Road to Glory: Blowout Dynasty League ($25 yearly)

[Bosox34]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

While I get why everyone gets frustrated….Hayes simply needs added to the team. Drop the lowest rostered player on his team and move forward. There is no real or reasonable way to ‘lottery’ a potential elite level talent.

That’s what I was thinking and maybe just sacrifice his minor league pick in the mid season draft

[Hollywood42]

I'm up for whatever, just think we should come to a rule that we can fall back on every time. Don't want to get into situations where we have to arbitrarily decide if a player is good enough to auto promote. Also becomes challenging with who to drop as a result

[Bosox34]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

I'm up for whatever, just think we should come to a rule that we can fall back on every time. Don't want to get into situations where we have to arbitrarily decide if a player is good enough to auto promote. Also becomes challenging with who to drop as a result

I agree, just didn’t think our current rules could withstand different scenarios. For example, what if it was Wander Franco who surpassed prospect limits and the owner didn’t promote/drop within a week. Would we still drop? Hayes isn’t an Acuña/Franco/Soto level player, but he’s still a very valuable piece in dynasty. I think there should be a punishment like losing a draft pick or losing waiver claim within the order. Curious to what other owners think should happen.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

I'm up for whatever, just think we should come to a rule that we can fall back on every time. Don't want to get into situations where we have to arbitrarily decide if a player is good enough to auto promote. Also becomes challenging with who to drop as a result

That is the part I'm afraid could get sticky, in theory this shouldn't happen often, but how do we decide which player should be dropped/added?

The more I think on it I get that the auto drop isn't fair.

Here is a proposal: We have to remember that if this situation happens this means a member is not being active at all.

- When a player goes of the limits, do a vote within the league if the player should be added or dropped with majority rules.
- If said player is voted to be added to the major league roster then the lowest rostered % is used and when considering this prospects that are stashed on rosters are excluded (most of them all have low rostered %'s)

This is where it gets tricky for what to do to have some sort of ramification fo r this situation, but here is my thought:

- the member involved has 2 weeks to make contact with the league to show that they are still somewhat engaged in the league, but life happened and this got put on the back burner ( this is not to say the owner has to tell everyone their business and explain why they were gone) In the event that no contact (whether here on the boards or other avenues) is made then said owner should be looked to be replaced pretty much automatically. ( I wish we could replace midseason but I understand)

- In the event that contact is made and the owner becomes active then I believe a loss of 1st round pick in the major drafts should be imposed.

I know some of this would need tweaked and probably sounds harsh, but I think we have to have something for these situations.

[Bosox34]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

That is the part I'm afraid could get sticky, in theory this shouldn't happen often, but how do we decide which player should be dropped/added?

The more I think on it I get that the auto drop isn't fair.

Here is a proposal: We have to remember that if this situation happens this means a member is not being active at all.

- When a player goes of the limits, do a vote within the league if the player should be added or dropped with majority rules.
- If said player is voted to be added to the major league roster then the lowest rostered % is used and when considering this prospects that are stashed on rosters are excluded (most of them all have low rostered %'s)

This is where it gets tricky for what to do to have some sort of ramification fo r this situation, but here is my thought:

- the member involved has 2 weeks to make contact with the league to show that they are still somewhat engaged in the league, but life happened and this got put on the back burner ( this is not to say the owner has to tell everyone their business and explain why they were gone) In the event that no contact (whether here on the boards or other avenues) is made then said owner should be looked to be replaced pretty much automatically. ( I wish we could replace midseason but I understand)

- In the event that contact is made and the owner becomes active then I believe a loss of 1st round pick in the major drafts should be imposed.

I know some of this would need tweaked and probably sounds harsh, but I think we have to have something for these situations.

I think this is a good solution

[Chris Lyle]

I have been in contact with Alex through text and he likes my suggestions also.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

I have been in contact with Alex through text and he likes my suggestions also.

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[Hollywood42]

That works, but I'd really prefer if we can come up with something without any need for votes, input from the team in question, selecting players to drop, and other if/else type things. It's a lot, lot easier when there's 1 set path you follow no matter what rather than it being a whole ordeal each time

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

That is the part I'm afraid could get sticky, in theory this shouldn't happen often, but how do we decide which player should be dropped/added?

The more I think on it I get that the auto drop isn't fair.

Here is a proposal: We have to remember that if this situation happens this means a member is not being active at all.

- When a player goes of the limits, do a vote within the league if the player should be added or dropped with majority rules.
- If said player is voted to be added to the major league roster then the lowest rostered % is used and when considering this prospects that are stashed on rosters are excluded (most of them all have low rostered %'s)

This is where it gets tricky for what to do to have some sort of ramification fo r this situation, but here is my thought:

- the member involved has 2 weeks to make contact with the league to show that they are still somewhat engaged in the league, but life happened and this got put on the back burner ( this is not to say the owner has to tell everyone their business and explain why they were gone) In the event that no contact (whether here on the boards or other avenues) is made then said owner should be looked to be replaced pretty much automatically. ( I wish we could replace midseason but I understand)

- In the event that contact is made and the owner becomes active then I believe a loss of 1st round pick in the major drafts should be imposed.

