Official 2024-25 NBA Season Thread

[bradjames12]

I'm not a Kyrie fan to put it mildly given his opinions on things...

But I absolutely love the fact Klay took a call from LeBron and shunned him

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Prefacing this as a bandwagon 12 year Warrior fan.

Absolutely hilarious that Klay is seemingly taking less money to go to Dallas after the Warriors offered far more AAV. Klay will always be a Warriors legend but it's laughable how he's acted. He wanted to continue to be paid for who he was instead of who he is even though the Warriors paid him for the past 5 years for who he once was. Normally I'd be on the players side but the Warriors showed him 'loyalty' already. They didn't owe him a thing.

I'm sure the Warriors would've done a $17 million AAV after offering $24 and him being 'insulted'. Hope Klay gets what he's looking for Basketball wise, but the Dallas fans won't give him much grace if he plays like he did last year.

I disagree.

You guys prioritised Wiggins and treated Klay like crap.

He got injured playing for you guys.

How out of touch are you?

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Pretty sure it comes down to playing time (and possibility of playing as a starter too) with the added bonus of a possible CHIP.

Klay fits them perfectly.

I'm surprised he went there to be honest. I hsve even more respect for him now.

The playing time definitely mattered. I thought he'd go to the Lakers.

Gotta wonder where that leaves LAL and GS. Both need big pieces to compete next season.

Melton is a nice get.
Bronny is too........

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

I disagree.

You guys prioritised Wiggins and treated Klay like crap.

He got injured playing for you guys.

How out of touch are you?

He got hurt and they paid him the 5 year max. You want them to just overpay him till he retires? They were already willing to do that but he wasn't happy with the number.

The Wiggins deal at the time looked like a bargain. It wasn't, Klay also wasn't even extension eligible at that point.

Klay has had an inferiority complex for the last several years and it makes sense. He's not the player he was and he can't accept it, but the Warriors don't owe him to sign him to a contract they know will be terrible. They already paid him for his past accomplishments while not being that player anymore. Klay got a reality check.

The only one who is ever out of touch is you.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

He got hurt and they paid him the 5 year max. You want them to just overpay him till he retires? They were already willing to do that but he wasn't happy with the number.

The Wiggins deal at the time looked like a bargain. It wasn't, Klay also wasn't even extension eligible at that point.

Klay has had an inferiority complex for the last several years and it makes sense. He's not the player he was and he can't accept it, but the Warriors don't owe him to sign him to a contract they know will be terrible. They already paid him for his past accomplishments while not being that player anymore. Klay got a reality check.

The only one who is ever out of touch is you.

Hahaha.

Man I disagree.

I think it's time for them to move on. It's not like GS did anything when Klay was injured anyway.

It clearly wasn't about money, but a role. And he's just joined a dude that will find him for a ton of open looks.

Should be fun for Dallas.

The question is, what will GS do next season?

They need a star badly.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Klay fits them perfectly.

I'm surprised he went there to be honest. I hsve even more respect for him now.

The playing time definitely mattered. I thought he'd go to the Lakers.

Gotta wonder where that leaves LAL and GS. Both need big pieces to compete next season.

Melton is a nice get.
Bronny is too........

Agreed. He was sidelined for a couple years and his NBA playing days are limited. He wants to play (and start).

I also thought it was more likely of him going to the Lakers because his father played for them and he owns a home in Dana Point (albeit OC, still in SoCal).

But the realistic possibility of a CHIP (and good system fit) must've been enticing.

Supposedly, the Dubs are making a run at Markannen.

[tjforce]

Do people still see Klay as a star?

At this point he's no different than a Bogdan Bogdanovic type roll player who will be a key asset in some areas but a liability in others.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Hahaha.

Man I disagree.

I think it's time for them to move on. It's not like GS did anything when Klay was injured anyway.

It clearly wasn't about money, but a role. And he's just joined a dude that will find him for a ton of open looks.

Should be fun for Dallas.

The question is, what will GS do next season?

They need a star badly.

Perhaps you're taking that as I would've liked to see him return to GS. I didn't, I just think his actions have been silly. If he decides to adapt closer to standing and waiting for open looks, he should do well, he did still shoot 39% from 3 last year, but if it's "time for Klay to get his shots up no matter how bad the look is" then it'll be more of the same.

Originally Posted by tjforce

Do people still see Klay as a star?

At this point he's no different than a Bogdan Bogdanovic type roll player who will be a key asset in some areas but a liability in others.

I think Klay still sees Klay as a star, but that's about it probably.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Do people still see Klay as a star?

At this point he's no different than a Bogdan Bogdanovic type roll player who will be a key asset in some areas but a liability in others.

He doesn't need to be a star in Dallas, they already have 2 of them.

And even in his current state, he's a damn good #3 (or #4, depending on how many shots PJ gets per game) option.

I'm just curious about their defensive strategy now. Luka/Kyrie/Klay (in current state) aren't real top-notch defenders.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Perhaps you're taking that as I would've liked to see him return to GS. I didn't, I just think his actions have been silly. If he decides to adapt closer to standing and waiting for open looks, he should do well, he did still shoot 39% from 3 last year, but if it's "time for Klay to get his shots up no matter how bad the look is" then it'll be more of the same.



I think Klay still sees Klay as a star, but that's about it probably.

Honestly though, with the current Mavs team, I expect him to have a pretty good season shooting-wise.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Honestly though, with the current Mavs team, I expect him to have a pretty good season shooting-wise.

