[oldgoldy97]

Vote Trump for change and hope he doesn't start WWIII.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

I don't for a second believe Hillary is anti-war. I don't believe she gives a damn about gay rights. I don't believe she wants to do anything about crony capitalism. Be glad I voted for Hillary? Pfft. No thanks. How many New Yorkers are happy they put Hillary into the Senate???

I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012. I'll be doing it again in 2016.

I stand by my analogy. Besides that, I don't expect you to vote for Clinton on my say-so, and was kidding when I accused you of supporting Trump this most recent time after having apologized to you for doing it before.

That said, I do think Hillary is anti-war and that she does cares about gay rights. Even if she isn't and doesn't, her coalition is and does, and she won't win re-election without their support. The biggest mistake their opponents make is thinking Democrats vote for a specific person for President. They are looking for holders of Progressives ideas in tandem with an ability to slog through the gridlock to get them done. This is why Hillary won the primary over Bernie. He was good on the first part (better than Hillary probably), but untested on the second part, and so he couldn't be risked, especially going against the constant obstructionism Obama himself has only been able to partially overcome.

Johnson's right on some things, but very wrong on others, and in any event, does not have popular support to get elected, let alone to be able enact any of his more radical agenda, if he could somehow win.

With that in mind, voting for Johnson is essentially a vote for chaos, and therefore a vote for Trump. What are you, some kind of secret Trump supporter?
(kidding, again.)

[corndog]

I would like to have a group of doctors from both sides of the aisle take a look at Clinton's medical records. Something is wrong with her and there is a lot of medical speculation (just from public observations) that she is exhibiting symptoms of Parkinsons Disease.

Trump's issues are oral.

[BoxBreaker72]

Originally Posted by Addison

Simple.

Old folks votes. Young/politically active people attend rallies.

Compare a Sanders rally to a Clinton rally.

Based on rally attendance, Sanders should of won in a landslide. There is little correlation between rally size and poll numbers.

Funny... The word is nothing but old white men love Trump, yet they fill arenas.

Sanders was conspired against with some of the most despicable stuff I have ever seen. It's amazing that anyone would even support that party right now.

I am an independent. I have voted both ways since 2004. I can not see a logical reason to vote for Clinton over ANYONE. Trump needs to shut his mouth and focus but he's light years ahead of her.

Secure the border in this time of terrorism. Also keeps the drugs out.. I have yet to see one good argument to keep the border wide open other than "but it's mean to build a wall!".

She is bought and paid for. She is running left or right based on the room she's in. She also never faces questions... Only coming out every 30 days to take pre accepted questions.

Her handling of classified information alone should disqualify her in my eyes. Not safe enough.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

Funny... The word is nothing but old white men love Trump, yet they fill arenas.

Sanders was conspired against with some of the most despicable stuff I have ever seen. It's amazing that anyone would even support that party right now.

I am an independent. I have voted both ways since 2004. I can not see a logical reason to vote for Clinton over ANYONE. Trump needs to shut his mouth and focus but he's light years ahead of her.

Secure the border in this time of terrorism. Also keeps the drugs out.. I have yet to see one good argument to keep the border wide open other than "but it's mean to build a wall!".

She is bought and paid for. She is running left or right based on the room she's in. She also never faces questions... Only coming out every 30 days to take pre accepted questions.

Her handling of classified information alone should disqualify her in my eyes. Not safe enough.

It's good to have a fresh opinion join the show.

[jarrodsalas]

Speaking of a border wall...

18 foot high.

That's racist!!!!

Border Patrol erecting new fence in unwalled New Mexico area | Fox News

We are currently spending hundreds of millions on protecting the border but people take offense to Trumps plan to build a legitimate stronghold. Freaking morons.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by Timmay

"Russian" Hacker Guccifer 2.0 Publishes Complete Personal Information Of All Congressional Democrats | Zero Hedge

Actually no one knows who he is. He can be Candian for all we know. Clinton campaign was pushing for him to be Russian Intelligence, but they don't know the truth. Last time I read an article FBI could not confirm it was a Russian.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

It's good to have a fresh opinion join the show.

It's the same ol' opinion that has Trump where he is now.
Please proceed...

And as for his jam-packed rallies, people in attendance like to see Trump in person mos'ly acause they sawed him up on the teevee on that one show.

Face it, people don't go to monster truck shows to see them NOT crash.
In that regard, you can always count on Trump to deliver.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

We are currently spending hundreds of millions on protecting the border but people take offense to Trumps plan to build a legitimate stronghold. Freaking morons.

