2023 Allen & Ginter Thread!

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by Hockey24xx

I just finished my rip of 10 cases. What questions do you have?

I’ve read your posts and appreciate them.

Brent used to rip 30-40 cases and post pretty strong details over the course of several weeks.

[YouTheManNick]

Originally Posted by Hockey24xx

I just finished my rip of 10 cases. What questions do you have?

Can you post pictures or a written recap of the highlights?

Did you (or are you gonna) rip the rip cards?

[Rememberthepast]

Originally Posted by Hockey24xx

I just finished my rip of 10 cases. What questions do you have?

Which insert sets are the toughest to easiest to complete? Any double rip cards?

[bub838]

Originally Posted by RedLabelRecords

I ran into the card person for target today. I asked what happens with the blasters they just can’t sell, and she said they get sent back to Topps. I’ve personally never seen anything Topps on clearance.

Walmart & Meijer by me have had 22 Ginter, 22 Heritage High and 22 Bowman Plat all on sale recently.

[Gthompson1978]

Originally Posted by bub838

Walmart & Meijer by me have had 22 Ginter, 22 Heritage High and 22 Bowman Plat all on sale recently.

I forgot about those too

[Hockey24xx]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

I’ve read your posts and appreciate them.

Brent used to rip 30-40 cases and post pretty strong details over the course of several weeks.

A brief overview of 10 cases:

16 in action variations
4 triple rips - Griffey, Greinke, Witt, Alcantara
1 double rip - Turner/Harper /17
17 single rips
1 glossy mini 1/1 (Bomani Jones)
5 stained glass minis
5 brooklyn back minis /25
1 hidden gems SSP - Jazz Chisholm
99 oversized boxloaders
12 N43 boxloaders
5 boxes missing boxloaders
143 silver filigree borders
3 cloth minis /10
2 printing plate minis
3 black border autos - zito, eckstein, Moises Lopez
23 framed mini baseball autos
33 framed mini non-baseball autos
60 framed mini relics

[Rememberthepast]

Originally Posted by Hockey24xx

A brief overview of 10 cases:

16 in action variations
4 triple rips - Griffey, Greinke, Witt, Alcantara
1 double rip - Turner/Harper /17
17 single rips
1 glossy mini 1/1 (Bomani Jones)
5 stained glass minis
5 brooklyn back minis /25
1 hidden gems SSP - Jazz Chisholm
99 oversized boxloaders
12 N43 boxloaders
5 boxes missing boxloaders
143 silver filigree borders
3 cloth minis /10
2 printing plate minis
3 black border autos - zito, eckstein, Moises Lopez
23 framed mini baseball autos
33 framed mini non-baseball autos
60 framed mini relics

Interesting only one double RIP. Looking forward to seeing if they are all low numbered.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by Hockey24xx

A brief overview of 10 cases:

16 in action variations
4 triple rips - Griffey, Greinke, Witt, Alcantara
1 double rip - Turner/Harper /17
17 single rips
1 glossy mini 1/1 (Bomani Jones)
5 stained glass minis
5 brooklyn back minis /25
1 hidden gems SSP - Jazz Chisholm
99 oversized boxloaders
12 N43 boxloaders
5 boxes missing boxloaders
143 silver filigree borders
3 cloth minis /10
2 printing plate minis
3 black border autos - zito, eckstein, Moises Lopez
23 framed mini baseball autos
33 framed mini non-baseball autos
60 framed mini relics

Thank you for that.

[Mister2Bits]

Have the day off and I was gonna go run and grab a box. Sounds like I'll be better off buying a few singles. Thanks to all of you for the details.

I have Brooklyn back mini PCs for every player I collect. Massively bummed about the hand numbering on the front. Whhhhhyyyyyyyy!?!?!?

[Rememberthepast]

Let’s speculate on the rarity of Filigree and In Action cards.

If there are 30,000 cases produced (honestly no idea) that’s 360,000 hobby boxes.

-Filigree at 1 per box gets you 900 total per card (360,000/400).
-In Action at 2 per case gets you 1,200 total per card (60,000/50).

[bub838]

My enthusiasm for buying a case of this is falling

[DarcyWinston]

So Fanatics latest schtick is to severely limit double and triple rip cards? Bold strategy seeing these are the most popular aspect of this release. Single Rips /199 is a big negative also.