Maybe. But I'm not sure there is reason to expect much difference unless the shot quality from Klay himself changes. He got great looks playing with Steph/Dray just like he'll get playing with Luka/Kyrie. It's about shot selection with him.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

He doesn't need to be a star in Dallas, they already have 2 of them.

And even in his current state, he's a damn good #3 (or #4, depending on how many shots PJ gets per game) option.

I'm just curious about their defensive strategy now. Luka/Kyrie/Klay (in current state) aren't real top-notch defenders.

A real consistent 18 a night from your third option that knows what it takes to win a title as a role player at a cheap price is an outstanding pickup.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Maybe. But I'm not sure there is reason to expect much difference unless the shot quality from Klay himself changes. He got great looks playing with Steph/Dray just like he'll get playing with Luka/Kyrie. It's about shot selection with him.

He'll get much better looks with the Mavs because Luka/Kyrie will draw significant attention (basically playing with 2 Currys) so his overall shot quality will improve.

Last season, he had to force a lot of stuff because the Dubs' only reliable player was Curry. Wiggins/Kuminga were inconsistent so them + Klay were forcing a lot of bad shots (probably didn't help that non-Curry/Draymond ball movement sucked).

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

A real consistent 18 a night from your third option that knows what it takes to win a title as a role player at a cheap price is an outstanding pickup.

100% agreed.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

A real consistent 18 a night from your third option that knows what it takes to win a title as a role player at a cheap price is an outstanding pickup.

Sure it is... but is it much different than Bogdan Bogdanovich?

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

He'll get much better looks with the Mavs because Luka/Kyrie will draw significant attention (basically playing with 2 Currys) so his overall shot quality will improve.

Last season, he had to force a lot of stuff because the Dubs' only reliable player was Curry. Wiggins/Kuminga were inconsistent so them + Klay were forcing a lot of bad shots (probably didn't help that non-Curry/Draymond ball movement sucked).

Can't do it, sorry. Know you watch the Warriors, but Klay was forcing up shots not out of need but because that's what he's always done, he just isn't able to create as much room anymore. He got plenty of terrific shots playing with the best shooter of all-time. Let's not act like he was playing on the Pistons.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Sure it is... but is it much different than Bogdan Bogdanovich?

Absolutely.

Those 18 points will come from 6 made shots as opposed to 7-8. Those are 1-2 extra shots that can be attempted by Luka/Kyrie (for another 4-6 points).

Bam.

[gomiamigo]

Klay is a traffic cone on D at this point. Just like Luka.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Absolutely.

Those 18 points will come from 6 made shots as opposed to 7-8. Those are 1-2 extra shots that can be attempted by Luka/Kyrie (for another 4-6 points).

Bam.

Lets see:

Klay scored 17.9 on 14.7 shots per game: 1.22 Points per shot

Bogdan scored 16.9 on 13.9 shots per game: 1.22 Points per shot

Klay turned it over 1.5 times per game, Bogdan 1.4 times.

Klay had 2.3 assists per game, Bogdan 3.1.

I don't think your math adds up here. Where's the extra shots that Bogdan costs you?

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

We will see if his game and health improve during his 34-38 year old range.

Strawmen are easy to knock down. Nobody has ever said his health nor talent is going to improve in the next 4 years. Such comments are beneath you, honestly.

People seem to have forgotten how talented PG is and how much of an upgrade over terrible Tobias, as well as how he will be a perfect fit btw Maxey and Embiid, neither of whom can defend wing players on the perimeter.

And there were literally no other good FAs left. You don't win a title with extra cap space and no starters.

76ers have McCain + 4 other first round picks to acquire more veteran talent if need be.

Vegas has already made them the 3rd fave [tied with OKC] for the title, so the people that do this for a living like the move.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Sure it is... but is it much different than Bogdan Bogdanovich?

Bogdans shooting gravity isn't even in the same universe as Klay, even now

[gomiamigo]

Hartenstein is a deece player, seems like an overpay.

Quickley getting 175m was crazy.

[asujbl]

I hate the Warriors as much as anyone on the planet (and that includes their players… as irrational as that is)

This was a home run by Dallas

It’s all context. Blowout lacks that 99 times out of 100

Stand there are shoot. That’s all this is. Dallas has money

How else would you have spent the money? I have yet to see a “here’s what I would have done” post

I love overpays until you realize it’s just sitting there. Spend it on someone. It’s billionaire money

And yes I am well aware of how the cap works. I became quite educated in the LeBron years

Good for the Mavs

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by asujbl

I hate the Warriors as much as anyone on the planet (and that includes their players… as irrational as that is)

This was a home run by Dallas

It’s all context. Blowout lacks that 99 times out of 100

Stand there are shoot. That’s all this is. Dallas has money

How else would you have spent the money? I have yet to see a “here’s what I would have done” post

I love overpays until you realize it’s just sitting there. Spend it on someone. It’s billionaire money

Good for the Mavs

You watch Klay play last season?

Draymond has literally said on his podcast that if you don't get Klay the ball to his liking when he finally gets it he'll take the shot no matter how bad it is.

Home run.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

You watch Klay play last season?

Draymond has literally said on his podcast that if you don't get Klay the ball to his liking when he finally gets it he'll take the shot no matter how bad it is.

Home run.

I know. Home run

The fact that Draymond has a podcast that you listen to is far more concerning

It’s almost like you’ve been banging him since you were at MSU together