Running CGC (old CSG) Order Tracker

[collective]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

I just got an order back last week and there were 3 9.5 grades in it, all TCG.

TCG has a slightly different grading logic and different graders

[collective]

Dupe post delete

[KeltonB]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

I just got an order back last week and there were 3 9.5 grades in it, all TCG.

Hmmm, okay. I had a mix of sports/non-sports in all of my subs and still no 9.5s. Its either feast or famine on my subs, although I guess a CGC 9.5 really isn't really a big deal anyway.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by KeltonB

Hmmm, okay. I had a mix of sports/non-sports in all of my subs and still no 9.5s. Its either feast or famine on my subs, although I guess a CGC 9.5 really isn't really a big deal anyway.

I would definitely prefer a 9.5 over a 9. I 9.5 is definitely an option for a regrade or even to send elsewhere. The crazy thing is my 9.5’s were on Japanese TF.

[YeahBuddy]

I just got a sub back, and it had a sports card 9.5 in it. I think its harder to get the 9.5s based onpast few subs, but none the less I dont think its abandoned if anything perhaps they are leaning either way , trusting the graders but saying make a judgment, is it a 10 or 9, if you could say that , do it .... if its strongly a 9.5 let it be.

my random take anyways.

[Dacubs2]

Service level: Economy
Cards: 10 Cards

Order Shipped: 03/18/2025 (USPS Ground Advantage)
Postal Delivery: 03/21/2025
CSG Logged: 3/24/25
Scheduled For Grading:
Grading / Quality Control:
Finalized / Imaged / Shipped:
Deadline:
Delivered:

[collective]

Originally Posted by YeahBuddy

I just got a sub back, and it had a sports card 9.5 in it. I think its harder to get the 9.5s based onpast few subs, but none the less I dont think its abandoned if anything perhaps they are leaning either way , trusting the graders but saying make a judgment, is it a 10 or 9, if you could say that , do it ....if its strongly a 9.5 let it be.

my random take anyways.

A strong 9 should receive a 9.5. A strong 8 should receive a 8.5, and so on. That's what half grades are, a + designation.

They made this change within the last year with no announcement, because they knew the optics of another change would be bad. They should have bit the bullet and announced this change anyhow. That was the right thing to do.

CSG, now CGC brought over the Beckett grading scale when they launched. They (not quickly enough) realized this was a mistake.

[YeahBuddy]

Originally Posted by collective

A strong 9 should receive a 9.5. A strong 8 should receive a 8.5, and so on. That's what half grades are, a + designation.

They made this change within the last year with no announcement, because they knew the optics of another change would be bad. They should have bit the bullet and announced this change anyhow. That was the right thing to do.

CSG, now CGC brought over the Beckett grading scale when they launched. They (not quickly enough) realized this was a mistake.

Thats your opinion. And its all speculation. They still give out 9.5s as evidence suggests. Maybe not as frequent, but with all grading companies I have cards that have got lower then expected or higher than expected. Its nothing new.

I rarely have a situation where im like "oh man that definitely should have been a 9.5"

Id rather have a 9.5 then a 9, im sure like most, but id also rather them give me a 10 then get a bunch of 9.5s just because they have a 9.5 grade to dish out.

So if the speculation is true, and its just much harder to get a 9.5, but it can lean me more towards 10 at times im fine with it.

[b1ueseven]

Service level: Bulk
Card count: 26

Order Shipped: 03/7/2025 (USPS Priority)
Postal Delivery: 03/10/2025
CSG Logged: 3/12/2025
Scheduled For Grading:
Grading / Quality Control:
Finalized / Imaged / Shipped:
Deadline:
Delivered:

[KeltonB]

I posted this on the CGC board, but was curious what you lot think. What should the label grade be if this card is submitted for a reholder to the new slab/label?



My thinking, perhaps flawed, is that a green 9.5 = a new label 10. Since each of the subgrades is a green 9.5, shouldn't those subgrades become 10s? And then 4 10 subgrades = 10 pristine?

[Scottish Punk]

Any green label 9.5 gets the black 10 label. I don't think it works on the sub level. It is just an overall grade 9.5 gets a 10. A green label pristine will keep the pristine. A "true gem mint" doesn't really have an extra pull when converting to black label. Maybe a better chance at a pristine if you crack and resend, but that is always a crap shoot.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Any green label 9.5 gets the black 10 label. I don't think it works on the sub level. It is just an overall grade 9.5 gets a 10. A green label pristine will keep the pristine. A "true gem mint" doesn't really have an extra pull when converting to black label. Maybe a better chance at a pristine if you crack and resend, but that is always a crap shoot.

That might have been the policy in the past, but they added this verbiage to their guarantee.

What is Guaranteed
The Collectible has not been overgraded (meaning it is not graded higher than CGC Cards’ Grading Standards) (Exception: Grade is NOT guaranteed for cards encapsulated with CGC Cards’ green Qualified Grade Label.).

[KeltonB]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

That might have been the policy in the past, but they added this verbiage to their guarantee.

