Potential Worth of Soccer Cards as Market Grows

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Haha yes it goes without saying that the player must be iconic. I was speaking more about specific cards. Again, I think Mbappe is a very wise investment given current prices.

Will he skyrocket into Messi and Ronaldo’s level of fame? I would say this is highly unlikely, but then again who will? I would say he’s off to more than just a promising start. To say otherwise is simply denying reality.

It’s easy to criticize young players and say what they haven’t accomplished, that’s why collectors and investors look at what kind of career they may be projected to have. It’s like comparing all basketball players to Jordan in their first few seasons, OF COURSE they don’t have the same resume.

Again, we don’t have a crystal ball, but indications of stardom are very strong with this one!


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Perhaps....but the problem with the way the card market works these days is that his prices are already at such a high point, that unless he becomes the next Messi/CR7, people buying now are eventually going to lose a lot of money.

All you have to do is to look at the prices of past superstars once their career ends or the spotlight moves on to the next hot prospect.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Perhaps....but the problem with the way the card market works these days is that his prices are already at such a high point, that unless he becomes the next Messi/CR7, people buying now are eventually going to lose a lot of money.

All you have to do is to look at the prices of past superstars once their career ends or the spotlight moves on to the next hot prospect.

I think you are right in the case of the low numbered parallels of Mbappe. There is some SERIOUS cash being thrown down. If he doesn’t translate into a megastar, there will be significant dollars lost there.

I think in contrast however, his premium base offerings even in PSA 10 or BGS 9.5 are very reasonable with the potential to double or triple quite easily with a few consecutive years of high quality performance from Mbappe. These are more appealing to me, but I must admit that I’m somewhat of a low risk, medium reward guy due to my bank account.

But yeah, Interesting takeaway from looking at eBay sales, I do see some significant polarity in the high end stuff compared to his base offerings even at high graded. It’s like the high rollers want to throw it all down on the best of the best and not waste any time on buying up quantity. That’s where the cheapskates like me come in haha.


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[Akphillips86]

On Fati, I would recommend both Megacracks and Obsidian over Topps Now. I seriously doubt the continued appreciation of Topps Now RCs and ever being perceived as iconic and highly desirable. The Haaland Topps Now may be somewhat of an exception because there was such a feeding frenzy for any rookie card of him and Topps Now was the best choice at the time. Just wait until the chrome releases .


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[fadster]

Out of curiosity what do you guys think of
a) "stickers" that aren't auto-adhesive, ie you have to manually stick them into an album
b) cards that are designed to be stuck into albums
c) cards of differing sizes, eg cigarette, mini, stamp size, etc
d) cards of differing shapes, eg square, circular

[fadster]

There's a false logical leap somewhere that the TC, Select and Prizm are valuable therefore they must be rookies. It's perfectly OK for them to have demand and value in their own right, look at early 60's Pele's, Maradonas 2nd and 3rd year issue, they all do well but aren't considered rookies. 99% of rookies come from the earliest pro season with an issue from a major manufacturer, the 16/17 Mbappe is clearly this card . The multiple rookie cards only comes into play when there are multiple issues in the year which is not the case here, there are very few debates out there spanning across seasons. Where there exceptions are eg Star Basketball, it's usually for a specific reason.

Rookie specific soccer collectors, which is still a massive driver of the soccer market despite the new prizm/TC influx, will always go for the 16/17 Mbappe as if you skipped stickers you wouldn't have much of a collection. Of course when there are cards and stickers from the same season everyone will prefer the card. Like someone mentioned earlier I don't know why so many new collectors have chosen the Mbappe hill to die and keep bringing it up instead of leaving people to collect whatever they want.

On Mbappe himself I think he's clearly best placed to be the man but I don't know how high his ceiling is. He needs to be kicking on these next couple of seasons, a UCL, or Ballon d'Or or starring at the European championships is the minimum he needs to start justifying his prices. To do that he basically has to write himself into the story of football over the next decade. We have been ridiculously spoiled to arguably have two of the top 4 players of all time going head to head but we can't expect to have someone of that level the whole time. Personally I think he can be a top 10 player like the original Ronaldo but he might have to move to achieve that.

[bloomie6]

I just pulled the Havertz 1-1 rated rookie 18/19 Donruss.
I don't know a ton about his background, is he any good (potential?)
TIA

[Raj3sh]

Originally Posted by bloomie6

I just pulled the Havertz 1-1 rated rookie 18/19 Donruss.
I don't know a ton about his background, is he any good (potential?)
TIA

He is a very good player, if he moves to a bigger club next season his prices can improve a lot. already linked with some big clubs.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by bloomie6

I just pulled the Havertz 1-1 rated rookie 18/19 Donruss.
I don't know a ton about his background, is he any good (potential?)
TIA

Congrats! That’s an awesome pull! Yes, as someone already pointed out Havertz is an immensely talented player with his best years ahead of him. There’s a lot of buzz about which club will scoop him up, but it sounds inevitable that a major club will land him. He is currently one of the most if not THE most underrated buys on the market right now. Hold on to that 1/1 for a bit and congratulations!


