✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by rman112

I have. The post I replied to, and the highlighted part, challenged that Ohtani was essentially the sole reason the Angels are currently above .500

Let me ask you this. How can that be proven to be true? How can it be proven that if, say, Ohtani had gotten hurt the same day as Trout, that they'd be 5 games under (or whatever) ?

I am not defending Khal's choice of words. I personally interpreted his post as Ohtani being a significant factor and positive influence to the team's record. Why put people's comments under a microscope and pick them apart - it's a hobby forum.

Angels are currently 46-46. I am pretty damn sure they would have lost at least one, two, or more of those games if Albert Pujols was in the DH spot instead, or if Dyland Bundy was starting in place of Ohtani. Is it possible that Pujols has the game of his life nd Bundy suddenly remembers how to pitch? Sure, man - whatever floats your boat.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

I am not defending Khal's choice of words. I personally interpreted his post as Ohtani being a significant factor and positive influence to the team's record. Why put people's comments under a microscope and pick them apart - it's a hobby forum.

Angels are currently 46-46. I am pretty damn sure they would have lost at least one, two, or more of those games if Albert Pujols was in the DH spot instead, or if Dyland Bundy was starting in place of Ohtani. Is it possible that Pujols has the game of his life nd Bundy suddenly remembers how to pitch? Sure, man - whatever floats your boat.

"That's all Ohtani", even not taken literally, is still a pretty large jump up from saying he's a significant factor.

What you're saying in the second paragraph is an assumption. And that's the whole point.

Let's put it this way. You wake up from a coma in 2019. I tell you that last season, a pitcher had a 1.70 ERA for an entire season. And not only did he win 10 games, but his team's winning percentage in his games was actually WORSE than when everybody else pitched. You probably wouldn't believe me, right?

[jgb1219]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Thanks everyone. I usually consign cards worth more than 50K with Goldin. I have also consigned cards worth less than 50K in the past but they were scarce/rare (print run of 50 or less)

Got it - thanks a lot for your insights!

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by Tim

Anyone attempting to argue a 49 hr season by a starting pitcher who has a 3.75 era is going to lose the mvp to a triple crown winner is either very confused or a contrarion. Just like when ohtani gets all but one 1st place vote. The guy voting vlad would be a contrarion.

HRS are only one component of hitting. If he ends at .277 and someone else ends at .330 or better that’s not an insignificant difference. Keep in mind if Vlad won the Triple Crown he would have at least 50 HRs on top of that average. His SLG and OPS would also be pretty insane. Also 3.75 is great, but isn’t exactly a mind blowing ERA.

I’m just looking at the whole scenario in context rather than blindly pulling for one player or the other. There are second half scenarios where Ohtani wins and scenarios where Vlad wins. I give the edge to Ohtani right now, but there’s a whole second half of the season to be played.


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[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by rman112

"That's all Ohtani", even not taken literally, is still a pretty large jump up from saying he's a significant factor.

What you're saying in the second paragraph is an assumption. And that's the whole point.

Let's put it this way. You wake up from a coma in 2019. I tell you that last season, a pitcher had a 1.70 ERA for an entire season. And not only did he win 10 games, but his team's winning percentage in his games was actually WORSE than when everybody else pitched. You probably wouldn't believe me, right?

Okay, clearly the context I got from his comment was different than how you took it. As for your other points, anything that hasn't happened in reality is an assumption and it's pointless to argue about it. Let's stop cluttering the thread.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

Okay, clearly the context I got from his comment was different than how you took it. As for your other points, anything that hasn't happened in reality is an assumption and it's pointless to argue about it. Let's stop cluttering the thread.

Fair. Weird sh*t happens in baseball all the time. You never know what's going to happen day to day, let alone for significant stretches of play.

[HunterConnorMom]

Originally Posted by tblood

Thanks! I believe the red version is considered his true RC since it was pack pulled. No clue on the print runs of either but there aren’t exactly boatloads of them hitting eBay.

I personally think the purple looks better.


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Here's a link for all of the BBM first edition colored parallels:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?p=17457649

The purple is from Sports Card Magazine (SCM). There's also a variation with a silver signature. Purple has lower population graded compared to red.

[okumeister]

Every Shohei start on the mound feels like it’s a birthday.

[Tim]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

HRS are only one component of hitting. If he ends at .277 and someone else ends at .330 or better that’s not an insignificant difference. Keep in mind if Vlad won the Triple Crown he would have at least 50 HRs on top of that average. His SLG and OPS would also be pretty insane. Also 3.75 is great, but isn’t exactly a mind blowing ERA.

