Topps 582 Montgomery Club

[Rbradleigh]

Originally Posted by rawonion

I am and it doesn't

Sign in to your topps account and then see about opening the MC link

[Rbradleigh]

Originally Posted by RainCityShecks

I hope we start getting better Monty club offerings than this from Topps (this year and in the future). These first two seem like a major let down. I want truly sought after product not friggen starwars/cabbage patch/unlicensed football trash..........................Throw Cosmic Chome baseball back on this list!!!! Not super excited for Museum club baseball and soccer sapphire and seeing Inception Basketball on the list is making me nauseous.

These first 2 are exactly what was listed in the MC spec so far
Edit…
Sorry, I do see you saw the Spec and ‘know’ what’s coming down the pipe.
But we saw and bought, that’s on us.

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

You are gonna have the breakers pimping the big hits, but this is going to be a bloodbath to open for personal buys. I see MAYBE 8 players in that auto list that MIGHT get your money back.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

You are gonna have the breakers pimping the big hits, but this is going to be a bloodbath to open for personal buys. I see MAYBE 8 players in that auto list that MIGHT get your money back.

No doubt, a breakers product and they will break a ton.

[RainCityShecks]

Originally Posted by Rbradleigh

These first 2 are exactly what was listed in the MC spec so far
Edit…
Sorry, I do see you saw the Spec and ‘know’ what’s coming down the pipe.
But we saw and bought, that’s on us.

All good, and agree, we bought that's on us. I feel good about skippingg today's release for sure.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Boo

Likely true but everything is priced like crazy. Topps isn't giving stuff away anymore. There will likely only be one or two decently priced offering.

Have you just skipped over the last full year of 2024 baseball hobby releases? How many of those that are even somewhat limited are down? My count is zero but if you want to make a list I'll look it over. The majority are probably up at least 40%.

It's how they are pricing unlicensed football and basketball junk. The fact they have gotten people to pay for this stuff when we have countless years of history of unlicensed being worthless is pretty amazing. Couple that with the fact virtually all of those are releases are now down or around original cost is crazy. They are stupid so maybe there is a chance when these products are licensed that the prices aren't that much different from the unlicensed prices.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Have you just skipped over the last full year of 2024 baseball hobby releases? How many of those that are even somewhat limited are down? My count is zero but if you want to make a list I'll look it over. The majority are probably up at least 40%.

It's how they are pricing unlicensed football and basketball junk. The fact they have gotten people to pay for this stuff when we have countless years of history of unlicensed being worthless is pretty amazing. Couple that with the fact virtually all of those are releases are now down or around original cost is crazy. They are stupid so maybe there is a chance when these products are licensed that the prices aren't that much different from the unlicensed prices.

So true. The only caveat I will point out is 1981 Topps Football is unlicensed and has held up well.

[BabaORiley]

Welp. I just reversed course and bought one.

Somebody's gotta be the guy to just buy, rip and post results. I'm expecting about a 20% ROI here and that's assuming an average auto.

[jusdukky]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

If this were $200 or $250, ok. But $430?! No thanks.

Agreed!!

[daktmacfan]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

So true. The only caveat I will point out is 1981 Topps Football is unlicensed and has held up well.

Who else was making football cards in packs back in '81? I think the big difference now is that there is a licensed option from Panini. All Topps has going for it with this Topps Chrome football sapphire release are the autograph exclusives with some of the big RCs and Tom Brady. Topps could have made their offering a lot more appealing with on-card autos and better photo selection.

[Boredlawyer]

Pre-order flipping sounds like an enormous waste of time.

$430 + ~8% sales tax = $465.

Right now the product isn't moving at $600 shipped on Ebay. There's one up for $575. So let's say you have to move it for $590 on Ebay. Less fees = ~$500, less $12-14 = $487. You'd currently have to price it below $575 to sell, so you'd net maybe $5 and a few Topps Now Points to be a drop shipper and assume the risk of damaged product in transit?

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by daktmacfan

Who else was making football cards in packs back in '81? I think the big difference now is that there is a licensed option from Panini. All Topps has going for it with this Topps Chrome football sapphire release are the autograph exclusives with some of the big RCs and Tom Brady. Topps could have made their offering a lot more appealing with on-card autos and better photo selection.

Not many. But the point is, unlicensed has not fared well over the years regardless of the circumstances. One exception in 50 years is not promising.

[jduds]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

Not many. But the point is, unlicensed has not fared well over the years regardless of the circumstances. One exception in 50 years is not promising.

There are numerous unlicensed products that have seen appreciation in terms of wax prices and singles prices. Anything for 2018 is nuclear still and good unlicensed products tend to appreciate at the same percentage as licensed the few times I've actually compared the numbers in depth.

[Americards]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

Pre-order flipping sounds like an enormous waste of time.

$430 + ~8% sales tax = $465.

Right now the product isn't moving at $600 shipped on Ebay. There's one up for $575. So let's say you have to move it for $590 on Ebay. Less fees = ~$500, less $12-14 = $487. You'd currently have to price it below $575 to sell, so you'd net maybe $5 and a few Topps Now Points to be a drop shipper and assume the risk of damaged product in transit?

Some people may not have to pay sales tax if they are a business....

[bub838]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

Pre-order flipping sounds like an enormous waste of time.

$430 + ~8% sales tax = $465.

Right now the product isn't moving at $600 shipped on Ebay. There's one up for $575. So let's say you have to move it for $590 on Ebay. Less fees = ~$500, less $12-14 = $487. You'd currently have to price it below $575 to sell, so you'd net maybe $5 and a few Topps Now Points to be a drop shipper and assume the risk of damaged product in transit?