[Rememberthepast]

Originally Posted by DarcyWinston

So Fanatics latest schtick is to severely limit double and triple rip cards? Bold strategy seeing these are the most popular aspect of this release. Single Rips /199 is a big negative also.

I’ve seen or heard single RIPs from /21, /45, /49, /99, /135, /199

[kyleuk21]

Originally Posted by DarcyWinston

So Fanatics latest schtick is to severely limit double and triple rip cards? Bold strategy seeing these are the most popular aspect of this release. Single Rips /199 is a big negative also.

I don't think the triple rip cards are any rarer than normal, right? Roughly 1/2 cases.

I don't like the single rips being /199, but I do like the fact that they are making lesser print runs of some players like they used to. Rip cards were more collectable back in the day when they SSP'd the biggest names and SP'd some other solid names. Same with the double rip cards. Having double rips more exclusive back then made them more collectable. They made them far less exclusive in recent years to where they were mostly just worth 2x a single rip card.

The hand-numbering on the front of the minis totally sucks, though. Completely takes away from the card. They did that part right for 17 years. Why change it now?

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by DarcyWinston

So Fanatics latest schtick is to severely limit double and triple rip cards? Bold strategy seeing these are the most popular aspect of this release. Single Rips /199 is a big negative also.

So you want more triple and double but then say having more single is bad?

You want more but want less? Just so I understand correctly.

[DarcyWinston]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

So you want more triple and double but then say having more single is bad?

You want more but want less? Just so I understand correctly.

Per the cases broken and disclosed here, you’re still only getting 2 rips per case - triples are box loaders I consider bonus hits. Why limit double rips which have sold real well in the past? Fanatics is trying to imply rips are easier to get at /199 per player but it’s just camouflaging a massive increase in production. Now if each player has a different production run that’s uncharted territory.

[cj828282]

Odds posted: https://www.topps.com/media/pdf/odds...seballOdds.pdf

[Hockey24xx]

Originally Posted by DarcyWinston

Per the cases broken and disclosed here, you’re still only getting 2 rips per case - triples are box loaders I consider bonus hits. Why limit double rips which have sold real well in the past? Fanatics is trying to imply rips are easier to get at /199 per player but it’s just camouflaging a massive increase in production. Now if each player has a different production run that’s uncharted territory.

Of my 17 single rip cards 13 are /199 4 are /99

/199 = Guerrero Jr, F. Alavarez, Alonso, O. Cruz, Oswaldo Cabrera, McClanahan, Correa x2, Waters, Kirby, Tucker, Jung, Bleday

/99 = Verlander, Randy Johnson, G. Cole, Mussina

[cj828282]

Fanatics has two products that appear to be both hobby boxes except for a $40 price difference. Assuming one is the retail box that has the incorrect picture.

[lambeauleap87]

Do what you will with this info, but the first Meek Mill auto to pop looks nothing like (most) of his Leaf autos - which all look nothing like his JSA/PSA stuff.



Compared to everything else: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...+psa&_osacat=0

[cj828282]

An FYI: The Ginter X odds are baked into the regular Ginter odds online. So the silver mini 1/1 is 1 per 15 boxes. Should be easy to calculate the PR.

[marlinsfan9108]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

Do what you will with this info, but the first Meek Mill auto to pop looks nothing like (most) of his Leaf autos - which all look nothing like his JSA/PSA stuff.



Compared to everything else: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...+psa&_osacat=0

I don’t claim to know anything about his autos, but I’d feel a lot more confident in these considering his relationship with Rubin than whatever Leaf spews out

[illadelf]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

Do what you will with this info, but the first Meek Mill auto to pop looks nothing like (most) of his Leaf autos - which all look nothing like his JSA/PSA stuff.



Compared to everything else: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...+psa&_osacat=0

I’m not an autograph expert like some of the guys on here but looks good to me. Not a lot of space to sign on those minis.


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[lambeauleap87]

Originally Posted by marlinsfan9108

I don’t claim to know anything about his autos, but I’d feel a lot more confident in these considering his relationship with Rubin than whatever Leaf spews out

I'll be curious to see if there are variations once a few more pop up - there are a couple Leaf autos that are a fuller version of that red ink (see below), but there's no way all the Leaf autos were signed by Meek, IMO.

[Promethius88]

Who the hell is Meek Mill?