Road to Glory: Blowout Dynasty League ($25 yearly)

[silverandblack]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

I guess I just don't understand how I'm supposed to clarify things that are apparently cloudy if nobody tells me so. Unless you think I'm intentionally trying to create vague rules so they can be taken advantage of later, then we have an entire other issue.

My point is that I gave quite literally weeks for people to read the rules I had posted and give me feedback so I could clarify them or so we could talk about them as a league and come to a conclusion on what the rule should be (I'll remind you that's what we did for pretty much every rule/setting we came up with). Nobody ever asked for a clarification on this particular rule, which tells me either A) People thought they understood it, B) People read the rule and were confused about it but didn't say anything, or C) People didn't read the rules at all. I've already taken responsibility for A multiple times. B and C is not on me if people don't say anything or don't read the rules at all

Nobody is saying you are intentionally creating vague rules so they can be taken advantage of at all.

Whatwe are saying is that it isnt vague its very cut and dry a minor league draft is for minor league players not anyone on planet earth.

Dynasty is supposed to be like running a major league team. Major league teams cant draft international players in the minor league draft so why would we be able to hear.

[HOFAutoRookies]

Originally Posted by silverandblack

Nobody is saying you are intentionally creating vague rules so they can be taken advantage of at all.

Whatwe are saying is that it isnt vague its very cut and dry a minor league draft is for minor league players not anyone on planet earth.

Dynasty is supposed to be like running a major league team. Major league teams cant draft international players in the minor league draft so why would we be able to hear.

Technically, a MiLB draft could be drafting anyone in the Universe. That's the beauty of fantasy baseball, you can do whatever the hell you want. I have another Dynasty team and our MiLB draft is open to all.

[silverandblack]

Originally Posted by HOFAutoRookies

Guys, lay off Matt on here, this isn't his doing or any of his fault. Like he said, this could have been taken care of wellllllll before the season started for us but no one said anything.

As for the MiLB draft, it's just a title. In no way shape or form did the rules come close to stating they HAVE to be with an MLB affiliated team in order to be selected. Sure, some assumed it's restricted to minor leagues guys and some assumed it was open to all players. You can't fault Matt on that.

It's a vague term that can coincide with a prospect draft. What is an MiLB draft? In a nutshell it's a prospect draft. Again, no where did it say you cannot take international players. If you didn't see it the way I did, that's your own fault.

None of these rules are being bent. They are all within the parameters of said rules. I saw an opportunity because most didn't and I took it. So you're going to fault me or Matt because you missed that or didn't think of it?

Sure, we could have all done better with the linguistics but you can't be mad and to say that Matt could have done better is silly in my opinion. To reiterate again, NO ONE SAID ANYTHING! Everyone was good with all of the rules and they were all agreed upon.

Dynasty is supposed to follow running a real team. Major leagie teams cant draft international players so thats how dynasty minor league drafts are in my experience always done. Im guessing this is a first time dynasty league for many guys in here.

[HOFAutoRookies]

Originally Posted by silverandblack

Dynasty is supposed to follow running a real team. Major leagie teams cant draft international players so thats how dynasty minor league drafts are in my experience always done. Im guessing this is a first time dynasty league for many guys in here.

A dynasty team can be whatever you want it to be. It is not a prerequisite in dynasty leagues to only draft minor league players. That's how YOU want it to be done.

[silverandblack]

Originally Posted by HOFAutoRookies

A dynasty team can be whatever you want it to be. It is not a prerequisite in dynasty leagues to only draft minor league players. That's how YOU want it to be done.

Of course it can be anything you want but it wasnt written in the rules that you can draft anyone on earth it was written that it was a minor league draft which means minor league players

[HOFAutoRookies]

Originally Posted by silverandblack

Of course it can be anything you want but it wasnt written in the rules that you can draft anyone on earth it was written that it was a minor league draft which means minor league players

And, it wasn't written in the rules saying it's strictly to minor league players with an affiliated team. See how easy that is?

[silverandblack]

Originally Posted by HOFAutoRookies

And, it wasn't written in the rules saying it's strictly to minor league players with an affiliated team. See how easy that is?

Sure i see how easy it is however it doesnt say you can draft anyone you want. Thats the issue. So we should just all say sure its fine do whatever you want?

Im not arguing there arent leagues that you candraft whoever you want but i will tell you that ive done dozens of dynasty leagues over the last 25 years and have never seen one where you can draft international players in a minor league draft.

[HOFAutoRookies]

Originally Posted by silverandblack

Sure i see how easy it is however it doesnt say you can draft anyone you want. Thats the issue. So we should just all say sure its fine do whatever you want?



Im not arguing there arent leagues that you candraft whoever you want but i will tell you that ive done dozens of dynasty leagues over the last 25 years and have never seen one where you can draft international players in a minor league draft.