People do this just to churn credit card reward points/miles.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by jduds

There are numerous unlicensed products that have seen appreciation in terms of wax prices and singles prices. Anything for 2018 is nuclear still and good unlicensed products tend to appreciate at the same percentage as licensed the few times I've actually compared the numbers in depth.

What a crock. Just look how hot 2024 Topps baseball is right now. Is Panini baseball hot? No. It's ice cold. Because it's unlicensed and they haven't been able to trick people like Topps has.

Over the last year or so of Topps basketball and football unlicensed releases how many of those are up? If there are any it's not by much. You can't really compare the football and basketball licensed releases because the pieces of garbage that control all the Panini product set a price that can only go down and does usually big immediately. They can't do this with Topps because Topps spreads it all around way more. They don't just let the big 3 set a hobby price that tanks 20-50% from preorder to right around release day time after time year after year.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by bub838

People do this just to churn credit card reward points/miles.

One of my favorite things to do. I try not to do it to break even, I always intend to turn a profit, but this is SOOOO valuable if you can do it at scale. We have a 2 week Norway cruised booked for this summer and I was able to pay for all airfare with miles for my whole family. On top of that, that same "churn" has also given us the highest status on Delta so we get a free upgrade to business class for the flight with lay flat beds. These are tickets that would cost about $20k total if purchased straight from Delta. For literally nothing other than a few bucks in fees.

[volblorx8634]

Originally Posted by premium1981

One of my favorite things to do. I try not to do it to break even, I always intend to turn a profit, but this is SOOOO valuable if you can do it at scale. We have a 2 week Norway cruised booked for this summer and I was able to pay for all airfare with miles for my whole family. On top of that, that same "churn" has also given us the highest status on Delta so we get a free upgrade to business class for the flight with lay flat beds. These are tickets that would cost about $20k total if purchased straight from Delta. For literally nothing other than a few bucks in fees.

Teach me your ways

[aschade]

With most passing on this and Star Wars Hyperspace basically available at cost, what products are people planning on buying to offset the cost of membership? I'm assuming only Bowman Sapphire and Update Sapphire will be the only releases people can flip. Rest seem like a pass.



About the 2025 Membership

2025 Membership Benefits

(1) "582 Montgomery Club" stamped 2025 Topps Baseball Complete Set – shipped automatically to you in Fall 2025

Exclusive early access to 8 releases, such as the following, but subject to change:

2024 Star Wars Hyperspace

2024 Topps Chrome Football Sapphire

2024/25 Topps Chrome UEFA UCC Sapphire

2024/25 Inception Basketball

2025 Topps Museum Collection Baseball

2025 Topps Chrome Baseball Sapphire

2025 Bowman Chrome Sapphire

2025 Topps Chrome Update Sapphire

[RainCityShecks]

Originally Posted by aschade

With most passing on this and Star Wars Hyperspace basically available at cost, what products are people planning on buying to offset the cost of membership? I'm assuming only Bowman Sapphire and Update Sapphire will be the only releases people can flip. Rest seem like a pass.



About the 2025 Membership

2025 Membership Benefits

(1) "582 Montgomery Club" stamped 2025 Topps Baseball Complete Set – shipped automatically to you in Fall 2025

Exclusive early access to 8 releases, such as the following, but subject to change:



2025 Topps Museum Collection Baseball

2025 Topps Chrome Baseball Sapphire

2025 Bowman Chrome Sapphire

2025 Topps Chrome Update Sapphire

likely just the above 4 (and maybe try to flip either Museum or TCBS). I'll be cracking Bowman and TCU sapphires for sure.

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by aschade

With most passing on this and Star Wars Hyperspace basically available at cost, what products are people planning on buying to offset the cost of membership? I'm assuming only Bowman Sapphire and Update Sapphire will be the only releases people can flip. Rest seem like a pass.



About the 2025 Membership

2025 Membership Benefits

(1) "582 Montgomery Club" stamped 2025 Topps Baseball Complete Set – shipped automatically to you in Fall 2025

Exclusive early access to 8 releases, such as the following, but subject to change:

2024 Star Wars Hyperspace

2024 Topps Chrome Football Sapphire

2024/25 Topps Chrome UEFA UCC Sapphire

2024/25 Inception Basketball

2025 Topps Museum Collection Baseball

2025 Topps Chrome Baseball Sapphire

2025 Bowman Chrome Sapphire

2025 Topps Chrome Update Sapphire

It's definitely not looking good as far as flipping anymore. Sapphire baseball has the most promise but it depends on how the rookie class performs and the pricing. Can always sell the complete sets I guess.

[aschade]

100%. Next three drops all should be an easy pass for me (Uefa sapphire, Inception, and Museum Coll), all should be available at cost or less.

I was counting on $50 for the set, and at least a $50 fanatics credit to offset the cost. That way basically have $50 into the membership. Hopefully we get some break credit to help offset the cost.

Originally Posted by Bcr

It's definitely not looking good as far as flipping anymore. Sapphire baseball has the most promise but it depends on how the rookie class performs and the pricing. Can always sell the complete sets I guess.

[Fanatics2026]

I hope these sit for the public sale and maybe fanatics will rethink their pricing

[Rbradleigh]

Originally Posted by RainCityShecks

likely just the above 4 (and maybe try to flip either Museum or TCBS). I'll be cracking Bowman and TCU sapphires for sure.

Same, except likely pass on Museum

[ddearing]

I don’t really keep up with the rules, but I thought fanatics could only include 5 current players and all the rest had to be retired in order to not violate the deal
Set up by the nflpa ?