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[AsianBrizz]

Originally Posted by bloomie6

I just pulled the Havertz 1-1 rated rookie 18/19 Donruss.
I don't know a ton about his background, is he any good (potential?)
TIA

That's a great card, but you should know that though the card says "rookie", it's not actually his rookie. He had a 2016 Topps Match Attax card released in Germany. He also had 2017 cards...so although your 1/1 is a great card, it's his 3rd year card.

[bloomie6]

Originally Posted by AsianBrizz

That's a great card, but you should know that though the card says "rookie", it's not actually his rookie. He had a 2016 Topps Match Attax card released in Germany. He also had 2017 cards...so although your 1/1 is a great card, it's his 3rd year card.

Ok thanks
Are any of his other “earlier” cards #’d?
What will his “must have” high end card that is not just a base?

[bloomie6]

Originally Posted by bloomie6

I just pulled the Havertz 1-1 rated rookie 18/19 Donruss.
I don't know a ton about his background, is he any good (potential?)
TIA

I was gonna hold long term but decided to let it go on feebay... $2,150

I think I could’ve got more but I’m buying more wax to rip with the kids...

It’s a fun activity while everyone’s stuck at home

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by bloomie6

I was gonna hold long term but decided to let it go on feebay... $2,150

I think I could’ve got more but I’m buying more wax to rip with the kids...

It’s a fun activity while everyone’s stuck at home

Awesome card, but can’t say I blame you for 2 grand! I personally think Havertz is a great investment, but it’s hard to turn that down that kind of money on a player who has yet to establish a legacy.


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[Dizz86]

Some good comments in posts above.

-"high price of TC, PRIZM,Select, doesn't mean that those are rookies."
Here I had to agree. There were set some rules in the last 50 years in other sports of what the 'true rookie card' is. Actual situation doesn't follow this, at least now. Old timers will continue collect as they were used to, and young blood will be building their collection of cards of first appearance of the player on the PRIZM/Chrome product. If somebody would show me his soccer rookie collection, and there will be Mbappe Prizm, I will always explain to him that it is not a rookie, but that is his first PRIZM card.

-compare Brady rookies to Mbappe is not good example. Brady was drafted from last round, those were trash cards, nobody cared. His rookies rise to heaven after he won 5th SB. So he proven something, Mbappe not yet. Lebron is a different story, there the comment is right, everyone expected that he will be 'next jordan', same as for Mbappe, and even the rookies started high, they were able to raise till today (not always, if he wouldn't win with Cleveland, there would not be a bump, so still some achievements are needed during the carrier).

-"collecting is changing and market is dictating value" - true and always be, but we need to remain to call the things with the real names as those are. We will see if people will continue to rather spent 600$ on PRIZM Mbappe /65 or Ronaldo Flawless on card auto with sole pieces (that was price even 1 year after the release).

Another idea to think about:
-it is 2020, and Mbappes cards from 2018 started to raise just now. Why? why not right after WC2018, where he won.
Answer should be: because market dictates so, but still why. Probably because somebody respected told so, or there were some scammed sells at the start, or people got inspired from PRIZM prices in NBA/NFL... ) all risky assumptions, soccer is different then NBA/NFL...

I know I am not 100% right, probably not even 75%, but I like discussion and it will definitely help some collectors.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by Dizz86

Some good comments in posts above.

-"high price of TC, PRIZM,Select, doesn't mean that those are rookies."
Here I had to agree. There were set some rules in the last 50 years in other sports of what the 'true rookie card' is. Actual situation doesn't follow this, at least now. Old timers will continue collect as they were used to, and young blood will be building their collection of cards of first appearance of the player on the PRIZM/Chrome product. If somebody would show me his soccer rookie collection, and there will be Mbappe Prizm, I will always explain to him that it is not a rookie, but that is his first PRIZM card.

-compare Brady rookies to Mbappe is not good example. Brady was drafted from last round, those were trash cards, nobody cared. His rookies rise to heaven after he won 5th SB. So he proven something, Mbappe not yet. Lebron is a different story, there the comment is right, everyone expected that he will be 'next jordan', same as for Mbappe, and even the rookies started high, they were able to raise till today (not always, if he wouldn't win with Cleveland, there would not be a bump, so still some achievements are needed during the carrier).