Nope. Not saying do whatever I want at all. Just pointing to facts.

Well, then this will be a first for you . I'm in one where we do, it's fun. Makes you scout internationally and you get to learn a little more about the playing styles etc and get a better appreciation for the game.

[Dbacksbaseball]

The point you are both avoiding is there are no rules For OR against it. Therefor at minimum it should have went to vote. But I can see we're just going to make it up on the go. Again $25 league isn't worth my time bickering but.... not off to a good start.

Let me make this point. I started a $25 Dynasty Football league in 2002. This year will be the 15th year of the league, buy-in for 2017 was increased from $2500 to $3000 and its been the same 10 guys for the past 10 seasons, and we have a waiting list of people close to 20 if anyone ever backs out. We even have a guy fly in from California yearly to attend the live draft. I am and have been the commissioner, and yes it gets stressful, but even with the same 10 guys, high stakes, there is always at least 3 or 4 things to vote on that aren't covered or aren't clear in the rules. Throwing my hands up and making a decision and then trying to blame the members of my league for not reading the rules (that weren't there or aren't clear enough) would have shut this league down in 2003-2004.

The rules don't state that if I would acquire your password I could trade all the players I want from your team to my team.....so I guess thats in play? Obviously, thats extreme, but not everything is in a 'rule' book from the start, its open to discussion.

That said, the can of worms is open let's make sure were scouting those high school sophomores!!

[Cornerstore]

and with my next pick i pick Mike Trout Jr.... its a futures pick and we may never see him even in the minors but his ceiling is sky high just off his gene pool. All jokes aside im cool eitherway. Honestly you either get them in the minor league draft or someone holds the #1 waiver priority until they sign with a ML team so atleast people will be more active on waivers this way

[Hollywood42]

I'm pretty much done with this discussion at this point, but I'll make my final remarks-

1. "There are no rules for or against it". In my opinion, that's not true. "Any player that is not on another team's roster is eligible to be drafted in the minor league draft. They do not need to be in ESPN's player pool in order to be drafted." suggests just that, any player not on a roster is available. Now, maybe the wording wasn't as clear as it should have been, but I ruled the Otani pick fair as that was I intended the rule to be enforced

2. I'm not "throwing my hands up and making a decision and then trying to blame the members of my league for not reading the rules". Again, I ruled the pick fair as the intent of the rule was to let anybody in the world not on a roster be drafted. That's how I do it in my other league, and people seem to like it. Again, clarity is another discussion which, *again*, I've already taken responsibility for, but I'm not blindly throwing darts at a board to determine if I should allow the pick or not. I'm basing it off my intent of the rule

3. YET AGAIN. I still don't understand why people are waiting until now to bring this up. If you did truly read the rules, why wait until now when it creates a giant mess to debate it? Bring it up months ago when we were talking about it

4. The password analogy.... What? Seriously. What?

5. If you truly are that concerned over my integrity as a league manager, maybe you should consider if you will want to return next year or not. Sorry, but that's pretty much to the point this has gotten

6. Last thing. I will reiterate again- I intended the rule to allow anybody not on rosters to be drafted, from a minor leaguer, international player, to my grandma, so long as they don't have more than 130 MLB ABs or 65 MLB IP (if I remember the numbers correctly off the top of my head). If you're not accusing me of intentionally wording the rules in a way they could be interpreted multiple ways, then you must believe in my intent for the rule. I ruled the Otani pick as fair because, again, that is how I intended the rule to be. I've apologized for the confusion multiple times, and I'll do it again- I truly am sorry, and I didn't anticipate the uncertainty. Now, I made the ruling as I intended it to be, and it's over. Now we all know, and I will do my best to avoid cloudy wording again in the future. Let's move on. I'd also appreciate if the snarky, sarcastic comments would end. They don't contribute to anything. I believe I've said everything there is to say on my side, so hopefully you can see where I'm coming from and that there was no ill will or intent. I'm looking forward at moving on and getting back to the draft. Have a good night everyone. I'm headed out for spring break tomorrow night so I won't be around as often, but PM me when it's my pick and I won't hold things up too long

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

The point you are both avoiding is there are no rules For OR against it. Therefor at minimum it should have went to vote. But I can see we're just going to make it up on the go. Again $25 league isn't worth my time bickering but.... not off to a good start.

Let me make this point. I started a $25 Dynasty Football league in 2002. This year will be the 15th year of the league, buy-in for 2017 was increased from $2500 to $3000 and its been the same 10 guys for the past 10 seasons, and we have a waiting list of people close to 20 if anyone ever backs out. We even have a guy fly in from California yearly to attend the live draft. I am and have been the commissioner, and yes it gets stressful, but even with the same 10 guys, high stakes, there is always at least 3 or 4 things to vote on that aren't covered or aren't clear in the rules. Throwing my hands up and making a decision and then trying to blame the members of my league for not reading the rules (that weren't there or aren't clear enough) would have shut this league down in 2003-2004.