Trump's wall isn't offensive. It's impractical.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/09/

That said, as long as Texas is on the other side of it, where it belongs, I'll gladly volunteer a Saturday or two to help out in the building of it. That'll save on costs, although I do hope we'd at least be provided sandwiches and cold water.

[Timmay]

Originally Posted by jdandns

It's the same ol' opinion that has Trump where he is now.
Please proceed...

And as for his jam-packed rallies, people in attendance like to see Trump in person mos'ly acause they sawed him up on the teevee on that one show.

Face it, people don't go to monster truck shows to see them NOT crash.
In that regard, you can always count on Trump to deliver.

And you've given "the same ol' opinion" 325 times in this thread. What's your point?

[Panthersfans]

Originally Posted by trixstar

You were saying...

Donald Trump Tells Connecticut Audience: “I Might Lie to You” In Rambling Rally Speech | Showbiz411

So that just kinda further proves my point. That one campaign statement by Trump involves more truth than Hillary's entire campaign . Trump admits he may tell a lie or two, Hillary's caught red handed lying to the American people and still denies it. She's a crook, the pinnacle of the Washington elite, and again has clearly stated she will change nothing. I will take my chances with Trump.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Timmay

And you've given "the same ol' opinion" 325 times in this thread. What's your point?

The one I made.

[Timmay]

Originally Posted by jdandns

The one I made.

All I saw was the same ol' drivel and insults.

[37Jetson]

With as bad of choices that we have in Hillary or The Donald how can Gary Johnson remain such an unknown?

Will Johnson even make the debates? Or be a victim of the two party fix?

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by corndog

I would like to have a group of doctors from both sides of the aisle take a look at Clinton's medical records. Something is wrong with her and there is a lot of medical speculation (just from public observations) that she is exhibiting symptoms of Parkinsons Disease.

Trump's issues are oral.

I would like to have a group of accountants from both sides of the aisle take a look at Trump's tax returns. Something is wrong with him and there is a lot of fiduciary speculation (just from public observations) that he is exhibiting symptoms of a person with an awful lot to hide.

Trump's issues, a lot of people are saying (if I may borrow that Trump-ism), is that he doesn't have as much money as he says he does, that he gives nothing to charity, and that he is deeply in bed with the Russian oligarchs who are even now using hackers to help him be even competitive in an election he could never win on his own.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by jdandns

I would like to have a group of accountants from both sides of the aisle take a look at Trump's tax returns. Something is wrong with him and there is a lot of fiduciary speculation (just from public observations) that he is exhibiting symptoms of a person with an awful lot to hide.

Trump's issues, a lot of people are saying (if I may borrow that Trump-ism), is that he doesn't have as much money as he says he does, that he gives nothing to charity, and that he is deeply in bed with the Russian oligarchs who are even now using hackers to help him be even competitive in an election he could never win on his own.

Hearsay, no?

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Timmay

All I saw was the same ol' drivel and insults.

I didn't insult anyone.

This thread is still heavily anti-Hillary despite the number of posts I've made, many of which weren't even defending her by the way. You should be grateful for this dissension. It'll make the morning after the election easier for you to accept.

I'm here to help, Timmay!!!

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by rman112

Hearsay, no?

Absolutely, but so is just about everything the Donald says, as well.
That's why I prefaced it with his "a lot of people are saying".
I guess I could've went with his "many people are saying" instead.
Works for him, no?

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

With as bad of choices that we have in Hillary or The Donald how can Gary Johnson remain such an unknown?

Will Johnson even make the debates? Or be a victim of the two party fix?

I believe Johnson needs to get to 15% support in an average of five national polls (I'm not sure which ones), and he would then be offered a spot in the debates.

Trump should donate heavily to the Johnson campaign to help achieve this. The less Donald has to talk in those debates, the better it would be for him. He is wholly out of his element in these affairs.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by jdandns

It's the same ol' opinion that has Trump where he is now.
Please proceed...

And as for his jam-packed rallies, people in attendance like to see Trump in person mos'ly acause they sawed him up on the teevee on that one show.

Face it, people don't go to monster truck shows to see them NOT crash.
In that regard, you can always count on Trump to deliver.

Please stop sharing your ignorant opinions.

[jdandns]

Sorry, but this little light of mine, I'm going to let it shine.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Trump's wall isn't offensive. It's impractical.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/09/

That said, as long as Texas is on the other side of it, where it belongs, I'll gladly volunteer a Saturday or two to help out in the building of it. That'll save on costs, although I do hope we'd at least be provided sandwiches and cold water.

What is your issue with Texas? I would love to hear it.