I know some of this would need tweaked and probably sounds harsh, but I think we have to have something for these situations.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

That works, but I'd really prefer if we can come up with something without any need for votes, input from the team in question, selecting players to drop, and other if/else type things. It's a lot, lot easier when there's 1 set path you follow no matter what rather than it being a whole ordeal each time

How do you decide if you add or drop a player then? This really doesn't happen often. In my mind its a fair way to keep a dead team as attractive as possible. If you go to auto add that's not fair in some cases. If you go to an auto drop thats not fair. So you have to add a little work to protect the integrity of the league

[Bosox34]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

How do you decide if you add or drop a player then? This really doesn't happen often. In my mind its a fair way to keep a dead team as attractive as possible. If you go to auto add that's not fair in some cases. If you go to an auto drop thats not fair. So you have to add a little work to protect the integrity of the league

I agree, I think it is very subjective. Austin Hays was the other prospect who had a similar situation and I don’t think we would’ve voted to add him as in this case. Maybe we should just auto-add every situation and drop the lowest % rostered non prospect.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Bosox34

I agree, I think it is very subjective. Austin Hays was the other prospect who had a similar situation and I don’t think we would’ve voted to add him as in this case. Maybe we should just auto-add every situation and drop the lowest % rostered non prospect.

I just dont think auto anything is fair. If you go by lowest percentage across the board then prospects will be lost unless you exclude them

[Hollywood42]

If there's not anything "auto", then it turns into a whole ordeal just like we're in now. I don't want to have to run a vote or try to figure out if someone is worthy of being added or dropped this time. I far prefer a set rule that requires no interpretation or branches. I don't claim to have the exact perfect plan, but by definition we're not going to have one since this whole route happens when someone doesn't follow the written rules

I also think we might be overblowing this a little bit. Yanks has never been one to post much, and I hear he hasn't been responsive to PMs lately, but honestly that's not really new. He's exactly middle of the pack in moves made this year, and ahead of myself, Dbacks, and Ray who I know all are very active. It's been 15 days since his last add/drop in the league, and yes he's over his allotted time to do something with Hayes, but his lineup also changed from today to yesterday. I'm not seeing this as an obviously abandoned team

Maybe that's the way to go about it. For cases where it's an obviously abandoned team where the owner hasn't been around at all and is showing no signs of coming back, that prospect is kept on their team however we decide and we replace at the end of the year. For non-abandonment cases, the prospect goes to waivers or however we want to do it

[Chris Lyle]

Ive plead my case and came up with a thought out process when asked only to be told im overblowing the situation. I will do whatever the group decides. My plan was based on the idea that some felt that the current way would not stand not just yanks.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

If there's not anything "auto", then it turns into a whole ordeal just like we're in now. I don't want to have to run a vote or try to figure out if someone is worthy of being added or dropped this time. I far prefer a set rule that requires no interpretation or branches. I don't claim to have the exact perfect plan, but by definition we're not going to have one since this whole route happens when someone doesn't follow the written rules

I also think we might be overblowing this a little bit. Yanks has never been one to post much, and I hear he hasn't been responsive to PMs lately, but honestly that's not really new. He's exactly middle of the pack in moves made this year, and ahead of myself, Dbacks, and Ray who I know all are very active. It's been 15 days since his last add/drop in the league, and yes he's over his allotted time to do something with Hayes, but his lineup also changed from today to yesterday. I'm not seeing this as an obviously abandoned team

Maybe that's the way to go about it. For cases where it's an obviously abandoned team where the owner hasn't been around at all and is showing no signs of coming back, that prospect is kept on their team however we decide and we replace at the end of the year. For non-abandonment cases, the prospect goes to waivers or however we want to do it

So for a non-abandoned team then we auto drop? Then we had a "ordeal" of how to handle who gets the player. And as Dbacks mentioned its only right that Hayes gwt added which if Yanks is active he is going to notice and we choose who to drop from his roster? If he is active with his team how is that right?

[Hollywood42]

I mean if we wanna make the rule that a prospect over limits is auto promoted after a week if not dropped, that's fine too

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

So for a non-abandoned team then we auto drop? Then we had a "ordeal" of how to handle who gets the player. And as Dbacks mentioned its only right that Hayes gwt added which if Yanks is active he is going to notice and we choose who to drop from his roster? If he is active with his team how is that right?