The rules don't state that if I would acquire your password I could trade all the players I want from your team to my team.....so I guess thats in play? Obviously, thats extreme, but not everything is in a 'rule' book from the start, its open to discussion.

That said, the can of worms is open let's make sure were scouting those high school sophomores!!

[todderfield]

sorry for the delay guys, I work nights and have limited access

I will select Bradley Zimmer, OF Cle and rp/sp Reynaldo lopez CHW

[Cornerstore]

Originally Posted by todderfield

sorry for the delay guys, I work nights and have limited access

I will select Bradley Zimmer, OF Cle and rp/sp Reynaldo lopez CHW

great picks at the turn - they were on the top of my list if they made it around again

[julusnc]

I know I am new to the dynasty league but then again all of us are new to this league. It is not the fault of anyone because we did have the rules before hand. The problem I have is that I too would think the Major League draft was for Major League players and a Minor League draft was for only Minor League players. Now we have team owners going for players that have not even been pickup by a Major or Minor League team being drafted? That just seems to me like jumping the shark...... I know it is only $25.00 bucks but as a full member of the league I don't like it. I also don't appreciate being laughed at by other leagues because we are discussing issues.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by julusnc

I know I am new to the dynasty league but then again all of us are new to this league. It is not the fault of anyone because we did have the rules before hand. The problem I have is that I too would think the Major League draft was for Major League players and a Minor League draft was for only Minor League players. Now we have team owners going for players that have not even been pickup by a Major or Minor League team being drafted? That just seems to me like jumping the shark...... I know it is only $25.00 bucks but as a full member of the league I don't like it. I also don't appreciate being laughed at by other leagues because we are discussing issues.

The bolded is immaturity, you will find it many places on these boards.

I'll PM you Matt. But this is person 4 of 6 who have spoken that they dont agree with this. Might be time to vote.

[Bosox34]

While I do think it is kind of ridiculous to be taking players that aren't even signed with an MLB team yet, the rules have been there for weeks so it is what it is at this point. No need in trying to argue when we all had access to the same information for a while, and any of us could have spoken up about any clarification in the rules much earlier. No need for so much drama this early to the season

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by Bosox34

While I do think it is kind of ridiculous to be taking players that aren't even signed with an MLB team yet, the rules have been there for weeks so it is what it is at this point. No need in trying to argue when we all had access to the same information for a while, and any of us could have spoken up about any clarification in the rules much earlier. No need for so much drama this early to the season

Your the 5th person to insinuate its not right..... I understand not trying to upset anyone. And truthfully I'm not either. Just needs to go to a vote. That simple.

I'm not mad, about the said pick. Personally look at the international pitchers that have come over with huge reputations. Have any panned out? Yu...thats about it. Maybe Tanaka....but even those guys haven't really lived up to expectation.

Going to kill the MiLB draft.

[Sportscards515]

I'll take Chance Sisco (C)

[Hollywood42]

Well if enough people want to vote, let's vote, even though this should have happened weeks ago if people were concerned about it. Post your votes below on the following:

-Should the prospect draft be open to any player in the world, or only players signed by a minor or major league team?
-If only players signed by a major/minor league team, are players added to that list midseason eligible to be drafted in the ASB draft, or only a preseason draft?
-If only players signed by a major/minor league team, do they have to be in ESPN's player pool to be drafted in the prospect draft?
-If only players signed by a major/minor league team, how to resolve the current draft as multiple picks have been submitted since HOF? Allow him to take a player picked after his last pick or no?
-How many of your 10 prospects should you be able to keep each year?

If there's any other concerns or potential situations that could come up, address them now please......

[silverandblack]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

Well if enough people want to vote, let's vote, even though this should have happened weeks ago if people were concerned about it. Post your votes below on the following:

-Should the prospect draft be open to any player in the world, or only players signed by a minor or major league team?
-If only players signed by a major/minor league team, are players added to that list midseason eligible to be drafted in the ASB draft, or only a preseason draft?
-If only players signed by a major/minor league team, do they have to be in ESPN's player pool to be drafted in the prospect draft?
-If only players signed by a major/minor league team, how to resolve the current draft as multiple picks have been submitted since HOF? Allow him to take a player picked after his last pick or no?
-How many of your 10 prospects should you be able to keep each year?

If there's any other concerns or potential situations that could come up, address them now please......

You keep saying this should have been brought up weeks ago but to those of us who have been a part of many dynasty leagues a minor league draft is just that so it didnt appear that anything needed to be brought up.

Technically hof should have brought it up if he wanted to draft international players. It goes both ways. This is how leagues work. Sometimes not everything is cut and dry and issues come up. Not the end of the world either way.