I’m just looking at the whole scenario in context rather than blindly pulling for one player or the other. There are second half scenarios where Ohtani wins and scenarios where Vlad wins. I give the edge to Ohtani right now, but there’s a whole second half of the season to be played.


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I do agree with the spirit of this post and I also do loathe hypotheticals, but with that said I completely disagree that as of now ohtani has an "edge" over vlad. Right now it's a complete landslide. Of course that could change. But right now? HUGE advantage ohtani.

[reddragonthe]

Ohtani is appointment television. Even for a Cubs fan like me. I don't have much Ohtani... but I really did like the Bowman Tek look and the relatively obscured rarity of some of the parallels.

They really didn't make much of this. The checklist was TINY but still resulted in miniscule Print Runs (relatively).

They aren't everyone's cup-o-tea, but it seems things like this always age better than they seem at the time. I wish they popped up more - but they really don't. And I think people are STARTING to catch on a bit as some of the prices have really climbed along with the overall tide of Ohtani RCs.

Pattern 8 - Hexagons/Shapes - <20 in the PR


Pattern 7 - Shatter/Web/Lines - <25 in the PR


Pattern 6 - Lightning Tree - <40 in the PR


Pattern 5 - Circuit Board - ~75 in the PR


Pattern 4 - Bow Tie/Dots - ~150 in the PR


Not pictured: Pattern 3 Zig-Zag/Maze (450), Pattern 2/Pattern 1 (Stripes/Circles) - base - 675 or so of each printed.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by Tim

I do agree with the spirit of this post and I also do loathe hypotheticals, but with that said I completely disagree that as of now ohtani has an "edge" over vlad. Right now it's a complete landslide. Of course that could change. But right now? HUGE advantage ohtani.

I feel you. If the vote was today, it’s Ohtani. The reason why I said edge is because the MVP vote is at the end of the season, and as you said, things could change. A lot can happen in an entire half of a season, there are certainly no foregone conclusions. I’m hoping for an epic showdown regardless of who takes home the hardware.


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[GMRide27]

Picked up another quick one today for the collection:

[Rage]

SHOtime is the best time

[moosetequila]

2 innings 3 SO... I'll take that

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[moosetequila]

And a wasted double...

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[majestik101]

Wasted opportunity there.... Why send Fletch. Ohtani absolutely robbed of an RBI. Dumb decision.

[Rage]

They need to stop sending runners not named Shohei, don't they learn?

[Middies31985]

Originally Posted by majestik101

Wasted opportunity there.... Why send Fletch. Ohtani absolutely robbed of an RBI. Dumb decision.

Well he wasn't really robbed of an RBI. If they hold Fletch, then he still doesn't get an RBI.

[crownand]

Just buy one from Blowout lol -
https://www.ebay.com/itm/28436802195...oAAOSwWKhg6zpN

And look at current buy-it-now prices

Hilarious!

And it only ships to USA. Case closed for stupidty

[okumeister]

Originally Posted by majestik101

Wasted opportunity there.... Why send Fletch. Ohtani absolutely robbed of an RBI. Dumb decision.

It was close enough and 2 outs.
The most logical decision would have been to send Fletch.
Just a great defensive play/relay from the A's.

[The_Reverend]

There are some lower end card that are running up fast in gem mint slabs and I mean for most of the ,not named HGA. LOL.

[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by reddragonthe

Ohtani is appointment television. Even for a Cubs fan like me. I don't have much Ohtani... but I really did like the Bowman Tek look and the relatively obscured rarity of some of the parallels.

They really didn't make much of this. The checklist was TINY but still resulted in miniscule Print Runs (relatively).

They aren't everyone's cup-o-tea, but it seems things like this always age better than they seem at the time. I wish they popped up more - but they really don't. And I think people are STARTING to catch on a bit as some of the prices have really climbed along with the overall tide of Ohtani RCs.

Pattern 8 - Hexagons/Shapes - <20 in the PR


Pattern 7 - Shatter/Web/Lines - <25 in the PR


Pattern 6 - Lightning Tree - <40 in the PR


Pattern 5 - Circuit Board - ~75 in the PR


Pattern 4 - Bow Tie/Dots - ~150 in the PR


Not pictured: Pattern 3 Zig-Zag/Maze (450), Pattern 2/Pattern 1 (Stripes/Circles) - base - 675 or so of each printed.

Those are fantastic - congrats!

[moosetequila]

Robbed of a 5th SO

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[NYRE2PECT]

No pitcher in the league wants 6 pitch rests - take some pitches ya knuckleheads.

[hammertime]

Hey guys this Ohtani fella is pretty good...think he's got one more inning in him?