I certainly appreciate the solutioning, and yeah it's clear the current state isn't perfect. But I also don't think it's entirely fair or accurate to say Yanks has abandoned his team when he has an average number of adds/drops and has set his lineup as recently as today. Even if he's a no show here and with his prospect roster. All I'm saying

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Ive plead my case and came up with a thought out process when asked only to be told im overblowing the situation. I will do whatever the group decides. My plan was based on the idea that some felt that the current way would not stand not just yanks.

[Bosox34]

I think Lyle’s point about the drop being the lowest % roster player who is not a prospect is a big point though as many teams stash minor leaguers on their MLB rosters.

[Ray27Ray52]

The rules are clear and were agreed on when joining the league. You gave him until the 25th to promote or drop him. He hasn't done anything with him therefore he is dropped and goes to waivers. It isn't that complicated. It's not Hollywood's job to babysit everyone else's team.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

I mean if we wanna make the rule that a prospect over limits is auto promoted after a week if not dropped, that's fine too



I certainly appreciate the solutioning, and yeah it's clear the current state isn't perfect. But I also don't think it's entirely fair or accurate to say Yanks has abandoned his team when he has an average number of adds/drops and has set his lineup as recently as today. Even if he's a no show here and with his prospect roster. All I'm saying

I never said that Yanks has abandoned his team. That is even why in my plan I put 2 area's for abandoned team and for an owner where life happens, etc. and I also clearly stated this was based on the fact that others didn't like that Hayes in this case would just be dropped. This wasn't to single out Yanks my suggestion was in response to you and others saying that the rules seem a little left for help.

So I again if Yanks is keeping his line up and adding players he is going to notice if we choose someone to drop from his team and add Hayes? How is it right that we choose for him? But it's obvious that Hayes isn't one that should be dropped. The rule today is that Hayes should be dropped, but others say that is not right and there is merit to that. So what do we do?

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

The rules are clear and were agreed on when joining the league. You gave him until the 25th to promote or drop him. He hasn't done anything with him therefore he is dropped and goes to waivers. It isn't that complicated. It's not Hollywood's job to babysit everyone else's team.

I’d have to pump the breaks on that. Waivers i believe are set randomly, elite players shouldn’t be acquired by roll of the dice.

Reality is simple there shouldn’t be an auto drop, waiver add etc of any prospect because it can alter the landscape of the league without strategy.

There should be an add, or the prospect remains on waivers till a new owner is found or the original owner loses a draft pick.

It shouldn’t be a talking point but in FBB the season gets long and teams not performing check out.

[Ray27Ray52]

That's cool. I'm not changing my mind though. The rules are written and agreed upon. We've never changed a rule in the middle of the season (to my knowledge) and I don't think we should start that now.

I'd love to have Hayes on my team but I don't have a shot at him through waivers fwiw. It wouldn't matter to me either way though.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

That's cool. I'm not changing my mind though. The rules are written and agreed upon. We've never changed a rule in the middle of the season (to my knowledge) and I don't think we should start that now.

I'd love to have Hayes on my team but I don't have a shot at him through waivers fwiw. It wouldn't matter to me either way though.

I’d love Hayes on my team as well, possibly over Arenado, but if I were to acquire him I would want it to be through fair process.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

I’d love Hayes on my team as well, possibly over Arenado, but if I were to acquire him I would want it to be through fair process.

Most would like to have Hayes on their team I would have to say, but I get both sides of it right now:

A- Auto drop isn't right

B- Rules were set and we shouldn't be changing them

I am not sure where I land completely, but the rules were the rules. Yanks has been contacted through multiple PM's, emails through the league. Should we set the precedent of changing rules in the middle of the year when it's not completely necessary?

[Ray27Ray52]

I guess at the end of the day it's pretty simple for me... What you cannot do is take someone off of someone's major league team. No matter who it is. It doesn't matter if they are only rostered in 1% of all ESPN fantasy teams, all that matters is that they are on his team. For a reason presumably, whatever that reason may be. He actively drafted or added that player. It's not for us or the commissioner to decide who to remove.

But what you can do is enforce the rules. I don't need to cut and paste them. You can reference them on the 1st page. They are clear. You add a player to your major leagueroster once he is no longer eligible to be on your minor league roster or you lose them. It's really really not that difficult.

[Chris Lyle]

In other news with bringing in Correa I would like to move a bat or 2 for 1 great pitcher or a couple of middle guys with some upside.

[Hollywood42]

Waivers are set by reverse of draft order

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

I’d have to pump the breaks on that. Waivers i believe are set randomly, elite players shouldn’t be acquired by roll of the dice.

Reality is simple there shouldn’t be an auto drop, waiver add etc of any prospect because it can alter the landscape of the league without strategy.

There should be an add, or the prospect remains on waivers till a new owner is found or the original owner loses a draft pick.

It shouldn’t be a talking point but in FBB the season gets long and teams not performing check out.