I vote only players in the minors.

If we do our mid season draft after the mlb draft then current draft picks could be drafted.

No they dont have to be in the espn player pool since they dont currently for the milb draft.

Innterms of hof's pick i guess thedraft would go back to his pick and start again since the draft should have been frozen once the issue came up.

If i read the rules correct we get a 10 player milb team so i figured we can keep 10 players.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

Well if enough people want to vote, let's vote, even though this should have happened weeks ago if people were concerned about it. Post your votes below on the following:

-Should the prospect draft be open to any player in the world, or only players signed by a minor or major league team?
-If only players signed by a major/minor league team, are players added to that list midseason eligible to be drafted in the ASB draft, or only a preseason draft?
-If only players signed by a major/minor league team, do they have to be in ESPN's player pool to be drafted in the prospect draft?
-If only players signed by a major/minor league team, how to resolve the current draft as multiple picks have been submitted since HOF? Allow him to take a player picked after his last pick or no?
-How many of your 10 prospects should you be able to keep each year?

If there's any other concerns or potential situations that could come up, address them now please......

Issues are going to come up with a new league. I don't get the passive aggressiveness and negativity towards people bringing up the issues. You asked that the snarky comments stop, I'm asking that you show some maturity.


Only one thing needs voted on: Should the MiLB draft be kept to MiLB players?

My Vote Yes 100%.

This is a fair question:
If only players signed by a major/minor league team, how to resolve the current draft as multiple picks have been submitted since HOF? Allow him to take a player picked after his last pick or no?

My opinion is he gets to keep said pick because no rule was established either way at the point. However, no one outside the MiLB going forward.

[Cornerstore]

-Should the prospect draft be open to any player in the world, or only players signed by a minor or major league team?

I would want them to be drafted regardless. Its either once they are signed and put on ESPN's player pool people will keep that #1 waiver priority and add them then. Allowing the picks now will keep people more active adding/dropping players.

-If only players signed by a major/minor league team, are players added to that list midseason eligible to be drafted in the ASB draft, or only a preseason draft?

I'd say midseason as long as its past mlb draft.

-If only players signed by a major/minor league team, do they have to be in ESPN's player pool to be drafted in the prospect draft?

No

-If only players signed by a major/minor league team, how to resolve the current draft as multiple picks have been submitted since HOF? Allow him to take a player picked after his last pick or no?

Allow HOF to keep pick, stop intl players from fwd. but i rather just be allowed to draft intl

-How many of your 10 prospects should you be able to keep each year?

Up to 10


Add on concerns

- For midseason draft, whats stopping me if im last place from dropping brandon rodgers from my main roster and requiring him in the midseason draft to make room on my espn roster for a mlb player - I know that eliminates a pick but I can see someone trying that (heck, me depending on how thin the new group is)

[Hollywood42]

Cornerstore, can you clarify your vote on if all players should be eligible or only players signed by a major/minor league team? I'm not entirely sure what you're saying in your first bullet point

[Bosox34]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

Well if enough people want to vote, let's vote, even though this should have happened weeks ago if people were concerned about it. Post your votes below on the following:

-Should the prospect draft be open to any player in the world, or only players signed by a minor or major league team?
-If only players signed by a major/minor league team, are players added to that list midseason eligible to be drafted in the ASB draft, or only a preseason draft?
-If only players signed by a major/minor league team, do they have to be in ESPN's player pool to be drafted in the prospect draft?
-If only players signed by a major/minor league team, how to resolve the current draft as multiple picks have been submitted since HOF? Allow him to take a player picked after his last pick or no?
-How many of your 10 prospects should you be able to keep each year?

If there's any other concerns or potential situations that could come up, address them now please......

Again this is a new league so things are going to come up. We just need to make sure that everything is handled quickly and maturely or else this league will look like a joke and no one will have any fun.


Personally I think the MILB draft should be for players that have already signed for a major league team, whether that be an MLB draftee, an international prospect who signed to play with an MLB team, etc. If they have already signed and have a contract with a major league team and their minor league organization then I think that's fair game. In regards to international players that haven't signed yet like Otani, I think the best bet would be to hold off until they do sign and then wait until next year's MILB draft before you can add them. I don't think they should be added midseason as that is unfair. I think 8/10 of your prospects or maybe even 6/10 should be allowed to be kept each year. In regards to HOF, I would just let him pick again, I honestly doubt he would've picked anyone drafted already, or at least I wouldn't have, or what you could do is just bump up one of his picks to the beginning of the round kind of like the way that MLB does supplementary picks after the 1st round.

[silverandblack]

Dbacks and corner bring up a good point about what ti do with hof's pick. Im good with him keeping the pick and giing forward no more international players as the rule wasnt clear it only seems fair.