What is Guaranteed
The Collectible has not been overgraded (meaning it is not graded higher than CGC Cards’ Grading Standards) (Exception: Grade is NOT guaranteed for cards encapsulated with CGC Cards’ green Qualified Grade Label.).

Dan, I'm not following you here...

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by KeltonB

Dan, I'm not following you here...

Oops, I didn't see the qualified part. I just read it as the green label and that grade is not guaranteed.

It should transfer over as a CGC 10. If it doesn't, just contact customer service and tell them to check their policy. Maybe someone gave it a 9.5 because they don't know what they are doing. It may take a bit of effort since the customer service people might have never even dealt with a green label before or even know they exist.

[KeltonB]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Oops, I didn't see the qualified part. I just read it as the green label and that grade is not guaranteed.

It should transfer over as a CGC 10. If it doesn't, just contact customer service and tell them to check their policy. Maybe someone gave it a 9.5 because they don't know what they are doing. It may take a bit of effort since the customer service people might have never even dealt with a green label before or even know they exist.

I'm about 99.9% sure it would get a 10 Gem Mint, I was hoping to squeeze at 10 Pristine out of it, but I think I'm just going to leave it slabbed as is.

[Dacubs2]

Service level: Economy
Cards: 10 Cards

Order Shipped: 03/18/2025 (USPS Ground Advantage)
Postal Delivery: 03/21/2025
CSG Logged: 3/24/25
Scheduled For Grading: noted on 4/1/25
Grading/Encapsulation/Imaging: 4/8/25
Grading / Quality Control:
Finalized / Imaged / Shipped:
Deadline:

[Dacubs2]

Service level: Economy
Cards: 10 Cards

Order Shipped: 03/18/2025 (USPS Ground Advantage)
Postal Delivery: 03/21/2025
CSG Logged: 3/24/25
Scheduled For Grading: noted on 4/1/25
Grading/Encapsulation/Imaging: 4/8/25
Grading / Quality Control: 4/11/25
Shipped:

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by Dacubs2

Service level: Economy
Cards: 10 Cards

Order Shipped: 03/18/2025 (USPS Ground Advantage)
Postal Delivery: 03/21/2025
CSG Logged: 3/24/25
Scheduled For Grading: noted on 4/1/25
Grading/Encapsulation/Imaging: 4/8/25
Grading / Quality Control: 4/11/25
Finalized / Imaged / Shipped:
Deadline:

Good for you. I have a hobby coin order, TAT 30 days, that have been stuck in encapsulation for 2 weeks. It was logged on 2/14. Ugh!!!

[Dacubs2]

Service level: Economy
Cards: 10 Cards

Order Shipped: 03/18/2025 (USPS Ground Advantage)
Postal Delivery: 03/21/2025
CSG Logged: 3/24/25
Scheduled For Grading: noted on 4/1/25
Grading/Encapsulation/Imaging: 4/8/25
Grading / Quality Control: 4/11/25
Shipped: 4/14/25

Grades:
Gem Mint 10 x 6
9 x 3
7 x 1 (gotta try and figure out what went wrong with this one...thought it was a 9 at least)

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by Dacubs2

Service level: Economy
Cards: 10 Cards

Order Shipped: 03/18/2025 (USPS Ground Advantage)
Postal Delivery: 03/21/2025
CSG Logged: 3/24/25
Scheduled For Grading: noted on 4/1/25
Grading/Encapsulation/Imaging: 4/8/25
Grading / Quality Control: 4/11/25
Shipped: 4/14/25

Grades:
Gem Mint 10 x 6
9 x 3
7 x 1 (gotta try and figure out what went wrong with this one...thought it was a 9 at least)

Your TAT is much better than mine and still no movement. If TAT does not get better, Pristine chasing has ended for now. So disappointed.

[anusinha]

My first CSG sub in 2 years just came back. It arrived 3/31 and just finished today (economy). I went 7/7 on gems on new pokemon. Just goes to show you that something dumb is going on with psa.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by anusinha

My first CSG sub in 2 years just came back. It arrived 3/31 and just finished today (economy). I went 7/7 on gems on new pokemon. Just goes to show you that something dumb is going on with psa.

PSA NEEDS TO SLOW SUBMISSIONS! No better way than the trifecta! Higher prices! Higher TAT and lower gem rates.

[TXRunner]

It's been interesting to follow the GemRate stats on the grading companies. PSA's TAT and lower gem rates have definitely pushed people to other options, and it looks like CGC is benefiting from that. They were up 42% from the previous week.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by TXRunner

It's been interesting to follow the GemRate stats on the grading companies. PSA's TAT and lower gem rates have definitely pushed people to other options, and it looks like CGC is benefiting from that. They were up 42% from the previous week.

Indeed. I follow the monthly data and CGC seems to continue to rise. There are a lot of new collectors out there that don’t have a PSA bias. If you want the best slab of the big 4 to show off your collection, CGC is the choice and their Pristine grade sells for more than PSA 10 usually so that too is an option.

[The_Reverend]

Finally have these shipped. Sweet from the scans.

https://ibb.co/yFpQt8z6
https://ibb.co/Q2xX1XL