-"collecting is changing and market is dictating value" - true and always be, but we need to remain to call the things with the real names as those are. We will see if people will continue to rather spent 600$ on PRIZM Mbappe /65 or Ronaldo Flawless on card auto with sole pieces (that was price even 1 year after the release).

Another idea to think about:
-it is 2020, and Mbappes cards from 2018 started to raise just now. Why? why not right after WC2018, where he won.
Answer should be: because market dictates so, but still why. Probably because somebody respected told so, or there were some scammed sells at the start, or people got inspired from PRIZM prices in NBA/NFL... ) all risky assumptions, soccer is different then NBA/NFL...

I know I am not 100% right, probably not even 75%, but I like discussion and it will definitely help some collectors.

I like all of the discussion around these topics as well, regardless of what side you land on. The market is definitely evolving, and new rules keep being created by the collective market as to what is deemed valuable. I think the major reasons for Mbappe’s rise are the following:

His consistent quality performance and prolific goal scoring (he certainly isn’t just a flash in the pan), the perception by many of Mbappe becoming the next top dog after Messi and CR7 exit the scene, the rise of the sports card market in general, the recent recognition of soccer as an extremely undervalued market, and (sigh) Gary Vee as much as he annoys me personally.

I think ALOT of collectors wait until they see the crowd go all in on someone and the frenzy keeps escalating. I try to stay ahead of these waves as much as possible and have been fairly successful thus far (apologies for the back patting moment). I honestly bought Mbappe at less than half of what he’s currently selling for and to me that is definitely money well spent. We shall see what the future holds for him.

Also, as someone else pointed out, don’t underestimate Jadon Sancho. I know the kid is certainly hyped, but he is hyped for good reason. His skill is phenomenal (watch some highlights on YouTube and it will make you want to buy up everything you see) and if you don’t buy him now before he (like Havertz) upgrades his club status, the buy in could be much more painful. That is, of course, if the card market in general stays hot after this global pandemic. I’m optimistic for recovery, but it will depend almost as much on sports resuming as the market rebounding.


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[KhalDrogo]

For those of you who collect sports other than soccer, it's pretty easy to understand why Prizm and TC are catching big $$$ now.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

For those of you who collect sports other than soccer, it's pretty easy to understand why Prizm and TC are catching big $$$ now.

TRUTH


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[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

For those of you who collect sports other than soccer, it's pretty easy to understand why Prizm and TC are catching big $$$ now.

And that's the main problem we have here. Everyone who has collected soccer knows that stickers were always the ones to get.

But with the globalization of sports memorabilia, more and more people will come into the soccer world from other sports. And those people don't really care about stickers, they want cards.

The Mbappe thing is not ridiculous at all. His TC/Prizm RC are around $40. Select is around $30. What other major superstar have card RCs? Most of the guys playing were too "old" for those cards to be considered RC. Mbappe is one of the candidates to take over Messi/CR7 AND he has what can be considered a true RC.

[IndySportsCards]

Havertz 1-1 rated rookie

like him. If you're selling pm me

[Jeff1970Red]

Typically, the market determines the rookie card or most desirable. I’ve been collecting since the 70’s and have many minor league cards (baseball) that have never been considered the desirable cards. They are the first cards printed, many at low print levels, but aren’t recognized as “rookies”.

Donruss made the right move in the 2018-19 set by adding the rated rookie label, that along with a terrific group of young players provides the spring board for Soccer releases going forward. 2019-20 looks very promising.

That said, I like the stickers & will continue collecting them. There is plenty of room in my collection for both stickers & cards.

[nera20]

how is 2018-19 donruss? just curious was thinking of a hobby case

[bloomie6]

Originally Posted by nera20

how is 2018-19 donruss? just curious was thinking of a hobby case

Just opened a case with my 10 year old son.
It was a blast (lots of color, autos etc...)
Highly recommend if you can find a case
I’m sitting on another sealed case but doubt I can hold off opening it...lol

[nera20]

Originally Posted by bloomie6

Just opened a case with my 10 year old son.
It was a blast (lots of color, autos etc...)
Highly recommend if you can find a case
I’m sitting on another sealed case but doubt I can hold off opening it...lol

i canget a case just not sure of price

[bloomie6]

Originally Posted by nera20

i canget a case just not sure of price

I got one for 900 and the 2nd one for 1100
Not sure prices now

[GrangerCollectr]

If you can get a case for around $100 per box or in the $1,200 range then that is still a good price. Highly recommend it!

[nera20]

Originally Posted by GrangerCollectr

If you can get a case for around $100 per box or in the $1,200 range then that is still a good price. Highly recommend it!

ok cool i enjoy ripping oddball stuff is the bigger rookies in the sancho and mbappe? i have been trying to research just trying to get a little help and it seems like the optic adds some great value